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For girls averaging less than $250-$300/night
I've recently read some posts on this site which suggest that many girls are not averaging even $250-$300/night...I find this quite troubling. If you're dancing topless or nude for less than $1250/week(4 shift avg.), then something is the matter, only part of which is the economy. Here are some pointers, as I have been dancing for four years, at clubs ranging from top-shelf no-contact to medium/high-contact blue-collar, NEVER earning less than $500/night avg.
1) YOUR APPEARANCE: Let's face it,good physical appearnce is an absolute requisite! You MUST invest in yourself...lose those last ten pounds, coordinate a higher quality costume, tan, do your nails, proper make-up, etc. This industry is competitive, and though you may not be a perfect ten, you should certainly strive for it.Enough said
2) Club type/clientele: Many girls are simply uncomfortable in their working environment, which results in decreased income. If at all possible, consider switching to another club whose clientele/mangement/working style better suits you. For example, if you're an exuberant, athletic dancer who's good on the pole, why remain at the the stuffy "show" club which discourages your personality? Or why dance for a blue collar crowd if you're the refined, upscale type?
3)BURN_OUT: If at all possible, avoid over-working, as it may adversely affect your motivation, physical and mental helath, and eventually, earnings. Four full shifts (6-8hrs.each)should be the theoretical maximum for anyone. Beyond that, you experience diminishing returns.
4)TRAVEL: Many girls wil find that they'll earn substantially more in different markets. For example, exotic brunettes do well in NY, while blondes seem to bank in Texas. Experiment with weekend travel, since dancing in other towns may increase not only your income, but your perspective and life options, as well! 5)
IMPROVE YOUR MIND: Besides the obvious benefits of having an education, conversant, articulate girls can better hold the interest of the successful professional types from whom most girls make their biggest bucks from! Good conversationalists who know a bit about the world around them are infinitely sexier than girls who can only discuss mundane matters. A Tip: Read the newspaper or watch CNN for 10 minutes a day.
6) Finally, consider alternative sources of income. If you trulyc cannot earn a minimum of $5000/month dancing after trying all of the above strategies, then maybe dancing isn't for you! Bartenders, Hooters waitresses, cocktail waitresses, etc. all have similar hours and earn anywhere from$100-$5000/night average, plus minimum wage! With a six months of schooling OR LESS, you can become a paralegal, a computer netwrorker, a personal trainer, a paramedic,etc. all of whom earn $40,000 a year or better, plus benefits! Be creative, and take control of your life!Good luck...
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I agree with you on some points. It's true you have to do your nails, makeup well, etc. But I have to laugh at the CNN part. Guys come in strip clubs to get away from the world. Dont get me wrong I am very intelligent girl with I high iq and I was excepted in some of the top school in the US. But I'm not of to talk about the plans on how they want to build the new WTC which is currently in the news may I add. Guys want you to make them feel good about themselves. I carry on good conversation by first asking them why they are here, what do they do, the family ect.
Being a dark skin women from South American, tanning and dying hair blonde (maybe redness) may not work for me. But I understand where you are coming from. ;)
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Exactly Candi I agree.
Not all girls that are beautiful enough to make that kind of money could exactly make it cause of the area they live in. Being that I live in NY that's not a problem for me. But I'm sure that there are a few girls that live in the subs or country where you might have to travel a few miles for a club. Also if you have kids and a single parent it's harder.
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Um, it's real nice that you make that much money. Really. Swell. And your tips (besides the obvious "look good") are appreciated I'm sure. But $1250 a week is a lot. Especially for the hours and the skill level that dancers have (note I'm not saying it's an easy job, or that girls don't earn/don't deserve their money. But it is, undeniably, a low skilled job and there is no overtime, indeed, not even a full work week). I think it is great that you can spit on $300.00 a night. In my town, that's good (especially if you are doing low/no contact, but that's the same in any town). I am very happy at $300.00 a night. And I don't know where you are getting your cocktail waitresses or hooter girls, but around here they are not earning nearly that much.
