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Hey, the champagne room is hard on us too. It puts us in a weird position. I personally am not big on the champagne room. It seems like when you go back there, everyone's got their hand out because they think you made a lot of money, and that is on top of the money the guy gave to the club and the champagne hose. It's very plausible for a girl to get 1/3 take-home of what he spent back there....and for what? We usually deal with a much rowdier customer. The only benefit for us is that we know we will get great money for our time and we don't have to worry about some other dancer trying to put a move on our big spender. The money is safe.
I'm thinking of this guy last night had like $500 in his wallet. I was doing several dances for him and asked if he wanted to go to the VIP room. He asked the difference. And I said it was private. He asked me to look him right in the eye and tell him it was worth it, because he was perfectly happy sitting there doing dances all night. I told him no. It's not. I did that because I knew I didn't have to go back there with him to get a lot of money out of him. I knew there was a running tally of the money he owed me and we both understood exactly what that was. I was also not getting up off his lap, so I knew I wouldn't have to worry about losing him There was also a nice benefit of the club getting a smaller cut and me making more per hour. I think all of us dancers would probably do the same thing. But the champagne room us to the next level to secure his money and get a constant clock running for our time.
What I realized is that it's for guys who are not going to sit there all night doing dances....who are these guys that really would spend the $400 on a champagne room and give hald to the club rather than 20 lap dances, which will give them a lot more of our time and conversation? These are the ones that want more to do stuff they aren't allowed to do in the public areas. We know it. We hope he's not too pervy, but we deal because we know we'll make good money.
Dancers need to take him back there when couch dancing just isn't enough for him.....he wants to take it to the next level. It's not much of a difference, really. We all know it. Guys will hope for more. We just expect that you don't expect it will happen.
"What I hope for you to know, and understand, is that the way the male client thinks he is expecting that and that he is always expecting that. To comprehend that, to his way of thinking, this is exactly why he is shelling out the cash."
No. This simply isn't true everywhere with everyone. Maybe where you are and with the guys you know, but I go to the champagne room all the time with guys who KNOW they aren't going to get sex. I make it very clear to them up front. They might hope, but hell, I HOPE I'll win the lottery when I buy a ticket, but I don't actually think it's going to happen. And regular customers who come back and spend more time in the champagne room obviously weren't expecting sex, because if they were, they would feel cheated and wouldn't come back.
And it is not just "pathetic" men who pay upwards of $100/hour to spend time with a girl. In my club in Manhattan, they spend upwards of $800/hr--$200 to the club, $500 to the girl, plus a fee for using a credit card. They're just people who are affluent enough to spend that kind of money. If they wanted sex, they could call an escort and spend a whole lot less money. But they're not looking for sex--they're just looking to have a good time with a pretty girl and go home to their wives guilt-free.
I realize that this isn't the case everywhere--this is Manhattan. But no matter where I've worked, I've managed to find guys to take me to the VIP room who only expect a good dance and some companionship. Just because you can't relate to this mindset doesn't mean it doesn't exist. These men might not make up a majority, but there are enough of them to keep my and plenty of other strippers' wallets fat.
"CARRYING OVER INFLATED OPINIONS OF WHAT YOUR TIME AND COMPANIONSHIP ARE WORTH INTO THE REAL WORLD WILL CAUSE YOU PAIN AND MISERY."
This isn't the real world. It's the inside of a strip club.
At my club it is $400 an hr, $200 1/2 hr, or 3LD's for $100.
I've been in the VIP room every night except for 2 since I've been at this club (2 months). Most of the time it is for a 1/2 hour, sometimes it is for an hour and sometimes it is for 3 LD's. A lot of times it starts at 3 LD's and ends up being a 1/2 hr or hr.
I do not perform extras. I do not make them think that they will get extras. If they ask what the difference is between the main floor and the VIP, I will tell them truthfully ( and they still take me!). If they think they are paying for sex when they go in the VIP and don't get it, too bad!!! That's their fault for thinking so. I never lead them to think that was going to happen.
I don't think all men expect sex in the VIP. They might want it, but that's understandable, and that's a different thing.
I think it's horrible when a dancer leads guys on to think they are going to get something they are not. That's why we get stereotyped that we are not honest.
I commend you for this comment, Kobi. Us guys wish all dancers were upfront and honest like youQuote:
I think it's horrible when a dancer leads guys on to think they are going to get something they are not. That's why we get stereotyped that we are not honest.
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Thank you Carlos.
I disagree Thorn. There are different switches that I turn on and off when I work and when I'm in the real world. My self-image hasn't changed because of dancing. It's a job.Quote:
A main reason for this, though there are others, is that working in strip-clubs for a long period of time gives one a warped perspective as to how real world relationships work. A big part of this is having people, on a regular basis, pay you for your company. It gives, over time, an unrealistic self image and opinion about what your company is actually valued at in the real world.
Like I said, just look at the relationships of your co-workers and judge for yourself.
I don't know my coworkers, but I know about my relationship, and it is wonderful. I have a loving understanding boyfriend of 2 years. None of my relationships with friends and family have changed because of dancing. I don't feel they owe me anything for my company. I know the difference between a customer and a friend. I know the difference between work and real life.
It seems a lot of people have f*cked up relationships these days, not just dancers.
I have actually never been in a champain room, but at the clubs I go to (well exept for Platinum plus, and I have even been offered it there once) you can almost count on getting at least some extra. hell they happen in the vip room most of the time ( I can attest to that personally). it is a fact of life. and some guys go there just for that.
