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I think it depends on what you want. I'm the type of girl that prefers consistent money over hit-or-miss nights, so I hop from table to table when possible. I think you are gambling when you spend too much time with a customer, but if the alternative is talking with a dancer or with the housemom in the dressing room, nothing wrong with staying put with a customer for a long time.
I think one should never leave a guy with a ton of money WHO IS SPENDING IT. You know those guys that flash a big wad of money but it's hard to pry a single dollar out of them? I avoid them at all costs. They are more interested in playing high roller for the night than buying the entertainment you are providing. And Mr. One Dance At A Time can wait it out.
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I understand where you are coming from Mariah. Houston and Austin are about the same where it comes to more girls than customers.
The biggest problem I've found there is that the girls tend to tie up the tables sitting next to a guy that may or may not be interested in them so it is hard to move around from table to table. Then some of the guys who spent money the last time in will say they aren't spending any money on dances this trip.
I used to try to be on the floor before 5 and work straight through until closing hoping I could catch happy hour and the late night crowd. On Fridays I would go in at opening as the club was busier, house fee was only $5, and over 50% of the time there would be average guys in there doing the day that weren't high rollers but who were clean cut, had a pay check and since the other girls would sit for long periods trying to get the big nut I would sell 2-3 dances apiece to the guys the other girls wouldn't approach and work until about 11 or 12 that night if there was money to be made but usually after 10 the thugs and hanger outers would come in and I would leave.
Also Sunday afternoons were my best day. I would go in at opening which was 1:00, pay a $5 payout and only work until 7-7;30 and 9 times out of 10 leave with $250-$325 which I made off of 2 guys usually. Normally there were only about 14-15 dancers working and the middle aged guys would come in with intentions of having a drink and buying dances and leaving so it was much easier to make money then with less competition. Sunday nights sucked with about 10 more girls and shittier customers.
If you could try to work off times where there is a low payout and less girls as much as possible you might improve your earnings a little.
And I was complaining about only working with 3 other girls last night on the road. LOL
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I tend to sit with one customer for a while. My thinking is that generally speaking, it's easier to sell one guy four dances than it is to sell two guys two dances, or four guys one dance each. But I won't sit with one guy too long. At some point I think its okay to let him know that you've got to get up and make some money.
I agree with Emily about sitting with dancers though. If the club is dead, you might as well sit with a customer.
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I agree with Emily about sitting with dancers though. If the club is dead, you might as well sit with a customer.
I usually agree with what Emily says; but this happens to be one of my biggest pet peeves. I HATE it when I see other dancers sitting with a guy for more than six or seven songs when he's obviously not giving her any money. This spoils the guy and sends him, and any other guys who can also see that he's not spending any money, the wrong message. Now he's gonna have it in his head that it's really up to us whether we can choose to sit for free or leave and make money, so he doesn't HAVE to keep spending money for our company.
I used to be able to get a guy every night who I'd sit with until they leave and make, on average, five to six; but the way the economy is now, guys just are not spending like that anymore. Big spenders are now few and far between, so I jump around. I don't run as soon as the songs over, but if he's not buying anymore dances I say "okay babe, have a good time and I'll swing by later.
If it's slow than just keep moving to what guys you can, go back maybe he'll be ready but don't spoil him.
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If it's slow than just keep moving to what guys you can, go back maybe he'll be ready but don't spoil him.
That's exactly what I was thinking. I will sit a LITTLE longer than usual on a slow night with a nice customer, but I still won't just stay and stay. No need to spoil them into thinking they don't need to spend money for the ladies' attention. I'll be nice, and linger for a LITTLE longer on a slow night, but I'll still get up and say I've 'gotta get back to work'. They understand and I'll either go to another table or go freshen up or whatever, but never just sit and sit for free.
