yea me too.... i thought chrissy had started the the thread and i wondered where her reponse was coming from...
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yea me too.... i thought chrissy had started the the thread and i wondered where her reponse was coming from...
This response is for Thorn. I think I understand your post......... stating that it is best to be honest about what will go on in the champagne room to avoid unnecessary conflict right?I had another question. I will be starting to dance soon and have been reading on here about hustling and keeping regulars.The responses I saw also had to deal with false promises of a date next time..... and so on. This gets me confused and I would like to be honest with a customer so he does not think he will eventually score.From what I read it seems like that wont get you anywhere ... so whats the deal how do i handle this. I would like too and am trying to get as much useful information as I can before i start. Please not i consider myself an entertainer who would love to dance and get to know someone but not interested in extras or leading a man on.
Thanx
The problem with this thread appears to be that the only dancers posting on this board appear to be the ones who have never given a BJ in the Champagne Room.
Those others probably do not get on the Internet much.
But the man who you seek to lynch is right - the great majority of men want, expect and pray for sex in the C. room. Sometimes we are stupid enought to think we'll talk to you to the point you are so charmed as to offer it to us without an explicit "bargain". But never ever is sex more than a blink of an eye away from our thoughts.
To think that men will sit there just for company and conversation and that they are not hoping somewhere deep down all of it will in one way or another lead to sex is dellusional. Or maybe there are men like that but very, very, very few.
Now, the dancers can high-five each other as much as they want when one or two guys post a pandering comment here but reality is different.
So let's get some of those dancers who have done extras to post so we can get a balanced view ....
LOL, are you just trying to get you message across?? You can always post it a fifth time. ;)
Ha, now you'll have to change your post because I cleaned up my mess ....
<wink>
Is thorn not allowed to respond?
Okay. First, men who pay for sex are paying for the woman to leave after, no strings attached. Wordly men go to women called Prostitutes for this kind of sex. If a niave youth wanders into a strip club with misconceptions why not set take advantage of his inexperience with a few classic moves? Don't older customers take advantage of new and inexperienced dancers? They do.
Thorn ...though I commend you on having the nuts to put forth an unpopular opinion I must disagree with your take on the stripping biz.
The strip club can be seen as an arena where women and men engage in a combat of the sexes sort of like football. Everyone knows the rules. There are passes and fakes and fumbles and fouls. Sometimes people get hurt. Ref's are needed to break up fights. Emotions run high.
Still it's just a game. Some people play better than others and some people are better sports than others.
Thorn...The strip club world is not as flat and simple as you describe. There are all kinds of customers and more doesn't mean better.
For example, in a world where sex is cheaply available, might not SOME men be paying to hear "No"? Blocking is part of the game right? For some guys it's not the kill but the thrill of the chase.
Or, there are coke dealers who have insane amounts of cash to spend. They don't care if it's $500 dollars or $2500. They just want as place to chill out for awhile. One of them is worth a hundred work-a-day regs.
And, men like to compete with each other in the club. One customer I know likes to get four girls table dancing for him at once- song after song- and he ignores them. The show is for the rest of the club especially the males. It's his way of saying he has more money than them and is thus superior.
Newbie dancers... know your time and attention are even more valuable than $400 an hour. I had a customer pay me $500 to use their mouth as an ashtray. I coulda made another $500 if I put my cig out on his tongue but I was kinda grossed out. If men will pay you to do that or to piss on them or to shit in their mouths then why not to talk?
The strip club is a strange and wonderful world and only the dancers know what is REALLY going on.
Just a comment about the guys who post on this forum... They are not necessarily "typical" stripclub patrons. You've got to be fairly serious about going to stripclubs if you're checking this place out. Most of the guys who are in a club on any given night aren't. They're not regulars.
More later, dinner's about to burn...
LOL! That's classic! I think I'll use that line the next time a guy propositions me during a LD! So true! [rotflmao]Quote:
I had a customer pay me $500 to use their mouth as an ashtray. I coulda made another $500 if I put my cig out on his tongue but I was kinda grossed out. If men will pay you to do that or to piss on them or to shit in their mouths then why not to talk?
