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Secrets of playboy documentary
It’s on AE channel and the app, you can watch it for free. Did anyone else see it?
Playboy was always kind of odd to me. Because Hugh Hefner was basically a porn producer that was too good for porn. He tried to separate himself so much from the adult industry and wanted his magazine to be “classy”. Maybe it was classier in the early days of playboy, but i never heard anyone talk highly about it as something other than a porn mag. He tried to act like he was so much better than everyone else when his whole world at the mansion was so depraved and gross (I’m only 2 seasons in so I think it gets worse!) I felt bad for the little girl who was living there with her father. Like, why the hell would you bring your child into that? Although I think a lot of the women who wanted to be there did just wanna party and didn’t care either . I mean, I’m sure they weren’t all victims.
I am happy that we are living in a time that girls are taking their power back with making their own content. I’m also happy for holly Madison who was able to make a career off of that. If it weren’t for E! Giving them that show, I don’t think those girls would be where they are now. The “girls next door” never got paid for their first season, and I’ve heard from other people that a lot of playboy gigs never really paid anything unless you were a celebrity.
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they were once part of Spice catalog, which was porn, it may have been soft or cable.. They also sold toys
I'd like to see that, I do watch GND, Holly's you tube, etc
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whirlerz
they were once part of Spice catalog, which was porn, it may have been soft or cable.. They also sold toys
I'd like to see that, I do watch GND, Holly's you tube, etc
I mean they were a part of porn definetly they had the cable channel and everything back in the day, I’m saying they were known for not hiring strippers/porn stars to be in the magazine. I love holly Madison too she’s still gorgeous and smart. I’m interested to hear what the younger Hugh Hefner was like and the scandals at the playboy clubs. I think they are trying to change their image now.
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I used to be very impressed with Hugh Hefner until I read a lot more about his hypocrisy as far as forbidding his girlfriends to date other guys, while he banged everything that moved. That's not sexual freedom, not for the women.
Plus if some of all the many women who previously idolized him read some of the things people witnessed at the mansion, they'd want to draw and quarter him instead of kissing his now dead ass.
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you cant put Hef in his youth or at the Mansion and hold it against today.
Standards and the way people perceive things are completely different than they were when he grew up. Playboy always was classier than the other magazines due to his rule of no open crotch pictures like Hustler and the others were famous for.
for his era, He held the world in his hands and it wasnt by doing porn or stooping to Flynts level. Hate him now or love him but his vision in his heyday was a class above all the rest.
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The stuff going on at the mansion, which apparently also involved animals and women being drugged were not classy. But yes, the magazine was I’m sure.
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The stuff at the Mansion was outrageous im sure, but then again so was Studio 54 the entire time it was open as well. Both things another time and era. Its hard to look at things decades in the past and put it in proper perspective.
And yes the Magazine and the clubs were top of the line.
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Ooh I gotta get the ap so I can watch it. I knew it was coming out but assumed I'd have no way to watch it. I'm glad they're getting exposed, I remember when Holly first came out with her exposé she got slammed for being a liar and an opportunist and I thought that was weird because she was basically saying that he was a gross old pervert and I wasn't aware that people actually perceived him as anything else.
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Right ...
Rich dude moves women 1/3 his age into his house and films it.
Totally something a not creepy not pervy guy would do haha.
It’s all the “ class “.
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Ooh I gotta get the ap so I can watch it. I knew it was coming out but assumed I'd have no way to watch it. I'm glad they're getting exposed, I remember when Holly first came out with her exposé she got slammed for being a liar and an opportunist and I thought that was weird because she was basically saying that he was a gross old pervert and I wasn't aware that people actually perceived him as anything else.
So many people jerked off to that magazine that’s why lol! I mean, he can’t just tell his side we gotta see the other side too. And I’m sure there’s still things they left out of it. Entertaining for sure.
