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Question 2 - Dancing Vs. Contact
G-real has seen this one, but apparently it also disappeared during yesterday's problems.
Dancing vs. Contact
When I started dancing six years ago, I worked in the Southeastern US in clubs where we stayed a foot from customers at all times. That means our *entire* bodies stayed away, not just our thong. The only exception was usually a VERY brief hug or peck on the cheek as a thank you after leaving the stage.
Now that I am working in Idaho, there is slightly more mileage and contact. Here, I dance in a bikini (instead of topless or nude), but am expected to get much closer. What it breaks down to is that breasts, butt, and genitals are to stay roughly 6 inches from the guy, but otherwise we can touch while the customers can't. Please let it be noted that the 6 inch rule is frequently broken, especially during lap dances, although they are not friction dances (generally speaking, anyways - I'm sure there are a few girls....).
Now, the fact of the matter is, my club is cleaner than the others in my area, in terms of contact. But I still feel that stripping should never have slid down to this level. What others do does not bother me, so long as the are okay with it, but the contact makes me - personally - a little uncomfortable. My basic philosophy is that if I wanted a guy having that much physical contact with my body, he wouldn't be paying for it. So I'm trying a little experiment to see how much contact I eliminate, without hurting my earnings.
What do you guys think? Do you prefer touching and having your nose 6 inches away from everything? Or do you prefer the girl to just dance, take her clothes off in the process, and flirt and talk with you? Or is it just something that you feel should be based entirely on what the girl is most comfortable with? What are your thoughts on this, both as men and as the sub-classification of "customers"?
Ladies, have any of you tried any similar experiments? Did they work? What kinds of tactics did you use? What were your observable results?
I'm intereseted in hearing peoples thoughts, opinions, and experiences in this matter.
McCain
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Yesterday's problems? I replied to this message yesterday and was suprised that it had disappeared today. I assumed you had removed it. Has anyone else noticed anything missing?
BTW, congrats MC and Tre, you two are our first 'House' members!
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I did send you a couple of e-mails throughout the day yesterday, Pryce, regarding the "problems".
Whatever it was it seems to have fixed itself, although there were posts missing here, as well as on my board, which never returned. ???
Missing on the board itself, yet showing in admin. as a title only, but linking to an old thread. Then missing altogether.
Judging by the times on posts here, and on the private board, it was working at least until 10:30 am (my time), and there were errors between then and around 9 pm (my time).
Seems to be okay now. :)
(Although, unless Tina and McCain have the exact same keyboard problems, there's a glitch still somewhere.)
Anyways; Yes, "House Member", I saw that. Pretty spiffy. :)
McCain's there too only because she follows me around like a lost puppy....::)
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My experience in this arena having danced since the late eighties is that guys expectations have changed just as technology has also.
In the early 90's with the advent of the "gentlemen's club over go-go's it was chic for guys to "say they have been to th hippest most popular club and "savor the experience".
Clubs have gotten old to guys now and the level of contact determines how much will be spent on dances. Go to www.stripclublist.com or www.aspd.net, click forums and then Houston, and then houston strip clubs an read whatguys rate a dance and justify spending their money on.
Guys hate air dances. Full contact is what th want and without it the amount of dances sold drop off in my experience. i have worked at clubs where contact was suspended for various reasons and guysstopeed buying dances or "only get one".
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::) is all I have to say to you in response, Tre. Better to be a lost puppy, than one in need of a rolled-up newspaper! :P
Tre is correct regarding the problems yesterday - it affected his forum as well. So it occurs to me that it was a problem system-wide with StripperWeb.
Also, there is definitely an issue with characters being switched randomly in posts - when I see it happen in mine, I double check, and - sure enough - everything WAS originally typed in plain English.
Glitch in the system? Hackers? Viral infection? Who knows, but it may be worth your time to seriously investigate.
And Pryce, since I never had the chance to see your response, would you possibly mind reposting the gist of your thoughts on the matter of contact?
Now, as for Tina...
Perhaps I should clarify.
