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I'm a hustler. My persona is different in these posts than my work persona. I use the methods, like eye contact and short idle conversation and oozing sensuality, but I don't get personal. I make up a life and all the details. This is my "zone" and I get into it. It is hypnotic in a way, but it works. And the better it works, the deeper I get into it.
I never think "I can't wait to go home". Rocksteady! Do it! I have never regretted it, no matter how cold it seemed.
Juliette de Sade
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Emily, girl, you are awesome! I really enjoed reading your post on hustling tips. You are absolutely right!
I am a pretty good hustler at the club that I work at. I don't have too many secrets. Most of the things that I do are obvious. For one, I will NEVER ever sit down abd "take a break." I've found out that tone of those breaks can turn into three hours of stupid chatter with the other girls resulting in me making NO money. I also try to talk to every single guy in the club (the club that I work at is usually not that busy) I don't use a single "line" that gets me dancer. Every guy is different, every guy will want to hear something different from you so that you won't sound like the 10 other girls that he just talked to. I make them think that the dance they'll be getting will be better than they can imagine. I never talk more than 5 minutes with them. I always put my arm around them and play with their hair. I always look dreamily into their eyes. I always smile.
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No kidding, awesome advice Emily! First I'll give some tips that work for me... then I'll give my weaknesses so you guys can help me out.
WHEN "ASKING" FOR THE DANCE.
Never give opened ended questions. Such as "would you like a dance?"
Instead say something like "okay babe, time to go be naughty." OR Alright enough foreplay it's time to get busy." They're not dumb, they know busy really means dance.
A few years back a guy I was dating told me something that I'll never forget. I used to get into some serious conversations with customers, I was sure that they'd be impressed with my intellect, as opposed to dumb stripper stereotype, and give me more money. They'd tell me how nice it was to finally talk to a beautiful AND smart girl for a change. BULLSHIT!!!!!! Sure I'd earned their respect; but in the end it was the "bimbo blonde' who earned his money. Anyway he told me "Your average customer is only willing to throw money at a girl who is unobtainable, once he can picture the period panties hanging on your bathroom sink than the fantasy is ruined." Strange analogy but so true!
My problem is holding eye contact while on stage. Stupid things go through my head like customers B, C, and D will think I favor customer A because of our eye contact. But if I give each a turn they'll feel it's fake and just part of my act. Help me out here.
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hey everyone-- i'm new on the dancing scene...what EXACTLY is hustling??? can someone explain this to me? sorry; i am kind of unexperienced.
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hey everyone-- i'm new on the dancing scene...what EXACTLY is hustling??? can someone explain this to me? sorry; i am kind of unexperienced.
Read Emily's post. That is how I define hustling anyway.
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blem is holding eye contact while on stage. Stupid things go through my head like customers B, C, and D will think I favor customer A because of our eye contact. But if I give each a turn they'll feel it's fake and just part of my act. Help me out here.
I wouldn't worry about this. First of all, they know it's an act. They know you aren't 100% loyal to them. They know it's your job to make money off other customers too (or at least they should).
Secondly, if they see you paying attention to other guys, they will get the idea that there is competition for your attention. They better shit or get off the pot. Your time is not a sure thing!
Besides, if they think you favor someone more, they will wonder "what's he got that I don't?"....*thinks $$*...."I can outdo him!" 8)
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I agree with Emily that she has some good points about selling dances but for me the sexual aspect for me does not work. It probably does for alot of girls but I usually do the best when I act really friendly, poliet and kind of bimbo like. I just act really lighthearted and innocent but my looks don't really give that off. It is strange that when I act really sweet and naive I make the most because I don't look like a sixteen year old I am tall and hourglassed shaped. I just try to appoach everything in a silly joke like manner. Even when asking for dances like "well are you ready for me BIG BOY!!" and just corny shit like that they usually start laughing and and buy a dance! But I honestly think mostly I get alot of dances because of my looks. I have long dark hair, dark eyes and kind of give off an exotic look and not to many girls at my club have that perticular look. So I do think alot of it is your looks and if your looks suit what the customer likes but Id say it is still very important how you sell it because if i just stood to the side and waited to be asked for a dance i would walk away with 80 bucks as opposed to tonight I walked away with 405 on a thursday!! WHOO HOO! So what I am saying is looks are not as important as one might think. For other girls though they might make money acting sexual but for me it would totally come off phony. You should be somewhat flirtatious but that can be entirely diffrent than acting sexual. Like if the customer mentions his age and says "oh I'm an old man I'm probably old enough to be your father" I just look all wide eyed and say " What I thought you are Twenty one!' They absoulty love this for some reason. I just wanted to write this for the girls out there who do not feel totally comfortable with acting super touchy feely and sexual (which is very important during the dance try to be very sensual as much as you can it can probably get you another dance from the same guy) but you dont have to act that way selling the dance. Sometimes guys really just want to interact with a woman and have a normal conversation with them it doesnt have to be this phony act that some guys can see through immediatly. Point is do what works for you. You dont have to do the same act every other girl does. Well I hope this helped someone out there! :D
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ive only beenn dancing for a few weeks, but i've never asked a guy for a dance.. they always ask me.
and lately i've been making good money with little hustle.. at least the asking for dances part of the hustle.