Thanks
Jenny
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It's all relative. There are places where $200 a night is bank, and others where $200 a night is crap. In the places where $200 is high, the cost of living will also be relatively lower than in others. I have danced (briefly) in clubs where the top earners barely broke $200, and for a girl to pull $300 in those clubs is nothing short of miraculous. I think it's obvious that Juliet is trying to help, and we can all adjust her comments to fit our own situations. And if you're in a low-earning location and want more $$$, maybe you should consider pakcing it in and heading to the city :)
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Juliet gave some good pointers. BUT WAIT Lets not forget what guys want to talk about...1: SEX 2: Sports 3: "so lets see what you have to offer for my money."
Looks are not that important... AT ALL. Beautiful people do not make great money just 'because' of their looks. Look at the top models, They have trainers, have to have a certian weight for the agency to keep them on, thier hair is extensions in and out, clothing is picked for them, (wear it if you like it or not). A very well known model (i won't give her name, some of you may know who she is,) would not be in the Sports Illustrated issue last year because they would not put her on the cover.
Looks don't buy you much these days. Too many beautiful people in the world...thats great. I think men like what a woman has inside her head, even in a strip club. The initial contact is looks, but thats it. Then you talk. And talk we have to know how to do. WE have skill, and it does not stop with stripping! We learn how to carry great conversations!!!! It's a big part of the job. we are sex, yes, and also Women with excellent attitudes! That is what is going to bring us customers. ATTITUDE SELLS !!! WE SELL OUR MINDS TOO, NOT JUST T & A!!
Pamela :) ;) :D ;D
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Pamela I totally agree with you but here this story.
I was working at my old club and one of the guys was talking to my sister(yea I took her done with me but she's older). Anyway he was telling her about some girls in the club. I started to listen to the crap he was saying. He was talking about how a girl thought she was all of that and blah blah blah. The reason why her conversation.
There are times to talk to guys about certains. If they want to carry on that conversation. If they dont want to hear about the news or college degrees. Dont tell them. Some like to talk and other just want to have a good time. It 's good to show them that you are not a stupid bitch that just know how to shake there ass. But there's no need to go into details if the dont care. I would just think your snobby and it might just cost you $$$. ;)
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Hear you loud and clear TiNi,
excellent point! ....We think too much alike...it's scarey..Lol ;D
Pamela
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I spend $1200 a month on one dancer, and I never talk about sports or sex with her. I love talking about all sorts of things with her, and I do respect her and don't try and get any "extras". She is very beautiful, but she is also a really nice person. I know not every dancer is able to make big money consistently, but there are ones that do. She works probably 6 to 8 days a month and most nights she makes at least $1000, more often than not closer to $1500.
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I read the comments over and none of us said anything about sports or sex. Yet I get people that want to talk about that which I probably would ingnore you but majority of the we talk about how our days went or why I dance, why they are at the club, things of that nature. And for you to spend that kind of money you must be going to very good upscale clubs that cater to you. Tell me I would audition there....LOL. No seriously 8)
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Tini- Read Pamelas post right before your last one. she had numbered things that guys like to talk about, one was SEX, the other was sports. And no, its not an upscale club. It a neighborhood club that is very popular and gets a good mix of ladies, some of who travel quite far.
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SCpatron,
i was only giving examples in that posting. Nothing die hard about all guys. Speaking for myself, i get sports talk alot! And sex talk, well that comes with the territory at times. Some guys like sports, so thats a good way for "us" to get a conversation going. And sex...well, that topic happens... :D Pamela
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Pamela- I wasn't arguing a point, just relating my experience.
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what i find "troubling" is that anyone would take the advice of someone that either has an astoundingly low sense of self worth or has a screw or two loose...
http://www.stripperweb.com/cgi-bin/y...num=1033603024
our memories aren't quit that short, hon. ::)
why am i not surprised that you haven't listed attitude/self-esteem as an area to be improved upon... hmmm?
here's something to improve your own mind...
making $40k a year is living paycheck to paycheck assuming you don't have a mouth to feed other than your own (hmmm... that bit of news must not have been on CNN). additionally, no paralegal walks into her first job at $40K no matter who she's providing extras for... funny, that's why after nearly a decade, i quit being a paralegal (perhaps you need to spend more than 10 minutes absorbing what CNN has to offer).