Obviously, in an atmosphere such as the one in my club, contact during lap-dances cannot be completely eliminated. Especially in view of the fact that the club has set the price at something the market does not bear well, given what is being offered for comparable prices at other local clubs. I am thinking more in terms of what occurs around the stage. Around the stage, the guys are accustomed to having the girls putting everything right in front of their face for a stag»ãëp as¾4easly as a single dollar. I am trying to break away from that, and move back to actually *DANCING*. Lap-dances are a separate issue all-together, and are actually pretty light in the contact.
McCain
And Pryce, Thank you!
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I started dancing in October 1998 and quit in April of 2002. I got hired and worked one shift at PT's Indy before they realized I was 18 and fired me. There, the expectation was for boobs in the face on stage for $1.00. Otherwise, it was air-air-air. One of my friends who works there said it was easy to make good money even though the dances are all air. At Brad's and Dancers West, there was less contact on stage, but grindage on the couch. In the VIP room at Brad's the contact was pretty high!
At the nude clubs in Louisville, contact on stage was minimal during the night shift. Guys basically left their money on the rail, or I'd let them tuck it in my garter. Couch dances were light contact during the day and almost none at night. At the topless clubs in Louisville on 7th Street Road, heavy grinding or extras are the norm. At PT's Louisville, the dollar and boobs in the face deal is expected on stage. Medium grindage is the norm for a couch dance. Trixie's, which is in Jefferson County, KY is pretty much the same, but it has some theme rooms. If you don't mind two girl shows, huge bank can be made there. Also, it's a good safe place to do some fetish shows for good money. The bouncers watch the theme rooms closely.
XOXO$$$
Z
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In my experiences here in Southern Cal., stage mileage is pretty low. I like to describe what I'm looking for as "inspiration". I want to be effected.
For example, the last time I really enjoyed a stage show, the girl came out and danced to her music. I mean she moved with the music, not just some generic prance. Then on she crawled around, very sexy like, very sexy eyes. She approached Summer (always a plus in my book ;)) and got real close in a slow and sensual way. Then on a hard beat, she quickly pulled away and pounded her body on the stage. She got up and kept dancing. Hell of a move. One of the coolest I've seen! Left Summer and I slack-jawed (and broke by the end of the night).
That's what I mean. I want to feel like a connection was made - I want to be hypnotized - captured by her presence - to feel and be overwhelmed by the power of feminine sexuality - inspired.
Sounds fooie, I know. :) But that's the best I can do to describe what I'm looking for at the stage. A woman can make you tingle inside. With a gleem in her eye and a sway of her hips - she can make electricity run through your body. It's fun to feel like a human animal sometimes.
So, back to your question...I'm not looking for dancing or contact per se. I'm looking for a moment, an experience. There are many ways to do so, just make me believe it while I'm your captive audience.
To be honest, it's a rarity that I feel inspired at a stripclub, I can count them on a single hand.
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McCain,
I agree with Pryce.
Tho the place that I'm dancing now doesn't have a lot of stage contact, I've worked at places that expected the boobs in the face thing or more, and I've always been (and still am) the girl who did less on stage. In general I think I make more that way.
At the clubs where girls are just mechanical dolls going around the tip rail shaking their boobs in someones face for a dollar, I was unique. I actually did eye contact and put a little bit of theater into my dance. Sure, not every guy wants that, but a lot of them do. The club that I'm at now is low/medium contact on stage - we aren't *supposed* to touch the guys, but that doesn't stop most girls from flipping their hair into their lap or stepping over the drink rail and dancing with their naked pussies in their face. At this club too I'm pretty unique. I crawl. I make eye contact. I look like I want to have sex. I don't look like a wind up doll. I make a lot of money that way.