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I bet you'd make more if you hustled!
but if you are happy what you are making and how you're making it, then no need to change anything!
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Great advice Emily! I hustle when I'm in the mood but that's the problem, ONLY when I'm in the mood. I always need to hustle because I need $$! LOL! I'm leaving for work in a few hours, I'll keep your advice in mind! Thank you! :)
Syn
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It has taken me nearly 6 months in my current club but I finally have my thing working for me... especially of a Saturday shift because of all the Bucks and Birthday parties that consistently frequent the club.
Since I have to be a real good hustler.. I decided to take the hustle to the stage which I KNOW is my strength. I know how to get the majority (or nearly all) the room's attention on me at the stage.... smile, look friendly, LOOK LIKE YOU ARE HAVING FUN (even if you are not), act silly a little bit even if you want... EYE CONTACT with the audience.
I'm one of the best stage performers of my club and alot of customers like me for that reason however I'm also rely-ing on the Hostesses of the club (it is their job to get lap dances for us dancers) very heavily. I would say that 95% of my lap dances are thanks to the Hostesses.
Yes that is a high percentage however I sell myself on stage very well and the Hostess sells me to the customer whilst he is looking at me on stage. I personally find that I read the crowd so much better when I am up on stage than when I am not.... (stage is not rostered at my club - lap dances are the priority).
Whilst "Sales Dogs" the book has indeed helped me... I exceed selling myself via the stage... just that the "working the floor" type of hustle (without doing stage) is hard for me.
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Wow! I've gotten a lot of good advice. I'm getting ready for work after this so I am now motivated to go do some "hustling". I moved from a small club where I didn't need to hustle (the customers came to me), to Vegas. Definately a lot of hustle here. It was really hard for me at first. At first I took the polite route and asked "Would you like some company?" first thing. Too easy to say no to. Now I just plop down in their lap like that's where I belong and strike up a 5 min. conversation before I ask "Can I dance for you?". That is a lot harder to say no to. For me it works 90% of the time. The hard part is getting the courage to go up to them. I like Noami_TX's advice about telling them its "time to get busy", but I'm not sure I can carry that off without feeling phony. If I feel phony I feel that they can see right through me, so I just be myself. Then there are those super-confident-I'm-on-top-of-the-World nights where I feel I can tell them anything and they will bite. I wish every night was like those, but they are too rare. I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't feel comfortable with hustling.
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I know a lot of girls that hustle and do very well - the thing is, a lot of the time they lie about themselves to cater to what they think the guy likes. I am a very real person; I even have a hard time lying about my age. As far as asking for dances, I've worked at clubs where all you do is walk around and say "want a dance, want a dance?" (Mons Venus) and that's what the guys want. I work at Gold Club New Orleans now, and to me, the name of the game is to entertain. Guys can detect a bad attitude from across the room. Get together with a work partner that you think is hot and double team - two girls together can convince a guy for a vip better than one. There are days when I prefer to sit at the bar and wait for men to come to me (actually, most of the time now since I've been dancing for ten years), but if you can get in the mind set and get with a partner, you motivate each other and work can actually be fun - especially when the $$$$ start rollin' in! Stage is without a doubt my forte - once you get on stage you don't have to hustle as much because you are simply advertising yourself, and the men will come to you more likely than not.
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I keep reading the advice about making yourself look busy so customers will want to buy your time. This is easier said than done. I mean, when it's really slow-moving, what can you do? I keep reading that you can't:
1. hide in the dressing-room/toilet (coz you won't be seen)
2. you can't talk to the other girls (you appear to 'cliquey' and guys won't approach)
3. shouldn't sit by yourself (you appear a loner that is unpopular with the girls AND the guys)
4. can't wak around aimlessly (especially when it's quiet - you look like a spanner!)
I sometimes dance on the stage during these times and it sometimes works. The men feel I've been 'assigned' the job to dance on the stage and feel happy if I take some time out of my dancing to pay attention to them. But I can't do it all the time! It get's tiresome. Any more ideas?
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Good tip for slow nights: Ask the DJ to bump you up earlier and GET ON STAGE. Before that you will have time to freshen up. Changing costumes sometimes does wonders.
Personally, I LIKE to hustle. Who cares if you are lying to them. I lie all the time, totally make up stores, its more interesting to me? Don't lie so much that you forget the truth. We get fake hair, nails, breasts, etc...why not fake personalities, hehe.
You have to have go soclai
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Oops...
Anyway, you have to have good social skills, be extroverted. All of those pickup lines discussed on the boards are good.
When I strated, sure hustling would discourage me. Texas is ALL about the hustle. But, I learned to turn something off when I walk into a strip club, "my pride" and "my ego". The one thing you never want to lose is the big one, "DIGNITY." There is a big difference. When rejected, I just smile, tell them to have a great evening, and move on and on and on.....