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SF isn't doing all that well right now I heard. Only very selected few (and most of them are doing extras, which I don't agree with even if the economy around here is bad). I personally would be happy with $300 dollars a night. As long as I wasn't working any more than 6-7 hrs. I will be a beginner, so I'll keep in mind your advice and see how it goes. ;)
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Oh ok got you SC. I didnt see that.(weird);)
Alanna you have me a good laugh. Also I remember that post now. That's funny someone trying to give advice but didnt quite have the experience.HMMMM.
If I sound mean sorry but How you came across is that you was working in very high upscale clubs for over a year or so but really that's not the case. :D
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what will you do for 300 dollar a night. what will you put up with. alot of dancers make that money by giving or receiving extra's. something to think about before setting a set price. there are no guarantee's in this business its a hit or miss kinda industry. just a thought
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"Alanna you have me a good laugh. Also I remember that post now. That's funny someone trying to give advice but didnt quite have the experience.HMMMM.
If I sound mean sorry but How you came across is that you was working in very high upscale clubs for over a year or so but really that's not the case."
well now, Tini, we'll just never know what the case really is since she spent a few days pretending to be a "newbie" until someone that apparently knows her made some remarks about her working at Scores for quite some time... newbie or diva, queen or servant... who knows?
i just don't believe anyone should hold in high regard statements made by someone who tomorrow may decide to be a fat ugly postal clerk with nothing better to do or a depressed pimply teenager equally as bored... will the real Juliet please stand up?
hmm... perhaps with her various personalities, "Sybil" would have been a more appropriate name to have chosen. ;)
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I think Juliet's post was right on. I've worked in various California and Nevada clubs and most dancers don't know how to work the customers. It is a rare night I don't get the most dances. I even consider it a personal contest! 8)
1) YOUR APPEARANCE: Yes, I spend a lot of time and money maintaining how I look. I do research before I try anything new, and I'm not scared of cosmetic procedures. This is just another part of being a dancer. I bought a home gym and USE it 5-6 days a week, I've undergone a full endermologie series, have a very good boob job, use the best products for my face, get botox every 3-4 months, use sunscreen every day and tan with self-tanners, and I'm always manicured/pedicured. This may seem like a lot, but all I'm doing is ensuring my ability to keep working and make money. I am 30 but still look 24.
2) Club type/clientele: Totally true! I spent less than 2 hours at the Las Vegas Cheetah's before walking out. This is a very popular club, especially for traveling dancers, but I couldn't handle the customers' attitudes. If you feel the guys are rude or not compatible with your attitude, you're not going to want to talk or dance for them. After I left there I ended up working at 2 other clubs in Vegas and the difference was amazing. For a woman who can handle the customers at Cheetah's, she can make bank. For someone who can't (like me), going somewhere more comfortable pays off. Find a club that is a good fit for you instead of trying to force yourself to fit in with the club.
3)BURN_OUT: Save your money so that you can afford to take time off. At least once a year I take myself on a fun vacation. One year I went to Paris, another Hawaii, and another Mexico. This is important for keeping you sane and happy with your job.
4)TRAVEL: I haven't found any difference in income when I travel, but maybe I haven't went to the right places yet. ;) I have considered going to Japan, though...
5) IMPROVE YOUR MIND: Yes! Yes! It is rare that I have a customer who wants to talk about sex or sports (although I can talk about either). Most of the clients with big money want to see you as their "fantasy girlfriend". This means super sensual, sexual, and able to hold a conversation about their interests. Learn about politics, guns, laws, world news, and little facts to wow your customer. If you impress him he will want to keep talking to you. Part of talking to you should always include giving you money or paying for dances.
6) Finally, consider alternative sources of income: I briefly waitressed at a topless club and as a waitress I made more than 1/2 of the dancers there. If dancing does not produce the money you want, they are other ways to get it.