Lena
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The way I dance is different every night, depending on my mood. Sometimes I want to put on a long gown and gloves and be slinky and sexy, sometimes I want to wear a schoolgirl outfit and be bubbly and naughty, sometimes I want to wear a neon bikini and be a slutty party girl. My table dances differ, too - I have also experimented with more, less, or different contact and I think that it does affect your money but not that much, especially in a high-volume club. There are nights when the crowd is young and cute and I want to wriggle around on laps, but there are other nights when you run in to guys who try to physically hold you down on their crotch - there's no way to get their money without contact. And screw them for their overly aggressive behavior! But the guys that just come in to the club occasionally, well, I think that they are there to look at pretty girls and to have attention paid to them. They are the ones that will just love it if you simply run your fingers through their hair, smile, and gaze in to their eyes. These are also the guys that make dancing so much fun because they make a great audience. That's the thing about contact "dancing" - you're no longer a performer, you're a crotch masseuse. I love dancing and being watched, being able to give guys a great show - and you can't do that in a contact dance.
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I'm going to have to agree with the points about contact dancing, which is why I dislike it, even in the extremely light form found in my club.
As for stage personality, I figure I must have loads of it, because it is about the only money-making thing I have going for me in my place of employ. I am - BY FAR - not the prettiest or the best dancer in the place. But I *AM* one of the only ones there that will actually talk to almost any customer, so long as they are polite, and I will joke with them and josh around. I also come off as the "smart one", or so I have been told. (The way one guy put it was that he thought of me as the geeky high school chick all the guys secretly wanted to fuck, but never would admit - WHATEVER). At the same time, though, there are many nights when it seems like the customers could care less, so long as there's a breast, covered or otherwise, almost within licking distance. It gets old sometimes.
Anyway, please feel free to pipe up. I'm just in a surly mood this morning because nobody told me my water was going to be cut off for 2 hours for utility work.
McCain
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The way I dance is different every night, depending on my mood. ....But the guys that just come in to the club occasionally, well, I think that they are there to look at pretty girls and to have attention paid to them. They are the ones that will just love it if you simply run your fingers through their hair, smile, and gaze in to their eyes. These are also the guys that make dancing so much fun because they make a great audience. That's the thing about contact "dancing" - you're no longer a performer, you're a crotch masseuse. I love dancing and being watched, being able to give guys a great show
Colette, all I know are your posts but you sound like the type dancer that makes the trip to the club totally worth it!
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Hey....
I danced at two topless clubs in Phoenix. No touchie, period. At "table dances", the customer's hands had to stay away, but it was ok (and frankly expected) that there would be some light "nipple against the cheek" sort of touching. Other than that, zippo, nyet, nada.
I also visited a couple of nude clubs in Phoenix, but even though the money was good, I didn't like the atmosphere. However, the distance (dancer to patron) was huge.
I visited a friend who was dancing in a club in Columbia, South Carolina (Platinum Plus) and the touching was huge. She was OK with it, though, but I was really surprised. REALLY surprised.
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I've travelled all over the country, and the common denominator is that guys want (and only want to pay for) the highest degree of contact that can be found in clubs in their area without obvious risk of being busted. In some states this means zero contact air dances. In other areas this means major grindage with customers hands on your tits and ass. In a few areas this even means fluids! Usually there is no problem earning money in an area that only allows "accidental contact" by only doing zero contact air dances. But as the area contact level begins to increase, the earnings potential for a girl who provides zero contact will decrease proportionally. In areas of high contact and also high stage fees, a girl who attempts to dance with zero contact can actually LOSE MONEY. This is simply because club customers talk to each other, and word will get around in no time that a particular dancer is providing zero contact private dances while every other dancer in the club is willing to provide "crotch massage" for the same price (that was a great comment, BTW!).
In some cities there is also a two-tier system of clubs, with a couple of upscale zero contact show clubs and many other clubs which are less upscale and involve higher contact levels (going back to the obvious risk of being busted point). In this case a dancer who has the 'goods' to be hired at either the show club or the higher contact clubs has her choice of which way she wants to play things. However, if the dancer doesn't have a covergirl face and a stunning body the show clubs may not be willing to hire her, leaving only one choice in that town i.e deliver high mileage or don't dance.
Point is that if a dancer seriously wants to earn money and seriously wants to provide zero contact these days, she may have to travel to clubs in another city or to another state for this to be financially feasible.
