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Hi,
i am sorry, who ever sent me the pm about doctors. I removed you and forgot your name.
I have the info. i was going to send you. Found it laying under some papers. Gee, right.
Anyway, what alot of people do, if you do not want to pay, or if you (and you should) but you said you just wanted to look up name of different docs. in your area then you can call in your area to check out his credentials.
I have used this with great success, especially with my cardiologist!
Good luck, browse around.
Pamela :)
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yes!...yes!...it's very important that you check out your doctor's credentials...you don't want someone working on you who got their license out of a cracker jack box...and went to kinkos to get a really nice copy made....
good advice Pam... :)
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Thanks sweetie! I also went and checked out the 3 hospitals we at Health First have as well from time to time. Lol.
Pamela
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The people in the world that are the healtihest and longest lived are the ones who live the farthest away from doctors.
A doctors primary concern is making money, why do you think 20 percent of childbirths in this country are c-section. They turned childbirthing from one of the most natural, beautiful things in the world into an unnatural moneymaking extravagansa.
Actually, i'm going to start a thread about natural childbirthing, it is an important topic.
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natural childbirth will do a woman that had a high risk pregnancy no good....
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Pam, I know you work within the medical community and you would tend to side with them, I understand.
Keep in mind, according to the FDA, 900,000 people die every year from being given the wrong medications, for ailments that were not life threatening in the first place!
That's MURDER, but it's totally legal! That's why they call it a medical PRACTICE, they are using the patient's to practice on. If they kill you, oh well.
Doctors are trained to do 2 things -
1)try to cover up disease with more toxic drugs
2) cut out tissues, organs, glands to remove the disease
They are NOT trained in any aspect of disease prevention, or any aspects of nutrition or health. A doctor is only required to take a 2 hour course in nutrition and this is only mandatory in 25 of the 130 medical schools in the unites states. scary !
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in this country...you can really right off all doctors...as there are at least a handful that have studied alternative medicines....and some practice naturopathy...and push wellness as opposed to sickness...
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topaz- I strongly reccomend the naturopath route as well as chiropractic, cranial sacral, massage therapy, holistic healing, ect.
I was not referring to alternative medicine in my last post..
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Ryan hun,
i simply posted this on the board for a person who wanted the info. And all i have to say is i thank god for doctors. There is ALWAYS a time and need for them. Always! You too will need doctors. I only hope it's not life threatening.
Yes i work in the med. field. And see the importance of drugs. Alot of our cardiac drugs are made from plants!
Alot of drugs are, period. I see trauma patients who are saved by simple CPR. And a staph infection that takes 4 different types of antibiotics to save the persons life.
You have no arguement here. But Alot of tribal people live to the ripe ole age of 40!! Some are the ongest living! They know the power of Garlic for the blood/heart. Red pepper for many many health related problems.
But there comes a time when we do need western medicine to sava a life!
Pamela :)
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If you want a doc. who treats the condition as a whole, try a DO. They find the source and treat for healing! Instead of getting you hooked on all kinds of meds. you don't need.
Bottom line.....Research :)
PS Ryan you give good choices, but they only go so far. A massage will not put a slipped disk back in place.
Just an example. Also natural child birth is great! But it wont do mom or baby any good if there is toxemia, or a heart condition, to mention a couple of many problems that crop up.
cheers! Pamela
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I agree pam i just got over a infection from a ingrown hair(yse that's right) that turned into a skin infec all the way down my leg red puffy and hard with a fever spiking to 103 without antibiotics i would have ended out in he hosptial .
tanya
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The reasons we are having all this disease is diet and lifestyle related, we all know that!
Of corse if we drink, smoke and eat meat we are going to get cancer and heart attacks.
I for one would only go to a doctor for something like a broken bone, or if i needed stitches.(and refuse any medication) That is just me, just my little opioion, which under the laws of the land, I can freely express.
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PS - Homeopathy won't cure cancer ?
Fasting and Juice fasting are becoming major ways to combat cancers in Europe/Germany. The body instinctively "eats" diseased cells when deprived of food. Actually fasting is the body's natural way to eliminate disease. Do you ever wake up in the morning and you have bad breath, crust in your eyes, dark urine, coated tongue, ect. That is because you fasted overnight and the body started to eliminate toxic substances. When you continue the fast for days or weeks, the body can eliminate all of it's built up toxins, EVEN CANCER.