I consistently outhussle and outbank gals at the clubs...hmmmmm..took a while though..meow!
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get some courage
how can the majority of dancers on this sight hate hustling?the worst part is over-TAKING YOUR CLOTHES OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!your probably not making near as much as you should be!getting the balls to go up to a guy and ask for a dance "a clever way" is all part of the buisness!i feel sorry for you non-hustlers!
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I hated hustling when I first started dancing... didn't really understand it! To make it worse, the example I had to learn by in my first club was that girls would either hang by the bar and wait for guys to ask them or would sit with customers *forever* (hours!) and get no dances. Once I started asking my Seattle dancer friends and reading websites (stripper-faq was wonderful) as well as apply some common business sense I started making $$$$. And this in a club where the girls thought a great night was $300! Hustling is the only way to make real money in this business. And still I see so many girls no matter what club I'm at hanging at the bar waiting for men to approach them complaining what a bad night it is! Luck only gets you so far... I so wish I'd known about this site when I first started (if it was around).
<<...and taking my clothes off is the easy part: I art modeled in broad daylight nude for waaay less than I make now; try $11/hour at the university! *Getting* to work is the hard part ;)>>
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I used to hate hustling. No more.
This is what I did- I went to a bunch of clubs as a customer myself. Now I do as a dancer what I would want as customer.
If I want a dance from a girl I don't want to have to get up and go get her. When I'm selling dances I keep that in mind. However, if I approach a guy and he turns away before I get there I just keep walking. I don't need the rejection. I am confident there are guys in there who want me to approach them. I read their body language and try to find them.
Also, as I walk through the crowd I touch guys on their hair and smile, or pinch their butts and giggle. I try to be the first dancer to talk to every new guy but I never ask for dances right away. I try to be a party girl even though it's not my true nature. I have fun, tell jokes, and goof around. I hustle dances from the stage when a guy comes up to the rail to tip.
Most important - I never ever dance for a guy who isn't tipping. I flatly ignore them. The guys who are tipping notice this since they are subsidizing his show. Dance for the guys with money in front of them only and they will appreciate it. Customers can tell when you don't know what you're doing.
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I used to hate hustling. No more.
This is what I did- I went to a bunch of clubs as a customer myself. Now I do as a dancer what I would want as customer.
Oh yes... I was a customer before I ever was a dancer and I don't take how I was treated for granted. I *still* go to clubs as a customer to pick up stripper tricks, moves and have fun. It's like field research. I also ask my guy friends what they like and don't.
What I can't believe is how many girls I've worked with who have never been to a club as a non-stripper.
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11/hr? Wow.....I'm art modeling for 12.50 an hour. Make me feel so valued!
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Originally Posted by Jexebel link=board=9;threadid=4089;start=msg56692#msg56692 date=1071720817
11/hr? Wow.....I'm art modeling for 12.50 an hour. Make me feel so valued!
Well that was the low (1994 at UNR). UCSF paid double that at the same time! I did trade work too. The point is, at least you can move around and accentuate while dancing. Having your nude body scrutinized in bright afternoon sun while standing perfectly still for up to 20 minutes is very hard. I would never do it now.
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I used to be in sales, and there's no doubt selling is emotionally exhausting, because it puts you in an inferior position. That's why a lot of sales people tend to develop a cynical and manipulative attitude. The antidote, I think, is to remember that what you are offering is truly valuable. You're probably very good-looking. At most clubs, even the ugliest girl there is usually pretty attractive in absolute terms. You're in great shape, because dancing is hard work. You're offering an intimate encounter with no emotional strings attached; what every male really wants. For 30 bucks! Are you kidding me? A guy would have to be an idiot to turn that down, unless he has promised to meet someone else or has already set his eye on someone and is waiting to get her attention. If that's the case, hey, there's no harm in asking, and you shouldn't feel bad about the fact that the time isn't right. Just move on, maybe after finding out something interesting about that person. If, after realizing that an encounter isn't forthcoming, you find a way to make that guy feel a little better about himself, you've just increased the sum total of human happiness, which is good in itself and should in turn make YOU feel good about yourself. If you feel good about yourself, you'll sell more.
When a girl comes up to me, if I'm waiting for someone else I usually let her know right away so I don't waste her time. That's not because I want to get rid of her, but because I know her time is valuable. If I'm not waiting for someone else I try to be the one to ask for the dance. If she beats me to it, I still try to let her know that I really appreciate her coming over. This generally makes her feel good, and knowing that I made her feel good makes me feel great.
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Shucks V, and I was gonna offer $13.25 an hour and let you move.
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I used to hate hustling, but now it's more of a game. How many sales can I rack up? How quickly can I leave VIP and get right back in there? See that guy with the sour look on his face... bet I can sell him a dance?
I spend my shift loving the game. Money is merely the means by which I keep score.