As for where I make the best money, it's always from big spenders. Of course I work in an area that gets alot of tourists and business travelers, so that makes my situation a little different than what you have in Austin. But I usually found that same when worked in Austin - I'd get 1 or 2 or 3 guys in a night who spent some cash and then a few stray dances here and there to round out the night. The majority of my money generally comes from the few spenders -- but once in a while even that doesn't fly. There are a few rare nights where I can't sell a VIP to save my life but everybody and his brother wants 1-3 lapdances, so I spend the night running up and down the stairs, but I don't mind...I still make money and I get some extra aerobics on the side ;)
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Bridgette, I think you'd be very, very disapointed if you came back to dance in Austin these days. I think we both used to work at Joy at the same time. Waaaay back, in Joy's glory days. Joy has a horrible reputation now. Just take a look at the ASPD site. Joy was the first club I ever worked. I was there '98-2000, maybe even late 1997. I used to bank at Joy, I'm sure you did too. I don't make that kind of money at all anymore.
These days there are so many girls that when you go prowling for a new table, you have 2-5 options of guys to walk up to. So now when girls get a table they stick to him all night like white on rice. It's very normal for lots of girls during the week to go home with less than 100 bucks.
In light of this, I'm trying to set the best possible strategy to maximize my income when I'm working with such slim pickings. Yikes, I'm sure you can all feel my pain.
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I usuually had a 10 minute rule for a new customer. That gave me plenty of time to feel him out.
If he did not want a dance then, i would go back later and say hi with a different approach. Sometimes it worked, sometimes not.
It's a judgement call on your part.
Pamela
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I would suggest a "mix and match" approach. I'll often want to get more than two dances with someone but I also don't want to blow it all in one fell swoop. Also, I don't want to monopolize the dancer's time if there is money to be made in higher rollers than myself (I consider myself a "medium roller" ;D).
If it's busy, stay with the guy until he asks you to stop, then do the bounce-around, but offer to come back if the fish aren't biting (so to speak). It gives us both a chance to take a break from one another; to "freshen up" in a sense. In my experience, more often than not the dancer does make it back around, and we repeat the cycle until I've spent all I meant to spend in a particular evening.
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I am curious about something ladies. I have been in sales for thirty years. In every sale, no matter what the product you have to close the sale or in other terms, "ask for the sale". Do you do that?
If you have been with the same guy for 10-15 minutes and he has not ponied up with a dance, do you ever try just giving him a heartmelting smile and saying, "Well I wish I could just sit here and keep enjoying your company but I need to make a living..." or something similar to that? Therefore letting him know you need to move on but leaving him an opening to keep you there if he wants to.
You have to ask for the sale, Would that offend your customers or do you do that anyway? I am just being curious.
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yes, that's usually how it works, but sometimes the guy will ask for one himself
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I am curious about something ladies. I have been in sales for thirty years. In every sale, no matter what the product you have to close the sale or in other terms, "ask for the sale". Do you do that?
If you've ever read any of my other post's regarding hustling, you will see my more "sales" approach. I don't ASK for the dance... I CLOSE them on it. [order] ;)
I don't ask "do you want a dance ???
I confidently say "All right babe, it's time to go get me naked" ;)
If he says no than there's always plan B [beat]
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Good question xmarx.
I never did a hard sell. I had many other customers to move on too. But one tactic that did work for me was to dance for another guy (when i started doing ld's, because i was a stage dancer many many years), and while my back was to the customer at one point i would be looking at the other guy i was speaking too say...15 minutes ago. Lick my lips, and smile at him. Then focus on the customer i was with for the duration of my time left with him.
I guess showing off. It does work. Guys like a flirt in the club. I did that well. So then i would cool off in the back room, come back out to the floor and shake my head at the guy i wanted with a closed smile. he would then (sometimes) call me over to dance, or just talk again.
You don't win them all, but there are many ways of attracting a potential who seems not so interested. :)
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I think you have to adjust yourself to the atmosphere that your in. I'm in a club right now where there will often be as many girls as customers, but a high number of customers do champagne rooms. So I'll give the average customer twenty minutes to half an hour, now. But, if the club is full and the guy I'm talking to is young or cheap he'll get ten minutes. OTOH, if the floor guy points me at a big spending customer who does two hour champagne rooms with a different girl every time he's there, I might spend up to an hour with him.
When I sit down with a customer, I look around and weigh all the options and decide how long they might be worth.
xmark, it depends on the customer. Usually it gets worked into the conversation. I try to create the image first, like if they ask something I'll say "I'll show you when we're upstairs" or I might run my finger down the inside of his arm and look into his eyes and say "oooh, I'm going to have fun with you." After a while I'll say "are we ready to go upstairs yet?" and they will either say they don't have the $$ today, or in a little while, or maybe later, or one more drink first, or yes. I'll either move on or I'll stay there for another song and then say, "okay, it's time for me to take you upstairs and molest you" or something.