Do you know why we instinctively lose our hunger when we are ill? Because when we are ill we are supposed to fast. However we have been told to "eat to gain strength", but we should be doing the opposite and NOT EATING.
And Miss George, just so you know there is MASSIVE information coming out that vaccinations are more harmful than good and cause SID'S, autism, and a wide array of cancers later in life. The reason the human immuns system is so weak is because, like i have said in other boards, we are putting the wrong fuel into our bodies. I will not go into further detail here. Every other animal in nature birth's it's young without complication, why should we be any different. If 1 in 3 women are having birthing problems, that ought to tell you something is SERIOUSLY WRONG.
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Ryan i love your "gust" for life. But no meds ? Hun, be careful. I know you are an adult, and alot of men mainly are not "doctor" people.
But alcohol keeps veins and arteries clean, believe it or not! Lol. But it will tear apart your liver, amoung other problems, stroke, etc. But upon opening up bodies of dead alcoholic patients, the arteries where clean!
But it's a nasty trade off for liver and other problems in the future.
OK, sweetie....I answered your message in Florida fruit bars. Yep, the are around. And good!
PS Ryan, Alot of people can't fast due to hereditary diseases. But to each their own. Your opinions count, and i will step down. Good luck! You can live like Linda McCartny she was alot like you speak of, i read the book. And she had cancer, died. It happens to everyone and anyone sooner or later, if we don't have a natural accident, i.e. car crash.
Pamela
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Damn- Pam you are so nice! and tons of good info here!
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I've had 4 c-sections
You will never convince me that they were unneccesary surgeries.
Back in the days when medical technology was still in the dark ages- I as well as my babies- would have died in childbirth. My pelvis is not wide enough for a baby to deliver. Tried. Was in labor, in the hospital for 3 days with my first one, determined to be able to do it. After 3 days, and 2 days of HARD labor- with pains coming fast and hard enough to make me pass out, and my baby was starting to show signs of distress, it was the only course of action. Women are supposed to dialate to 10 cm, but after all that labor I had only made it to 2.
The second time- even after all that- I wanted to try a vaginal delivery again. Still no room in the pelvis, but this time we were waiting to go through all that and put my baby at risk so it was done much quicker this time. The last 2, I didn't even try- scheduled the deliveries and decreased the risk.
Unnecessary, my jaunty ass.
As far as a breast job goes- YES, research the docs. All you have to do is call your state medical board, tell them you are considering breast augmentation and ask about the doctors history. I researched 3 doctors before I picked one, and I'm sooo glad I did. The info I got about the 1st doctor revealed his license was in probation for 5 years- that he can still practice but he was under investigation with 5 lawsuits pending! Whew! Take your time, don't do it for them (customers- men in general), do it for you. They won't be there for you emotionally or finacially is something goes horribly wrong, so you take all the time and caution as possible.
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most 'scientific' journals won't give a plant based diet or herbal alternative meds credit for anything positive...so i doubt that he will find support there....
i have personally experienced positive results with changing my diet and prayer in overcoming cysts in my right breast and abnormalities in my abdomine...
i have books written by two women that have overcome chronic disease...one had stage four breast cancer (the title of her book is 'Something to shout about')...and the other had lupus ('the whole foods diet' and 'glow')
my mother was able to cut down her meds by incorporating herbal and mineral supplements and changing her diet (decreasing the amount of meat she ate...among other things)
most research scientists will turn a blind eye to stuff like this because they have more faith in science than in the God that created the plant and herbal precursors to modern medicine....people have also died on chemo...
and a few years back...a doctor in my home town performed several histerectomys on many black women...i'm sorry...but i find that to be suspect...
this has been my experience and is just my two cents...
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Ryan,
If you would care to read the FDA workshop proceedings on the subject at
http://www.fda.gov/oc/workshops/errorsum.htm#FDA
you will find that medical errors described in this section "FDA Center Perspectives on Error " reported 653 deaths OVER A 6 YEAR PERIOD. That is 110 or so deaths a year, not 900,000 per year. While any death is bad, exagerating the actual number by 900,000% is downright disgraceful. If you are going to quote a statistic, quote it accurately and cite the source.