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Well, the thing I am noticing is that my money does not seem to be hurting any for scaling back on contact stage-side. Actually, it seems to have improved a bit, as more of the older guys coming in are opening their wallets wider. I suppose there is something to really be said for "old fashioned" values. The stage-side contact cannot be eliminated completely, as a large percentage of our crowd is younger ghuys who are used to the contact-level for the area, and will not tip otherwise.
Lap-dances are not air dances here. But there is almost nothing in the way of actually grinding. Basically what it comes down to is one full song of an up-close (about 4-6" away) view of whatever bikini I chose to wear on a given evening. And to be honest, the lap dances are overpriced, so we don't get many anyway (the club set the price on them; no way to negotiate a higher or lower price).
But one thing about my club that I like is that they are the most restrictive in the general area in terms of touching. The general rule is very limited non-sexual touching by the dancer, and NO touching by the customer.
McCain
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Ladies, have any of you tried any similar experiments? Did they work? What kinds of tactics did you use? What were your observable results?
I'm intereseted in hearing peoples thoughts, opinions, and experiences in this matter.
McCain
The best tactic I use is eye contact - eye contact can be so powerful sometimes, and depending on a few factors (guy's personality, if he is sober or drunk, if it's a guy or girl <in which case contact is fine with me!> , etc..) you can totally disarm a guy with eye contact. You're making him feel sexy and desirable and contact isn't as important. Then again, that can go hand in hand with the nature of your relationship to him...whether you've sat & talked with him a bit or just simply asked him for a dance. If he's someone that just got a dance right off the bat, he might not get another if he feels there's not enough contact. If you've sat with him a while, he feels he knows you and many times even feels uncomfortable with more contact. Sometimes i've had customers tell me that they feel so shy that they've talked with me so long that they want me to even keep my dress on, lol..
It's been mentioned to me by a few customers that I don't give as much contact as other girls, but I brush and caress *myself* enough to where they don't mind that as much - I keep the dance sensual and desirable...that way it makes up for the contact issue.
I have no idea if i'm making sense with all of this, but hope it helps...it's helped me...
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i know EXACTLY what you're talking about... i do the same thing.
actually, it's my opinion that the self touching, eye contact, the "almost" or hint of touching, etc. instead of the "hobby horse ride" so common these days is what separates the talented DANCERS from the borderline prostitute dancers. this is how personal/lap dances were intended to be done, and i think they just degenerated into the non-"dance" that they, more often then not, have become. something like what you described is what an exotic dance is really supposed to be.
just recently, i watched a dancer do a lap dance that went like this: without looking at the customer or speaking to him, she lead him to an available couch, he sat down, she pulled off her clothes (still without looking at him), jumped on his lap and while straddling him, did a "crotch massage" while staring blankly at the wall. at the end of the song, she jumped off (still not looking at him or speaking to him), climbed back into her clothes and left. that was it. i wanted to laugh my head off. no wonder the guy looked puzzled and didn't get another dance!
unfortunately, this or some variation of the same thing is what i see other dancers doing all the time. there's no possible way that anyone could ever convince me that this example and others similar can remotely be considered dancing of any kind. if this is the kind of "dance" most girls are doing, it's no wonder guys are looking for more contact... that girl's "dance" wasn't worth $1 much less $20.
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The thing that I get a big response from is that when I touch, it is in the form of stuff like playing with their hair, removing their hats, scratching their chins, etc.... it is almost entirely directed around their face area. It's funny to me, because a lot of the guys turn into giant fluffy teddy bears when I do this, yet it's essentially the same way I give attention to my kids. Strange, no??? The only difference is that I'm wearing a lot less at work, and I put some flirtation behind it at that point.
Does this lend any credibility to the old theory that most men are actually oversized little boys? <What do you think, Tre??? Huh???> ::)
McCain
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Oh but they *are* little boys- especially when pretty women are around! ;D
One guy last week followed me around to the point where I had to have him physically removed from the doorway leading down to the dressing rooms. He pleaded me not to leave his side - and it was almost pathetic. (Um, no wait - it was pathetic)...he was a good looking guy in his 20's...but very needy - when he first entered the club he was a hardened guy just wanting to buy drinks and after 5 dances he went to the ATM to get more money - and the dances were very minimal in contact...