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The stuff at the Mansion was outrageous im sure, but then again so was Studio 54 the entire time it was open as well. Both things another time and era. Its hard to look at things decades in the past and put it in proper perspective.
And yes the Magazine and the clubs were top of the line.
So the owner of Studio 54 had his female employees fucking dogs out on the dance floor? :rotfl:
Just give it up man.
He was cool, for his era, for about the first 10 years maybe.
Then the power went right to his head and he started in with the extremely restrictive rules on the women, while he and a very few select males--like OJ Simpson and Bill Cosby, those stellar models of masculine virtue who were both very popular at the Mansion--got to do whatever the fuck they wanted. At this point he ceased being a champion of 'Sexual Freedom', and became the colossal douchebag of the 20th century. Then in another 20-30 years, a disgusting old pervert drooling on the 18-19 year old women he kept under virtual lock and key.
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OmegaWest
The stuff at the Mansion was outrageous im sure, but then again so was Studio 54 the entire time it was open as well. Both things another time and era. Its hard to look at things decades in the past and put it in proper perspective.
And yes the Magazine and the clubs were top of the line.
It annoys me when people say, “it was the times/decade/era” because the extreme deviant stuff was not the norm for the average person. I’m sure people back then would’ve been horrified by this stuff , that’s why they covered it up. He was trying to portray an image of something that he wasn’t. That’s what’s scandalous about it. Guys like Larry Flynt and all the porn guys from that era never pretended to be a “gentleman”.
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you cant put Hef in his youth or at the Mansion and hold it against today.
Standards and the way people perceive things are completely different than they were when he grew up. Playboy always was classier than the other magazines due to his rule of no open crotch pictures like Hustler and the others were famous for.
for his era, He held the world in his hands and it wasnt by doing porn or stooping to Flynts level. Hate him now or love him but his vision in his heyday was a class above all the rest.
Was the class part of him & Bill Cosby dropping pills into girls drinks to make them more easily to rape?
Was it classy to pay the models next to nothing while he made millions?
To say he wasn't doing porn when every magazine was filled with nudity is you being in denial. People saw it as porn back then too.
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The stuff at the Mansion was outrageous im sure, but then again so was Studio 54 the entire time it was open as well. Both things another time and era. Its hard to look at things decades in the past and put it in proper perspective.
And yes the Magazine and the clubs were top of the line.
Taking financial, sexual advantage of women doesn't have a time & era. Either it is right or wrong, he had a good publicity team and horrible social norms at that time because men held all the power that said it was okay.
Let's not forget that there were many who spoke up & against his magazines & clubs as being sexist & bad. How he was taking advantage of those young women from day one. Many men did idolize him for decades & some still do. Of which none of them even took into consideration of how the women were being underpaid or sexually harassed or worse.
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Ever since Hollys book came out my eyes have been opened to who Hugh Hefner may actually be and what was happening behind closed doors. When he died he was still so glorified. I’m glad the doc series is coming out and this time he isn’t here to silence it. Maybe people will finally open their eyes and stop praising a predator. Even today the playboy brand of clothing has become popular in gen z clothing trends and it makes me sick to see young women with the logo of a toxic abusive person all over themselves. Young boys looked up to Hef and thought he was a god. It’s sick how he still has the world brainwashed
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I mean they were a part of porn definetly they had the cable channel and everything back in the day, I’m saying they were known for not hiring strippers/porn stars to be in the magazine. I love holly Madison too she’s still gorgeous and smart. I’m interested to hear what the younger Hugh Hefner was like and the scandals at the playboy clubs. I think they are trying to change their image now.
The magazine was started in 1953 when TV was still new, and there was no cable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playboy
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OmegaWest
you cant put Hef in his youth or at the Mansion and hold it against today.
Standards and the way people perceive things are completely different than they were when he grew up. Playboy always was classier than the other magazines due to his rule of no open crotch pictures like Hustler and the others were famous for.
for his era, He held the world in his hands and it wasnt by doing porn or stooping to Flynts level. Hate him now or love him but his vision in his heyday was a class above all the rest.