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Miss george, I could sit here and tell you about stories from people I have met in seminars who have cured themselves naturally, I could quote the epidemic rises in both child and adult cancers showing that the american cancer society is actually counter productive as cancer rates keep rising and rising, I could show you why it works this way as the money is in the disease not the cure, i could go on the internet and find stories of men, women and children who have cured themselves of any disease you could name, BUT....
a quote keeps coming to mind...
"A PERSON CONVINCED AGAINST THEIR WILL IS OF THE SAME OPINION STILL"
so i'm not even going to waste my time. If you are truly interested about natural living, there is a plethera of informaion out there.
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to monty -
How Common Are Medical Mistakes?
They are too common. Although exact estimates are difficult to find, it is not surprising that an industry as stretched, complex, and burdened as the medical industry is fraught with errors. Many errors go unreported and tracking their exact prevalence is difficult. Nevertheless, bearing in mind that about 2.5 million deaths occur annually in the USA, here are some of the statistics and death rate estimates from various reports:
42% of people believed they had personally experienced a medical mistake (NPSF survey)
44,000 to 98,000 deaths annually from medical errors (Institute of Medicine)
225,000 deaths annually from medical errors including 106,000 deaths due to "nonerror adverse events of medications" (Starfield)
180,000 deaths annually from medication errors and adverse reactions (Holland)
20,000 annually to 88,000 deaths annually from nosocomial infections
2.9 to 3.7 percent of hospitalizations leading to adverse medication reactions
7,391 deaths resulted from medication errors (Institute of Medicine)
2.4 to 3.6 percent of hospital admissions were due to (prescription) medication events (Australian study)
Various studies have been performed about medical errors. A phone survey by the National Patient Safety Foundation found that 42% of people believed they had experienced a medical error personally or to a relative or friend. The Institute of Medicine (IOM) reports on two studies estimating the hospital deaths due to medical errors at 44,000 to 98,000 annually, which would place medical errors in the top ten causes of death in the USA. Barbara Starfield's article in JAMA places the estimates even higher, citing a total of 225,000 deaths due to iatrogenic causes, which would place health-caused deaths as the 3rd leading cause of death in the USA. Holland et al (1997) estimates as many as 1 million patients are injured while in the hospital and approximately 180,000 die as a result, with the majority due to medication adverse reactions.
Nosocomial infections caught during a hospital stay are also common, although these are not necessarily due to an identifiable error by medical personnel. On the other hand, many nosocomial infections would be prevented if hospital staff placed greater emphasis on preventive measures such as hand washing and sterilization. Estimates of nosocomial infections are as high as 2 million case annually or about 10% of hospital patients in the USA. Death rate estimates range from 20,000 annually to 88,000 deaths annually. The cost burden may be as high as $4.5 billion annually.
IOM study: deaths from medical errors: An Institute of Medicine (IOM) study in 1999 cited two different studies placing the number of deaths due to medical error in hospitals at 44,000 and 98,000 annually in the USA. For comparison, the CDC reports that in 1999 there were roughly 2.4 million US deaths, which would mean the above estimates represent approximately 1.8% and 4.0% of deaths respectively. The CDC lists the following top ten causes of death in USA for 1999 (see deaths overview for more details):
725,192 from heart disease,
549,838 from cancer,
167,366 from stroke or other cerebrovascular disease,
124,181 from chronic lower respiratory disease,
97,860 from accidents,
68,399 from diabetes,
63,730 from influenza and pneumonia,
44,536 from Alzheimer's disease,
35,525 from certain types of kidney disease,
30,680 from septicemia, and
484,092 from other causes.
By either estimate, the results would place deaths from medical errors clearly into the top ten causes of death at either position 5 or position 9. Furthermore, since these reports were based only on hospital admissions, the real number of deaths from medical errors in a doctor's office, such as misdiagnosis or delayed treatment, may be much higher.