There is one guy who comes to our club and the only contact he likes is eye contact and to have his eyebrows caressed. Weird as it sounds....he adores sensuality rather than blazing crotch-humping sexuality.
I've had numerous guys point out several girls who are known for their grinding techniques...it's funny to watch them because they turn around, hold on to the chair, and look around the room as if they are in Barney's wondering what section to shop in next. When guys see that, it turns them off....or on....(depending on the guy , of course) but for the most part, guys are just as emotional as women are and want "connection"..
Happy Monday, ya'll!
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I have one guy who exemplifies what you were discussing regarding eye contact. Of course, I know his real name, but for those who don't I commonly refer to him as "Eye Contact Guy". He could care less if I dance for him naked while holding the Hope Diamond, so long as I maintain constant eye-contact. Doesn't bother me a bit, but some girls get truly freaked out by him.
An interesting note regarding two kinds of customers I get (anyone else seeing these guys come in as well ? ).
1) The guys with bald or crew cut heads who ADORE me doing noghting more than rubbing and draping my hair all over their heads. I have a couple of guys that will tip $5 and $10 every song for to just come up to them and do that. They say it "feels good to have hair on their heads again". Makes sense to me, but never ceases to amaze....
2) The guys who actually ask for abuse, both stage-side and in lap dances. These ones I try to oblige as well, but it is difficult to make them happy without engaing in behavior that may potentially put me at risk of liability. For example, using a boot in the chest to lightly push them back into their chair is common. But I won't push harder even if they ask, because I am afraid I may push them backwards over their chair and cause them to hit their head and crack their skull. I'm not exactly sure HOW to handle these guys.
My personal feeling is that if a guy has a small, reasonable, and harmless fetish that he wishes to have fulfilled, then who am I to deny, so long as it is not illegal for me to do so. Many girls do variations of the same - i.e., wearing open-toed heels to appeal to the foot-fetish guys. But I must admit that sometimes it leaves me a bit at a loss.
Girls - Ideas? Suggestions? Other types of commonly encountered fetish-customers and how they are handled?
Guys - What kind of fetishes do you guys like to have indulged by dancers? How do you prefer these issues to be handled?
(And why do I feel like I may be opening a kettle of worms?)
McCain
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Hmmm, what do I think, you ask.
Well gee, McCain; you know I can't live without you. ::) :P
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i don't recall coming across the "hair" guys in the way you describe, but i do encounter a lot of guys that like to be tickled, stroked on the face/neck or "whipped" by your hair... there's also a LOT of them that want to touch it even more then they're interested in touching any "no-no" places. i'm uncomfortable with guys that want to play with my hair themselves cause i worry about them getting too rough... geez, with a handful of hair, a guy could snap your neck in a second and kill you for heaven's sake! when i come across those types i generally use the excuse that it took a long time to style my hair, and i don't want it getting all mussed up, and if i let him, i'd have to go back to the dressing and spend awhile fixing it when i'm supposed to be on the floor working... so far, i've never come across a guy that didn't accept that excuse, and many of them seem embarrassed that they didn't consider that themselves and apologize for asking in the first place... although it's odd that they never seem to realize that my telling them this is totally contradictory to what i do on stage playing with my own hair.
as for the "abusive" type you mentioned... oh boy, do i ever get a lot of those! i always thought of them as the "rough stuff" types. the foot in the chest thing is really common as well as various shoving moves (like grabbing their shoulders hard and pushing them back in the chair or before they sit, pushing their chest hard so the fall into the chair)... sharp, hard movements, a sneering expression... some guys even want me to grab onto their neck like being strangled! that one just weirds me out, so i've come up with the excuse that i don't want to leave red marks cause management would think i was giving him hickies, and i'd get in trouble or get fired... that seems to work well since most guys like these don't want you to get in trouble (although i've often wondered if that's because they'd be embarrassed about your explanation to management as to what the guy wanted you to do?).