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Girls,
I'm sorry some of you found my post offensive, but I was genuinely trying to be helpful. As I'd mentioned earlier, I've worked at nearly every type of club across the US, and have managed to [pick up on some very important things which many girls simply neglect....My pint concerning the $250-$300 night minimum concerns the relative value of stripping when alternate sources of income have the potential to remunerate as well , if not better with no or only minimal education. If a girl works at the standard $20/dance rate, $300/night is not unfeasible if she does her best to maintain her appearance, selects a club/venue appropriate to her style, is approachable/articulate, and/or is willing to travel, if necessary. Sometimes it's simply a matter of tweaking a couple of relatively minor things...I just delineated those which, in my experience and thru obswervation of other successful entertainers, tends to generate top $$$!
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SCpatron,
Hi there...your experience taken well!!! Thanks. As for me the topic about speaking of sports or sex does not seem to come up with some of you. We all have our different style. I am a talker and a doer...so, when i meet a guy at the club i want to know about topics men like as well...it's a fantastic ice breaker for me. And as far as looks, yes i keep my looks up fine. I think i may be coming from the other side of the fence with some on this topic. I think the mind is ths sexiest organ ever!!!! So i work my charm..talking and flirting with my words ! My body is already on"auto pilot!!!" Some guys are nervous when they come to a club, some want to talk to you before you dance for them. When i work the floor i talk ALOT!! Thats how i entice them; with my words!! I am interested in what guy has to say also, they are very smart and sexy! And i always put myself on a guys level! Never above or beneath. It's my way of being a good rounded out dancer thats all..
Lotsa luck to us all!! Pamela
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>>I'm sorry some of you found my post offensive, but I was genuinely trying to be helpful.
oh i'm hardly offended... amused would be a more appropriate description.
>>As I'd mentioned earlier, I've worked at nearly every type of club across the US, and have managed to [pick up on some very important things which many girls simply neglect....
you'd also mentioned you were new to dancing and created an entire thread based on that particular personality... sort of like you've done here.
>>My pint concerning the $250-$300 night minimum concerns the relative value of stripping when alternate sources of income have the potential to remunerate as well , if not better with no or only minimal education.
and my point was that in at least one of your alternate income source scenarios, you are entirely wrong. i challenge you to walk into a "straight" job that makes more then $250-$300 per shift with minimal or no education, never mind lack of experience one would have in those other jobs.
>>If a girl works at the standard $20/dance rate, $300/night is not unfeasible if she does her best to maintain her appearance, selects a club/venue appropriate to her style, is approachable/articulate, and/or is willing to travel, if necessary.
for the average dancer, $300/night is not feasible consistently. in some places, even providing heavy duty extras wouldn't push every dancer over that income level.
>>Sometimes it's simply a matter of tweaking a couple of relatively minor things...I just delineated those which, in my experience and thru obswervation of other successful entertainers, tends to generate top $$$!
sometimes it is a matter of tweaking the obvious points you brought up. for most dancers, no matter how religiously they follow your guidelines, they won't make what you seem to believe they can, which is NOT helpful as they won't understand what went wrong when following your guidelines doesn't work. apparently, your experience and observations stem from the very high end clubs which the greater majority of dancers can't get hired at... no matter what or how hard they tweak, they still have to deal with what god gave them.
your use of a fixed amount of $250-$300 doesn't take into account cost of living in various areas which was a point previously brought up by someone else... $250-$300 a night in some areas is a bloody windfall. despite your alleged intelligence, you seem to have discounted that point entirely.
and here's a few points you refrained from mentioning that a lot of us are already aware that you have some experience with...
7) improve your attitude and self-esteem.
8) see alleged wealthy men outside the club as a means to squeeze as much of their disposable income out of them as you possibly can - as for the providing of sexual favors part... :-X (not a point i'd personally advocate, but if you're going to give points of advice, you might as well mention all the ones you apparently endorse).
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Juliet
Are you working right now? If so, doing what and making how much? I haven't seen you at Scores lately. Just curious.
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I'm working in Chicago right now...part-time for a mid-level modeling agency, and dancing 2x/wk at the Crazy Horse Too. Income here is a bit below NY --i.e.$500-$800/night, but at least it's quite consistent. QWill head back to NY for a couple of weeks over the semester break!Blue Moon, do I know you personally? :)
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Still no acknowledgement of the "Do I have what it takes" fake-out post from a few months back, Juliet?
Interesting.