The above reports were based on estimates of the rates of hospital admission that results in death from adverse events. The reports found rates of adverse events at 2.9 and 3.7 percent of hospitalizations respectively, and these were extrapolated to the annual rate of hospitalizations in the USA of 33.6 million admissions in the USA 1997. About half of these adverse events were due to errors: 58% and 53% respectively.
How common are medication errors? The IOM report gives much detailed information about deaths and adverse events due to errors in medication. The report estimates that 7,391 deaths resulted from medication errors in 1993. The IOM report cites one study finding that about 2% of hospital admissions experienced a preventable adverse drug event, although the majority were not fatal. Medication error was cited as the cause of death for 1 in 131 outpatient deaths and 1 in 854 inpatient deaths. Errors in prescription and dispensing are known but difficult to quantify. For example, the IOM report cites an Australian study for 1988-1996 finding that 2.4 to 3.6 percent of hospital admissions were due to medication events, of which 32 to 69% were preventable. For more details, see medication errors.
Surgical errors: Death rates from anesthesia in surgery have declines massively to about 1 per 200,000-300,000 cases compared to 2 per 10,000 in the early 1980s.
Starfield JAMA article: Barbara Starfield's JAMA article (Volume 284, No. 4, 2000), gives very large estimates of death due to medical treatment. A total of 225,000 deaths are attributed to various iatrogenic causes. This figure puts them at the 3rd highest cause of death, only after heart disease and cancer. With roughly 2.4 million US deaths in 1999, these estimates would put iatrogenic causes at approximately 9.3% of deaths.
However, not all of these deaths are necessarily from "mistakes" with 106,000 deaths due to "nonerror adverse events of medications". In other words, people had adverse reactions to a medication but it was not an error because they had no previous indication of a risk factor. Another 80,000 deaths are attributed to nosocomial infections, which are also not necessarily due to a particular "error" since there is always a risk of infection in hospitals. Her report also cites 12,000 deaths from unnecessary surgery, 7,000 deaths from medication errors in hospitals, and 20,000 deaths in hospitals from causes other than medication errors.
National Patient Safety Foundation Survey: The National Patient Safety Foundation (NPSF) commissioned a phone survey in 1997 to review patient opinions about medical mistakes. The findings showed that 42% of people believed they had personally experienced a medical mistake. In these cases, the error affected them personally (33%), a relative (48%), or a friend (19%).
References
National Patient Safety Foundation at the AMA: Public Opinion of Patient Safety Issues, Louis Harris & Associates, September 1997.
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (National Center for Health Statistics), Deaths: Final Data for 1997. National Vital Statistics Reports: Deaths: Leading Causes for 1999. Volume 49, Number 11, October 12, 2001
Institute of Medicine (IOM), "To Err Is Human: Building a Safer Health System", 2000, online.
Barbara Starfield, MD, MPH, Is US Health Really the Best in the World?, JAMA, Volume 284, No. 4, July 26, 2000, html, PDF
Lazarou J, Pomeranz BH, Corey PN. Incidence of adverse drug reactions in hospitalized patients: a meta-analysis of prospective studies. JAMA 1998 Apr 15;279(15):1200-5, html, PDF
JAMA / volume:279 (page: 1216) Drugs and Adverse Drug Reactions: How Worried Should We Be? David W. Bates, MD, MSc April 15, 1998 html, PDF
EILEEN G. HOLLAND, PHARM.D., and FRANK V. DEGRUY, M.D. Drug-Induced Disorders, Volume 15, No. 7, November 1, 1997, html
Phillips DP, Christenfeld N, Glynn LM. Lancet 1998 Feb 28;351(9103):643-4 Increase in US medication-error deaths between 1983 and 1993. medline
National Academies, "Preventing Death and Injury From Medical Errors Requires Dramatic, System-Wide Changes" November 29, 1999, (press release)
Richard J. Bonnie, Carolyn E. Fulco, Catharyn T. Liverman, Editors; Committee on Injury Prevention and Control, Institute of Medicine, Reducing the Burden of Injury: Advancing Prevention and Treatment, online
Schuster M, McGlynn E, Brook R. How good is the quality of health care in the United States? Milbank Q. 1998;76:517-563. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-po...=r&uid=9879302
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If you add them up it should come out to about 900,000 - the number I gave before, the number the fda gave me.