I agree that the dancers know what is going on. As a customer I have a glimmer of what is going on. Also I tended to notice and concentrate on what I know and do best which is the business aspect of running a club and how it is laid out, managed and organized.
(That's why I think getting 36 crates of strip club t shirts by mistake, and the chaos and endless cattle call and merhandise sales to get rid of them is really funny if you look at it that way.)
It's funny. I had never been in a VIP room before, so I pushed ATF (before she was ATF). She let me get away with some stuff but not that much. Then after I knew the bouncers and the rules, and that they were generally enforced in this club, and I got to know her and she became a person and a friend.
Once someone is a friend I treat them differently so our relationship changed to enjoying just partying with her. After awhile on work nights (work for her a day job and 08:00 nine hours of professional classes for me)we fell asleep against each other... which some might consider a waste but I don't. Like a wolf, I don't fall asleep with
any other animal I don't trust because you are
totally exposed to risk that way.
So I'm one of those guys who wants a lot in VIP, but don't go to VIP unless I know the girl, Once I know the
girl the relationship changes ... so I'm not achieving my males base desires I guess, but am achieving my mental desires.
Does this make any sense?
LMAO!!! I have had guys pay me to grind my heels into their balls, walk on them, beat them, etc. I have had cyber subs pay me to 'make' them send me pics of them with ashes in their mouths that they paid me to send them. Guys are all different and will pay for all different things.Quote:
I had a customer pay me $500 to use their mouth as an ashtray. I coulda made another $500 if I put my cig out on his tongue but I was kinda grossed out. If men will pay you to do that or to piss on them or to shit in their mouths then why not to talk?
Yes, sex or at least the allure of it is involved, but it doesn't necessarily mean giving BJs in the back room. It always, in the end, comes down to a guy paying the girl for her time and attention, whatever attention that may be - talking, dancing, abusing, getting off, whatever. For most dancers, getting the guy off doesn't usually figure into the equation. Alot of guys may want it, but want and get are not the same!
To the newbie above who posted asking about some posts talking about 'leading guys on' and some talking about being honest with guys: It's a fine line between playing the fantasy and bullshitting a guy. The most successful dancers walk that line, just between letting them fantasize about having you, and straight up telling them lies to get the $$. The line is crossed when a girl tells a guy she will do _____ if he takes her to champagne, or gives her $X, when in fact she has no intention of doing _____, and will not do it once she has the money.
That is perhaps the most true statement I've read all day.Quote:
The strip club is a strange and wonderful world and only the dancers know what is REALLY going on.
and sometimes I wonder if ever you all do :o
Give me a break!the first question out of a guy's mouth about the v.i.p is what is the difference between the vip or the regular couch dance room and the first answer should be...NOTHING SEXUAL! then they won't expect that. use your head.if you can't tell them that up front then your wasting your time being a dancer!
When a guy asks me the difference I tell him. Bringing up a possibly negative point (nothing sexual) right off the bat is probably not the best sales technique. Instead, focusing on the positive like privacy, higher class of clientele or 'it's just me and you'seems more successful.
I see nothing wrong with 'we can get closer' or 'you can do more' since these don't specifically offer anything. If he assumes that means sex that's his problem.
If a girl outright rips a guy off I just laugh. I think it's funny. On the other hand, if a girl falls for a guys lines, I think that's funny too.
After all, It's not like the guys never lie to us...every dancer knows better than to believe what customers tell us. You customers would do well to do the same with us dancers.