Rape was never acceptable.
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He also had a show on tv back then as well in the 1950/60s that portrayed him as a sophisticated gentleman. I didn’t even know that until I saw the documentary.
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Just some musings and observations :
I watched the first two episodes and I will watch the other ones. I don't see it as a "hit piece " per se but it definitely has a pov.
It is hard for me to have sympathy for Holly and Sondra. Both liked being Hef's gf at the time. Like many of his other gf's both left AFTER they FINALLY realized that Hef was not going to marry them. Now both seem to have some regrets and blame Hef and not themselves. Holly is a multi-millionaire who had a successful show AFTER the GND and wrote a best selling tell all book. Am I the only one who noticed her cutesy "goody two shoes" outfit while she was being interviewed. Like she was trying to pretend to be so sweet and innocent. She is clearly pissed that she didn't get paid for the First season of the "GND". But she got to live rent free , waited on hand and foot, got a weekly stipend and appearance fees. After her book's success I'm sure she cried all the way to the bank lol. Before anyone jumps on me for defending Hef or being insensitive to his "victims" please try to remember a few things :
1. What Holly is saying NOW is NOT anything like what she was saying then.
2. She is the ONLY one of Hef's "pussy posse " who is complaining now.
I know of whence I speak. I met several of Hef's girlfriends after they left him. I even dated one. They ALL said the following :
1. They were playing a role. They got to live well by being part of the fantasy. Holly was one of the few who did not have a bf and/or escorted on the side. They were not supposed to but everybody knew what they were doing. If Hef didn't know it was because he chose to look the other way. And it was VERY unlikely that he did not know.
2. Hef could be the nicest guy in the world . A respectful , old fashioned romantic . He also liked to push the envelope sexually. The only thing I haven't heard was underage girls. He could also be a mean, vindictive control freak.
3. They were free to leave any time they wanted.
4. He became a diaper wearing , Viagra taking , deaf old man. Well Duh ! He was in his late 70's and 80's.
As for the woman who "grew up " in the Mansion , so did Hefner's sons Cooper and Marston. Neither of whom is associated with Playboy now.
The bottom line is that I am sure there is some truth to the allegations and accusations. BUT those making them all seem to have agendas and axes to grind. And obviously Hefner has been dead for the last 5 years.
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Just some musings and observations :
I watched the first two episodes and I will watch the other ones. I don't see it as a "hit piece " per se but it definitely has a pov.
It is hard for me to have sympathy for Holly and Sondra. Both liked being Hef's gf at the time. Like many of his other gf's both left AFTER they FINALLY realized that Hef was not going to marry them. Now both seem to have some regrets and blame Hef and not themselves. Holly is a multi-millionaire who had a successful show AFTER the GND and wrote a best selling tell all book. Am I the only one who noticed her cutesy "goody two shoes" outfit while she was being interviewed. Like she was trying to pretend to be so sweet and innocent. She is clearly pissed that she didn't get paid for the First season of the "GND". But she got to live rent free , waited on hand and foot, got a weekly stipend and appearance fees. After her book's success I'm sure she cried all the way to the bank lol. Before anyone jumps on me for defending Hef or being insensitive to his "victims" please try to remember a few things :
1. What Holly is saying NOW is NOT anything like what she was saying then.
2. She is the ONLY one of Hef's "pussy posse " who is complaining now.
I know of whence I speak. I met several of Hef's girlfriends after they left him. I even dated one. They ALL said the following :
1. They were playing a role. They got to live well by being part of the fantasy. Holly was one of the few who did not have a bf and/or escorted on the side. They were not supposed to but everybody knew what they were doing. If Hef didn't know it was because he chose to look the other way. And it was VERY unlikely that he did not know.
2. Hef could be the nicest guy in the world . A respectful , old fashioned romantic . He also liked to push the envelope sexually. The only thing I haven't heard was underage girls. He could also be a mean, vindictive control freak.