But thanks for the scrutiny.
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Doctors Are The Third Leading Cause of Death in the US, Causing 250,000 Deaths Every Year
This article in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) is the best article I have ever seen written in the published literature documenting the tragedy of the traditional medical paradigm.
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This information is a followup of the Institute of Medicine report which hit the papers in December of last year, but the data was hard to reference as it was not in peer-reviewed journal. Now it is published in JAMA which is the most widely circulated medical periodical in the world.
The author is Dr. Barbara Starfield of the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health and she desribes how the US health care system may contribute to poor health.
ALL THESE ARE DEATHS PER YEAR:
12,000 -- unnecessary surgery 8
7,000 -- medication errors in hospitals 9
20,000 -- other errors in hospitals 10
80,000 -- infections in hospitals 10
106,000 -- non-error, negative effects of drugs 2
These total to 250,000 deaths per year from iatrogenic causes!!
What does the word iatrogenic mean? This term is defined as induced in a patient by a physician's activity, manner, or therapy. Used especially of a complication of treatment.
Dr. Starfield offers several warnings in interpreting these numbers:
First, most of the data are derived from studies in hospitalized patients.
Second, these estimates are for deaths only and do not include negative effects that are associated with disability or discomfort.
Third, the estimates of death due to error are lower than those in the IOM report.1
If the higher estimates are used, the deaths due to iatrogenic causes would range from 230,000 to 284,000. In any case, 225,000 deaths per year constitutes the third leading cause of death in the United States, after deaths from heart disease and cancer. Even if these figures are overestimated, there is a wide margin between these numbers of deaths and the next leading cause of death (cerebrovascular disease).
Another analysis concluded that between 4% and 18% of consecutive patients experience negative effects in outpatient settings,with:
116 million extra physician visits
77 million extra prescriptions
17 million emergency department visits
8 million hospitalizations
3 million long-term admissions
199,000 additional deaths
$77 billion in extra costs
The high cost of the health care system is considered to be a deficit, but seems to be tolerated under the assumption that better health results from more expensive care.
However, evidence from a few studies indicates that as many as 20% to 30% of patients receive inappropriate care.
An estimated 44,000 to 98,000 among them die each year as a result of medical errors.2
This might be tolerated if it resulted in better health, but does it? Of 13 countries in a recent comparison,3,4 the United States ranks an average of 12th (second from the bottom) for 16 available health indicators. More specifically, the ranking of the US on several indicators was:
13th (last) for low-birth-weight percentages
13th for neonatal mortality and infant mortality overall 14
11th for postneonatal mortality
13th for years of potential life lost (excluding external causes)
11th for life expectancy at 1 year for females, 12th for males
10th for life expectancy at 15 years for females, 12th for males
10th for life expectancy at 40 years for females, 9th for males
7th for life expectancy at 65 years for females, 7th for males
3rd for life expectancy at 80 years for females, 3rd for males
10th for age-adjusted mortality
The poor performance of the US was recently confirmed by a World Health Organization study, which used different data and ranked the United States as 15th among 25 industrialized countries.
There is a perception that the American public "behaves badly" by smoking, drinking, and perpetrating violence." However the data does not support this assertion.
The proportion of females who smoke ranges from 14% in Japan to 41% in Denmark; in the United States, it is 24% (fifth best). For males, the range is from 26% in Sweden to 61% in Japan; it is 28% in the United States (third best).
The US ranks fifth best for alcoholic beverage consumption.
The US has relatively low consumption of animal fats (fifth lowest in men aged 55-64 years in 20 industrialized countries) and the third lowest mean cholesterol concentrations among men aged 50 to 70 years among 13 industrialized countries.
These estimates of death due to error are lower than those in a recent Institutes of Medicine report, and if the higher estimates are used, the deaths due to iatrogenic causes would range from 230,000 to 284,000.
Even at the lower estimate of 225,000 deaths per year, this constitutes the third leading cause of death in the US, following heart disease and cancer.
Lack of technology is certainly not a contributing factor to the US's low ranking.