But yeah, it's a very aggressive sell at my club, down to some customers wanting to know exactly what sexual or semi sexual services they might get for their money, and some girls promising things I hope they don't follow through with... My alternative sell is to find a gentleman with money behave like a refined, classy lady, and let him woo me into a room. Unfortunately, there's a bit of a shortage of those customers lately..
Lena
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some girls promising things I hope they don't follow through with... My alternative sell is to find a gentleman with money behave like a refined, classy lady, and let him woo me into a room. Unfortunately, there's a bit of a shortage of those customers lately..
Lena
That would be the more interesting apporach to me every time. I have not gone to a club in years but if I did I would not be there looking for sex, just for sexy fun. ;)
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But (and this has happened to me) it is kind of humiliating to say, "well, i have to go make some money" and then have the customer you were sitting with watch you spend the next half hour getting rejected by 5 more. Ugh. I usually go back to the customer then and ask them to buy me a drink. Then start over and ask for a dance again after awhile.
But has anyone else had this happen? Its not bad if the club is busy, but when there are only 5 or 6 customers there and no one wants a dance, it is embarrassing I think.
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But (and this has happened to me) it is kind of humiliating to say, "well, i have to go make some money" and then have the customer you were sitting with watch you spend the next half hour getting rejected by 5 more. Ugh. I usually go back to the customer then and ask them to buy me a drink. Then start over and ask for a dance again after awhile.
But has anyone else had this happen? Its not bad if the club is busy, but when there are only 5 or 6 customers there and no one wants a dance, it is embarrassing I think.
Yep, that's exactly the problem. I'll spend the 10 minutes with the first customer, ask for a dance, he says not right now, so I get up to walk around. Then I'll see that all but 2 other guys already have a girl at thier table. So I try them, get rejected cause they are the cheap asses, then I have to go sit at the bar with 10 other dancers who have nothing to do. So that first customer sees me just sitting there, doing nothing, then if I go back he gets the idea that I can just sit and chat all night because there are so many girls with nothing to do. It's that or go sit in the locker room with 20 more girls who also have nothing to do. So basically my club, Sunday through Thursday is about sitting around most of the night, with 3 times as many girls as customers. Ugh it's so frustrating!
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Yep, that's exactly the problem. I'll spend the 10 minutes with the first customer, ask for a dance, he says not right now, so I get up to walk around. Then I'll see that all but 2 other guys already have a girl at thier table. So I try them, get rejected cause they are the cheap asses, then I have to go sit at the bar with 10 other dancers who have nothing to do. So that first customer sees me just sitting there, doing nothing, then if I go back he gets the idea that I can just sit and chat all night because there are so many girls with nothing to do.
And then there's times when I probably will want a dance or five, but doggone, I'm just not warmed up to the place yet. I respect the dancer's need to make money. So she needs to work the floor, and I tell her I understand, that's wonderful, but please don't forget me. And then 10 minutes later, I see her sitting with dancer or other friends for a long time, and I'm thinking, wow, I must be horrible.
Thanks for salvaging my self-esteem, Mariah... now I know that it's just pride on their part!
(Or so I can tell myself.......)
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You ladies need to come up with a new money making idea to post here. I just noticed that all day long my post has been the latest one on this forum. And that is bad considering the only money I would ever be paid would be if someone tipped me to put my clothes back on! ;)
Re: Which is better money?
I think its best to see who you are inviting into the club in person,you might get some freaks or unemployed bums on a computer all day,go to events thatmen w/money attend sporting events, golf,conventions, and hand out a card w/ your name and schedule and maybe a free drink, get other girls together for safety and go give out a ton of cards.
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I think its best to see who you are inviting into the club in person,you might get some freaks or unemployed bums on a computer all day,go to events thatmen w/money attend sporting events, golf,conventions, and hand out a card w/ your name and schedule and maybe a free drink, get other girls together for safety and go give out a ton of cards.
A lot of freaks and unemployed bums show up at SCs, that's why we have security incase they get out of line. The guy's met online know just as much about us as the typical SC patrons... where we work.