some of these guys want you to make fists and actually pummel their chest, shoulders, thighs, arms... that i'd do if it was only acted out with really light striking, but since it would LOOK like i was fending off an attack, that would have security come running, so that's what i tell them, which puts an end to that request, too. but i've since learned how to act this out and make it look like part of the dance, so i'll offer to act it out the way i've practiced, and they always seem to go for that... maybe because they're interested to see what you came up with and practiced?... i have no clue.
the foot fetish thing is so common. i tend to wear open-toed shoes for comfort, but i also do it for the "foot" guys too. i always wear noticable colored polish on the toes and add a top coat of the clear polish with the sparkles in it cause that really makes them stand out. also, interesting looking (even wacky looking) shoes. i try to go with different looking shoes then what's typical all the time... a cone heel or something more strappy looking. i discovered that toe rings bring these guys running to you out of the woodwork, too. i find them uncomfortable for the stage though, so i take them off for that. the odd thing about toe rings with open-toed shoes though is that with most shoes, not enough of your toes stick out to accomodate toes rings, and you still really have to wrap them around the upper part of your toe... and man, those buggers really pinch if you get even a portion of the ring under the shoe! lately i've been looking for open-toed shoes that allow for a bit more of your toes to stick out for the "foot" guys that go kooky over toe rings.
then there's a whole separate group of "foot" guys that are just into boots... any kind of boots (let's call them "boot" guys). most of them really love the thigh highs but since i'm short, i think i look goofy in thigh highs. the shinier the boots, the more they seem to like them. i haven't found anyone that makes any kind of open-toed boots... that would be great since it would accomodate both "boot" guys and "foot" guys.
as for what "foot" and "boot" guys want you to do as far as a dance goes, they want to touch them, they want you to touch them, and for some reason, they want them up near their face... getting your feet in his face takes a good deal of coordination and ingeniuity. a lot of "foot" or "boot" guys are so easy to dance for since a lot of them tend to want you on the floor in front of them with your FEET and not YOU in their lap.
another one that i come across REALLY often is the "nail" guys. i have long nails and these guys seek out girls that do cause they want you to scratch them and they like touching them (once again, i always wear noticable nail polish so these guys will notice and come running... i've also noticed that guys in general don't seem to like the "nail art" painted nails much). some of these guys like light stroking type scratching, and some want you to really curl your fingers into claws and act like you're going to rip them to shreds, but only scratch them lightly. then there's the guys that really want to be RAKED. now, that's just bizarre, so i use that same excuse that security might think i was defending myself against him attacking me and they'd jump him and toss him out.... really, these kind of "nail" guys want you to make WELTS!
some guys want you to scratch yourself, which i don't mind doing since most of them don't expect that you'd be willing to make red marks on yourself (although i've come across a couple that have, so i just use the same "attack" excuse i mentioned, but i'll offer to act it out without really scratching myself... as long as your fingers are curled into claws and you do the right facial expressions, they seem happy with that). of all the guys that like the "nail" thing, the vast majority seem to want you to scratch either their chest or their head... back of the neck is biggie, too.
another kind of "bizzaro" type guy i've come across a few times is the "back of the knee" guys. seems like the few i've encountered all want to touch them, which i don't mind except i'm soooo incredibly ticklish there. i figure the best thing to do (since there's just no way to hide the ticklish thing and i don't want them thinking it's grossing me out) is to giggle and and squeal "ooooo, that tickles!" and instantly they're grinning from ear to ear and just as pleased as can be... just what IS it with guys in general that get so overwhelmed by the fact that they've discovered a ticklish spot on you? this is something i've run into with guys that i date all the time, too. i have to admit though, that i find it a bit odd that i've actually come across more then one of these "back of the knee" type of guys... what in the world can be so fascinating about the back of the knee, and what constitutes a particularly stunning "back of knee"? ::)
probably the strangest type i've come across (so far there's only been two of these, but i'm surprised there was even ONE) are the guys that want to see girls with hairy legs and hairy armpits... eeeeeewwwww! from the way they spoke, neither guy seemed to be a foreigner at all (apparently, hairyness is considered attractive on women in some countries), so i doubt that it was coming from a country like that was the reason behind them wanting to see this hair. both guys offered me money to grow that hair for them to come back and see when it grew in (with a really heavy duty tip for accomodating their requests), and i had to refuse explaining that the club expected the dancers to be clean shaven since that's what is considered attractive by men in general in our country, so i'd lose my job if i accepted their requests (i didn't want to run the risk of offending them and telling them the truth that if i grew that hair, every customer in the place would run away from me screaming). and i encounted both of these guys on two separate occasions in two separate clubs a couple of years apart. yet both of them offered me money and REALLY begged me to grow that hair! coming across the first guy was bizarre, but a couple years later, coming across the same type of guy with the same type of begging attitude and the same promises of big tips if i was willing to do it was totally astounding! has anybody else come across guys that wanted you to grow the hair on your legs and armpits?