well i can honestly say i disagree with you on all aspects . first off if i wasawaitress at chedders i would not be worth 100/hour . however when im in a VIP room with a man totally nude dancing n being suductive you better believe my time adds up and i start at 200/hour . and im very worth it , im not walmart , hes not in a discount store , hes with me and thats the price . now if in their litle mind they wanna believe sex is what their buying then that is not my problem . im a stripper not a preacher and i wouldnt put honestly real high on my list of morals . now thats honest . when a man walks through that door he wants to be played and its all in your game . in the club i work at the girls think its a good night if they make 200. i make between 5 and 8 an average night so i must be doing something right and yes i do get repeat buisness . if you act like walmart hes going to pay walmart prices i prefer to be the saks of stripping and doing so ican afford to shop there . so ladies listen to who you want but remember your not in this buisness to make friends your in it to make money so do so .... ill leave you on this note "stripper do not earn their money , we make our money ...you deceide what your worth "
The club I work in, there is no Champagne room. There is one big VIP room where everything is out in the open. It is supposedly $40 a dance, or sometimes $40 for two. So many times, men ask for one song for$20, or even 2 for$20. That breaks down to $10 for a full contact, grind dance. I believe many customers think it's only worth $10 or $20 b/c there are so many girls back there giving extras in plain view. THe management can walk right up on illegal acts , but won't do a damn thing. The fact that mgmt. doesn't obey any fire code is a giveaway that the on;ly thing they are interested in is$$$$.
If a customer is expecting sex in the VIP room, he will be seriously disappointed 99.9% of the time. That’s the reality, and any customer with any experience knows this. That’s not to say sex doesn’t occur in the VIP rooms of some clubs—it does, but in general, it’s rare.
At most places the VIP room isn’t about actual sex, it’s about atmosphere, titillation and privacy. If a guy wants sex, he could save money and pay a working girl or try his luck at a regular night club.
The “reality” for many guys is that they work long, hard hours. When they get a chance they visit a Gentleman’s club, to relax and be entertained. They want to have a few drinks and be pampered for a few hours. They like the company of attractive, classy and most of all personable women. They are there to enjoy themselves and be titillated. Most of the time, these desires are satisfied right on the main floor—so there is no need to pay extra for the VIP room. Other times, it’s worthwhile to spend the extra money and visit the VIP room for a more private atmosphere. It all depends.
Not every man is the same. Yes, the whiff of sex is always present, but there is a big difference between enjoying titillation and expecting actual sex. Personally, I enjoy the titillation.
Hmm, how did this thread get by me? This really presents a connumdrum for me because I can see things both ways.
As a customer of anything, and what's is offered at a SC is no exception, I tend to make my decision of whether or not to buy it based on whether or not I'm getting a good value for my money.
While I did not go to Kobi's club while I was out there (shame on me ;) ), that's fairly standard for VIP rooms in LV. Several of the gals that sold me standard $20 dances at all the clubs that I went to asked if I'd like to try the VIP. Knowing how fast my money can go in a Vegas club, I declined every offer until a gal at one club talked me into it. I just wanted to sample what VIP was like so I opted for the cheapest 3/$100 option. While most of the gals were honest about the prices, none of them mentioned the two drinks ($11 each, twice what they are on the main floor) that I had to buy, and that if I wanted to renew for another 3/$100, I would have to buy two more drinks with each renewal. :oQuote:
At my club it is $400 an hr, $200 1/2 hr, or 3LD's for $100.
But like an idiot I went in to see if VIP really lived up to the hype. Before my gal and I got started, she suddenly needed to go to the bathroom, the waitress brought the drinks and I gave her the $22 + tip. When my dancer got back from the restroom and had some of the red wine that I ordered her, she went from a sweet gal to a whiny and belligerent psycho. She criticized me for drinking soda, she kept pestering me to step up to the next level of VIP (half hour) despite telling her repeated times that I didn't have the money, then she kept telling me to use a credit card despite me telling her repeated times that I wasn't going to pay a 20% surcharge, she kept telling me to go use the club ATM. For every comeback, she had another whiny request. Finally when the three "dances" were over she insisted that I go tip the VIP room bouncer $20. I gave him ten and got the hell out of there.
The gal never promised sex, I didn't expect it, and except for some minor extras nothing of the sort was received, but nonetheless I felt incredibly deceived. I ended up paying 60% more money for three dances where my entertainer displayed the professionalism of a nine year old brat, and for drinks that I didn't want just for some privacy, recessed lighting, the comfort of a bench seat, and the implicit suggestion that "its so much better in VIP".