Among 29 countries, the United States is second only to Japan in the availability of magnetic resonance imaging units and computed tomography scanners per million population. 17
Japan, however, ranks highest on health, whereas the US ranks among the lowest.
It is possible that the high use of technology in Japan is limited to diagnostic technology not matched by high rates of treatment, whereas in the US, high use of diagnostic technology may be linked to more treatment.
Supporting this possibility are data showing that the number of employees per bed (full-time equivalents) in the United States is highest among the countries ranked, whereas they are very low in Japan, far lower than can be accounted for by the common practice of having family members rather than hospital staff provide the amenities of hospital care.
Journal American Medical Association 2000 Jul 26;284(4):483-5
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DR .MERCOLA'S COMMENT:
Folks, this is what they call a "Landmark Article". Only several ones like this are published every year. One of the major reasons it is so huge as that it is published in JAMA which is the largest and one of the most respected medical journals in the entire world.
I did find it most curious that the best wire service in the world, Reuter's, did not pick up this article. I have no idea why they let it slip by.
I would encourage you to bookmark this article and review it several times so you can use the statistics to counter the arguments of your friends and relatives who are so enthralled with the traditional medical paradigm. These statistics prove very clearly that the system is just not working. It is broken and is in desperate need of repair.
I was previously fond of saying that drugs are the fourth leading cause of death in this country. However, this article makes it quite clear that the more powerful number is that doctors are the third leading cause of death in this country killing nearly a quarter million people a year. The only more common causes are cancer and heart disease.
This statistic is likely to be seriously underestimated as much of the coding only describes the cause of organ failure and does not address iatrogenic causes at all.
Japan seems to have benefited from recognizing that technology is wonderful, but just because you diagnose something with it, one should not be committed to undergoing treatment in the traditional paradigm. Their health statistics reflect this aspect of their philosophy as much of their treatment is not treatment at all, but loving care rendered in the home.
Care, not treatment, is the answer. Drugs, surgery and hospitals are rarely the answer to chronic health problems. Facilitating the God-given healing capacity that all of us have is the key. Improving the diet, exercise, and lifestyle are basic.
Effective interventions for the underlying emotional and spiritual wounding behind most chronic illness are also important clues to maximizing health and reducing disease.
Related Articles:
Medical Mistakes Kill 100,000 per year
US Health Care System Most Expensive in the World
Drug Induced Disorders
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Author/Article Information
Author Affiliation: Department of Health Policy and Management, Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health, Baltimore, Md. Corresponding Author and Reprints: Barbara Starfield, MD, MPH, Department of Health Policy and Management, Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health, 624 N Broadway, Room 452, Baltimore, MD 21205-1996 (e-mail: [email protected]).
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I was talking about doctors as in DOCTORS, not medicine men, naturopaths, chiropractors, massage therapists, reflexologists, ect... I guess you missed the essence of the post
WHOOSH - over you head!
As fas as the Hippocratic oath, read a little about Hippocrates and learn the techniques he used to treat patients and you will learn it is night and day from what doctors are doing. He reccommended air bathing, sun bathing, vegetarianism, fasting, skin brushing, massage, ect.
Thanks for reminding me about the childbirth post, I almost forgot. I am not trying to make anyone feel bad, I am trying to let others know the beauty of delivering you child by yourself, possible the most beautiful thing I have ever seen.
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Ryan, You can't add them up. They are indepedent estimates of the same thing.
Look for example at the Institute of Medicine report concerning errors and what they have to throw into the pot as errors. And you through in Europe too.
See top of page 2 --Institute of Medicine at http://www.iom.edu/includes/DBFile.asp?id=4117
Suicides (those are always the doctors fault).
Delayed diagnosis (The doctor should have made you have an appointment).
Delayed treatment (everyone who goes into an ER should be seen the second they hit the door)
falls, if you struggle against restraint to keep you from falling, burns
Read the original- the IOM is quoting two other unnamed studies and then gets quoted itslef and you added the 4 things together. I took me 3 minutes to find this online. Do some research.
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Monty, my quote goes to you too.
"A PERSON CONVINCED AGAINST THEIR WILL IS OF THE SAME OPINION STILL"