one thing i've definitely noticed is that it seems that the majority of guys into the more strange type of fetishes are the white collar worker type guys. anybody else think so? it also seems (in my experience anyway) that the guys who like the rough stuff are white collars, and the guys who like the nails are blue collars... it also seems to me that "hair" guys and "foot" or "boot" guys could be either or. as for the "back of knee" guys... white collars - every one (blue collars don't go gaga over the back of the knee?). and the "hairy legs/pits" guys - both higher income type white collars, but one was an older gentlemen and the other seemed like a good 20 years younger.
my, my... the things men will pay for ::) ... it just boggles the mind.
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Re: Question 2 - Dancing Vs. Contact
Yep, I had a guy drop 6 or 7 bills on me the other night just for sitting there telling him how I could control and hurt him. I get more guys that want to be controlled than guys that actually want me to hurt them. Or maybe they're the same and it's just the way I handle them? I usually try to pair everything erotic with something rough with them. Like if I run my hand up their chest and behind their neck and tickle the back of their head with my nails, I'll then grab their hair and tilt their head back a little and hold them there and look down at them. I've noticed that a lot of these guys are lawyers. Weird, huh? I think it's because they're powerful in their work/home life they have a need to be dominated or something.
Other fetishes... I get the foot thing sometimes, the hair thing kind of makes me nervous. I've never had hairy armpit people. I guess I don't get a lot of fetish people...
Oh, I did have this guy once who wanted my blood. He had a bunch of little film containers with cotton balls with different peoples blood in them, all labeled with stage names and clubs. I told him I wasn't comfortable with it...
Lena
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Re: Question 2 - Dancing Vs. Contact
Lena,
That sounds like someone who's preparing to jump on the genetic engineering / clonong bandwagon....
I would have been flattered - he probably wanted t make sure any future daughters looked liek his favorite dancers...
But at the same time, the implications behind that one are simply way too sick, and I most certainly would not have obliged....
Continuing on...
McCain
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Re: Question 2 - Dancing Vs. Contact
Ed...
LMAO...
If you ever make your way to Meridian / Boise, Idaho, stop at the Kat... Ask for Andromeda or myself - we're the two redheads of the house.
I don't know about Andromeda, only myself, but you may be on to something about the nipple fixation....lol.
The question of whether or not the nipple thing may be a fetish for you, as the customer, really comes down to whether you derive any enjoyment from it - be it physical or psychological. If you do, then it's a fetish, in my humble opinion. But of all the available fetishes in the world, that one is relatively harmless - I know I'd probably be willing to oblige if a guy wanted to pinched on his nipples.
Continuing on...
McCain
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Re: Question 2 - Dancing Vs. Contact
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Girls - Ideas? Suggestions? Other types of commonly encountered fetish-customers and how they are handled?
(And why do I feel like I may be opening a kettle of worms?)
McCain
You've indeed opened a can of worms. One guy begs the girls to fart in his face while dancing for him. I kid you not. Needless to say, I don't oblige, nor do any of the girls.....that I know of ! :o
The only other fetish one guy has is cuddling...it's sweet, but can get annoying. I don't mean just cute cuddling - but squeezing you to the point where you're begging for air. It's considered body contact, but never while dancing; only while sitting with him. The girls put up with it, since he usually takes 2 of us up to the champagne lounge for 2 hours or so....but it's something that some of the girls can't deal with -