3. They were free to leave any time they wanted.
4. He became a diaper wearing , Viagra taking , deaf old man. Well Duh ! He was in his late 70's and 80's.
As for the woman who "grew up " in the Mansion , so did Hefner's sons Cooper and Marston. Neither of whom is associated with Playboy now.
The bottom line is that I am sure there is some truth to the allegations and accusations. BUT those making them all seem to have agendas and axes to grind. And obviously Hefner has been dead for the last 5 years.
Sensing a lot of anger in this post. Thank you for sharing your perspective.
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Sensing a lot of anger in this post. Thank you for sharing your perspective.
Anger ? And who licensed you as a psychologist ? lol
No. No anger. Not on my part. Nothing to be angry about. I heard a lot of good things about Hefner while he was alive.
And some negative. I am trying not to judge and to just be as objective as possible. Several former members of Hef's posse told me : THEY thought Holly was fos. They would know. They lived with her and watched her do stuff. Somehow , some way she pushed a couple other gals aside and tried to be "first among equals " aka "Hef's favorite ". She spoke to them and publicly on Larry King and other shows about wanting to marry Hef. He NEVER asked her and was never going to ask her. After divorcing Kimberly he reinvented himself with the "pussy posse " and then the "Girls Next Door". Playboy was a hot brand so why would he get married ? Holly felt like the ugly duckling and got Hef to pay for her plastic surgeries . Please note the plural.
She got her own show and wrote a best seller and is now married with kids. A lot of it thanks to Hefner. I'm still trying to understand exactly what her complaints are and/or how she was "exploited ". She was NOT a teenager. We haven't seen Barbi Benton , Patti McGuire , Shannon Tweed, Kimberly Conrad or any of Hef's other "Girlfriends" on that show except for Bridget. Not yet. Will we ? I don't know.
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Anger ? And who licensed you as a psychologist ?.
Hey hun…it’s ok…No one is trying to argue with you, I thanked you for sharing your perspective, as I have shared mine.
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There is no defending a predator who took advantage of women. Hef used & exploited women for decades upon decades, yet to make a Villian out of a woman for wanting to get married & have kids. If Hef didnt like what she was saying or doing he obviously had many others to replace her with.
Those gals got paid nothing for the first season, which helped keep his brand relevant. Hef was hugely in debt when he passed away.
All those playmates who lived there were sold a glamorous lie and it is hilarious that a man is on here trying to defend that lie. As if a bunch of young 20 somethings really wanted his old dick, that is the lie so many men want to believe. And heaven forbid one of them have a different goal or motive than to be some old farts sex doll.
We get it, it is okay for men to use & financially exploit women, because they have done it for centuries, but how dare one of us flip the script.
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Another thing that’s always bothered me about Hugh Hefner was the fact that he made a fortune off of selling Marilyn Monroe’s nude photos in his first magazine without her consent. She never wanted those photos published or ever posed for him. I mean legally he could do it because she didn’t own those photos, but it was just a shitty thing to do to someone at the height of their career. And she never made a dime off of that magazine, just a small fee for posing for photos before she was famous. Then he has himself buried next to her, which I’m sure she never wanted either. This is someone who lacked compassion and boundaries with women.
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Let us not forget that Hef supplied many powerful people in Hollywood with young gals for decades. Which made him powerful, most of those young ladies did not come from money & had the power to fight back. Hef defended a serial rapist till the very end. Someone he invited to every party at that mansion.
He was rich & had a team of lawyers for most of his life, so how could a victim speak up? Which is what predators do, they hang out & protect each other. So for anyone to defend Hef & what he did I assume is one too.
Yes, Hef has been dead 5 years, and the truth always comes out. I am sure more & more victims will start stepping forward because they finally feel safe enough to speak out and the NDAs and being sued for breaching them becomes a thing of the past.