Maybe some customers would think that to be worth the money, but I felt that I was getting a much better value on the main floor considering that I could have gotten five dances for the same money and could order drinks when I wanted them. Call me crazy, but I think that if I'm spending more money that I should get better treatment, not the same, and certainly not worse. Otherwise what incentive do I have to go in there? I know a lot of dancers would never treat a customer the way that I was treated, but I'll be very hesitant to ever try something like that again considering it was a very expensive lesson to learn.
While I wasn't promised sex and wasn't looking for it, I was promised somewhat implicitly that I would have a better time in there, which in my case clearly didn't happen. There does seem to be a mentality in certain high hustle clubs to make exaggerated claims of the goings on in the VIP/champagne room to siphon more money out of customers. The customer of course, gets angry at the dancer because she's the one who convinced him to go in there. Whether she made false promises of sex, or he just assumed it is often irrelevant. When you spend more money, you expect more for it. The problem isn't false promises of sex, its false promises period, and the greedy clubs, not the dancers are the root of that, although dancers that talk up VIP into something it isn't make themselves accessories to this sort of outrage.
Some guys might want to pay 60% more for privacy and leather couches, but I simply don't see how its a better value. Could any of our ladies make a case of why a customer should pay as much money for 3 dances in VIP (plus have to pay for drinks or some other charge) as he could for 5 on the main floor? I'm really curious.
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Dr. Catfish, you have always seemed to be quite a fair and reasonable fellow, i think you may have been put-off by your lady's failure to reveal ALL charges that would be incurred. Santos makes sense to me, for that is the mindset I also have. I beleive if the dancer provides stimulating conversation(not turning into a whiney brat ;)) you both share some sort of bond/connection factor and desire some privacy, it is more than worth it! Unfortunately, your experience did not reflect what most intelligent gals will do. We of higher understanding know that a happy customer goes on to tell others, and also can bring her repeat business; we do not binge on the quick buck with our only goal being to purge your wallet through subtle desception.
It sounds as if you found one of the bad apples Dr. I’m sorry to hear that. Sometimes it's hard to separate the wheat from the chaff, but for what it’s worth, I've had some memorable times in Las Vegas VIP rooms. I don’t know if you spent time on the main floor with your dancer, but that’s what I always do before visiting the VIP room. And if I have any doubts about prices or charges, I always ask—and I try to take care of the business stuff up front.
Yes, 90% of the time, the VIP room isn’t worth the extra money, but if you find that “certain” dancer who you click with, the VIP room gives you a little more intimacy than the main floor. Of course, I’m not talking about sex, but from my experience many dancers feel more comfortable in the VIP room and will work very hard to give you a dance you won’t soon forget.
I was at a VIP room at a different place in Vegas, courtesy of my buddy. Nice chandeliers. Away from the Strip. I think it's been remodeled recently.
The dancer had promised offered a "more intimate" experience and one-on-one time. It wasn't worth it to me, but my buddy was treating.
I did have a very nice time with a very nice chat, the dancer offered up her share of dances, and it was more intimate - not that intimate, of course. But my buddy got hosed. Overpriced bottle of liquor and no-necks leaning on him to tip them "right."
Never again.
And what does Chris Rock say?? [nono]
Outside of the character of "Rufus," I have no idea what Chris Rock says, Daisy. Sorry. :)
I think this is what Daisy was reffering to:
http://www.letssingit.com/?http://ww...k-chris/1.html
And in my case, it was definitely true! ;D
What Dr. Catfish experienced is why clubs are a lot slower nowadays. Greedy dancers who don't treat the customers as they would want to be treated, clubowners who gouge the customers and charge the dancers an arm and a leg to work which causes them to be more aggressive with the guys, which again runs out the business.
In reality, the VIP rooms are rip offs, but for some customers who just want companionship and where money is no object no harm done. But for most guys it is not money well spent.
If the club owners weren't so greedy, if politicians wouldn't constantly force club owners to go to court to stay open, which is expensive, then clubs would have higher volume as in years past and we could make our money working the crowd instead of hoping for a few big spenders to make or break us.
Can you really blame a level headed guy for not wanting to pay inflated prices for what he can get on the floor?