I personally don't. when I go into the vip room with a lady the most that I am expection is a hot high contact dance. I am perfectly happy with that, as for anything else that is offered, well, I am single so for me there is really no driving reason to refuse such a temping offer from a dancer that most of the time I know pretty well. but sometimes I really just want a good dance. i have done that with a dancer that I got FS from the last time I got a vip.
so what I guess what I am saying is that for me at least, I would be happy if I never got an extra in a club again, but I am also not going to say no (most of the time) if I am offered something. I have actually gotten a LOT for just the standard vip, fee. it actually bothered me so much because this gal was very pretty, I got another dance from her just to so she would know that with me she DIDn't have to do that to get me in the back room. I didn't feel bad for getting the extra, I felt bad because I feel like I, don't know, because she felt like she NEEDED to do it.....
In most cases, the club sets the price, or sets a base price. Believe me when I say that the strip club owners and managers who set those prices are well-versed in the going rate for champagne/VIP room trips. A dancer's time there is worth the going rate, otherwise no one would pay it, and the going rate would decline.Quote:
Newbie dancers, you are being told by your more experienced counterparts that your time is worth $400/hr in the Champagne/VIP room. That you should know this in your heart of hearts and be not afraid to let a man know that this is true and he should be damn glad to be spending that kind of money for your time and attention.
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no man, no matter how pathetic, actually thinks its worth $100, $200, $300, $400 and up to sit with you for an hour of your undivided time and attention.
If he doesn't think it's worth it, he's not going to pay it. If no one pays it, the price would drop. But enough customers pay it to keep that a pretty standard price. Newbie dancers, if a customer tells you no, he doesn't want to pay the going rate for a champagne/VIP with you, there is another who thinks it's worth it and WILL pay it. Move along.
Yeah, in some cases. Speak for yourself. I have NEVER taken a guy to champagne/VIP room with him thinking he was going to get anything other than good dancing (better than I can do in the main area) and company from me. LOTS of other dancers use the same practice of letting the guys know exactly what they're offering. LOTS of us don't want to deal with the bs of a customer going to champagne thinking he's going to get sex - that is why we don't lead them on. Newbie dancers, if you tell a guy you're offering something in champagne/VIP, you'd better be ready to give it up. Be honest about what you are or aren't selling. You will have much more success, happy customers, repeat customers, and WAY less bullshit.Quote:
They want, and actually think they are buying, sex.
The rest of that long post is pure BS, not worth responding to. Newbie dancers, PLEASE don't believe this guy is typical or really knows what he's talking about. He presents his opinion as fact regarding all males, and he "just ain't right".
Thank you, Bridgette.
I have danced in Vegas before where they have the VIP rooms, and the only way I can see that a guy thinks a champagne room = sex is that by spending time with a lady and getting to know her and spending money on her, maybe she will want to hook up with him later. On the one hand, I feel bad if they think a dancer is going to call them once they've paid the bill, but on the other hand, I think most guys know better - and it's just wishful thinking on their part - and I know I've worked my butt off and danced for them when they wanted to get dances and sat on their lap and chatted when they've wanted that....and done my best to make them happy.
Saying that guys think that sex is what's going on in the champange room makes them sound stupid. Let's give men a little more credit than that.
Just My two-cents, But I find it completly pothetic that a person would sit there and debate over weather or not it's okay to expect extras from a dancer just because he is paying $300-$400. This is a dancer not a prostitute. if you are looking for sex go to a street corner and find a hooker. I'm sure you could find one and a room for that amount of money. These girls are there to PROJECT a fantasy, it's not there job to live out that fantasy. As a developer of my own club and working with them for years, I understand that customers expect things. I expect to be king of the world, Doesn't mean it will happen know matter how much money I spend. Just my two-cents
Yay Marcus!!! ;D
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Saying that guys think that sex is what's going on in the champange room makes them sound stupid. Let's give men a little more credit than that.
Working many years in nyc I have found many men who are happy to go into the vip drink and talk. Yes of cours you throw in a few dances but mostly it your personality and making them feel important. I think a bright dacer can look at the person and see #1 Can they afford to drop this money and not think twice.
# Are they horney that it can lead them to be rude? Do they really understand that one on one time doesn't mean sex but like someone had mentioned before making them feel like a sultan.
# Do you guys click on the converstion? I always give them a dance on the floor to see if they are grabby or not.
I guess it comes down to this how desperate are you that night to make money. I have been in situations where I had to take one these horny rude guys to the room. I just told the bouncers to watch us-and yes the whole time I was fighting him off and the hour was hell and it wasn't evern worth the money.
On the flip side there are the guys who you click with have great conversation- the time goes by and he's buying another hour. Intriguing conversation can get you more time and repeat customers.
Thorn what are you like 19??? You must be young because only someone who is an immature idiot would be expecting sex in a strip club. Notice how we call it a strip club not a brothel - and how we are called dancers not prostitutes. Please observe this the next time you go and maybe your expectations wont be so high.
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you seem to know the stripping business so well actually more so than us. How is that you are always right and that we are always lieing about not being prostitutes. You cant seem to grasp that we are telling the truth.
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Why do I have the feeling that this has all the makings of another six page thread?
*papers the forum in asbestos*
let me fix that right now...
puts on protective moon suit....sprays forum with industrial strengh disinfectant...
ok...it should be fine now...
Lol....mmm i can't wait for this one!Quote:
let me fix that right now...
puts on protective moon suit....sprays forum with industrial strengh disinfectant...
ok...it should be fine now...
Why the attack?
no attacks on my part...just the eager anticipation of the response from the thread's subject...
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What can I say.... we're voyeurs at heart.
*passes Topaz the popcorn*
I believe this would be a response to Thorn's "Realities of the Champagne Room" thread.
thanks Lilith.... *gets a handful of popcorn
and thanks for clearing that up miss george...i was kind of wondering what sparked the thread in the first place...have some popcorn...