I think the phrase welcome to the jungle would be more appropriate in this case.Quote:
Welcome to the game......
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I think the phrase welcome to the jungle would be more appropriate in this case.Quote:
Welcome to the game......
hey, at least someone inside the game can help her break in instead of her just jumping in totally and completely clueless. The-Kid I hope you feel as much indignation about an 18 year old stripper riding your lap! ;)Quote:
KALUA- Are you serious??? Did you read, actually READ
the posts of that naive, uninformed, barely literate
EIGHTEEN year old??? And you want to help her get
into prostitution? I am truly surprised and disgusted.
I have no problem with escorting for ADULTS who
voluntarily and knowingly decide to spend/make $
in that business. I have a lot of problems with it
when it involves teenagers(read CHILDREN)!!
I think you should be ashamed of yourself but
if your post was serious then you are either totally
shameless or just as silly and naive as Legend.
SAPPHIRE- I consider myself to be very open-minded
and very tolerant. Personally, I don't patronize escorts
but i don't have a problem with it FOR ADULTS!!! To me
that means over 21; not teenagers and YES for me
that applies to dancers too.
I don't think either area is appropriate for teenagers.
Dancing and escorting both create serious issues that
generally require some maturity to properly deal with.
Hello there the_kid. There's nothing wrong for supporting an 18 yr olds ambition. I'm sure every 21 yr old stripper or escort didn't start at 21. She DOESN'T want to be a prostitute she wants to escort. There are escorts who fuck and strippers who give extras. I didn't here you say anything about that. It good to voice your opinion, I can respect that. However it would be wrong to frown upon escorting when believe me, you can make it and still be legit. And if she does both and does it well she will be glad she took your advise for what it is......an opinion.
KALUA- With all due respect; it's a little more than just
an opinion. I've been around the skin biz for too long
and I KNOW too many dancers and a few massage
girls and even a few (gasp!) escorts. Let's be bluntly
factual- Escorts have sex for $. They have sex w/o
anything remotely resembling love. It's a business
or if you prefer, a profession. Just what sort of
clientele do you think is going to gravitate or be
interested in an eighteen year old GIRL?!? Common
sense says: mostly creeps and/or guys looking for
sex on the cheap. A barely literate EIGHTEEN year old
is NOT going to get near the very thin upper strata
of escorts who on very rare occasions are paid for
a few hrs. of non-sexual companionship. This elite
is college educated, multi-lingual, elegant and
sophisticated. They are usually in their mid-20's to
early 30's. For you or anyone else to seriously
suggest that LEGEND or any other 18 yr. old could
possibly compete in that tiny niche sector of the
escort scene is ridiculously absurd.
I'm trying to understand where you are coming from.
I know that 18 yr. olds legally strip. I just don't think
it's a very good idea. That's my opinion. If they do it
out of necessity ( single mother: trying to pay for
school) I admit I'm more tolerant w/o necessarily
approving.
BTW- I don't equate dancers who do extras with escorts. Another opinion, but for me it's a difference in
degree as opposed to a difference in kind.
Personally, I generally don't care for teenage dancers
all that much. They lack both experience and maturity.
But that's just my personal taste and preference.
Rather than prattle on ad nauseum- I think the bottom
line is that teens ought to be discouraged from escorting. Common sense alone says that it's a recipe
for a lot of trouble and heartache.
I have to say that I agree with Kid dead on. It's better to inform and be informed (for the original question) than to make judgments though.
So if still out there, here's my two cents on it.
From what I've seen, few escorts do "escorting" alone....those would be mistresses. Even the playboy types (or those who have in fact been in pb) end up getting paid for dinner alone. This is not the way it works in the escorting world....though the agencies sure do have a way of selling it, don't they ::)
Sure, can you bank? Yes. But unless you are comfortable saying yes to almost anyone and giving a major cut to the agency, and dealing with the risks of violation (rape, men who would like to beat the shit out of ya, etc), health risks, the law, and the toll it can take on ya - it's a world you should probably stay away from.
I don't know if this will help but I have a story to tell about a friend who started escorting.
Once upon a time... There was this beautiful blong girl who started to strip. She made lots of money but it started to get hard. She figured that the next best thing would be escorting. She always had to have the best of the best. On the outside she looked like she had it all but inside she was miserable. Quite Sad too see the girl she became. She told everyone she never fucked for money but everyone knew. She cought a disease and gave it her boyfriend who left her.
I saw her at the mall a didn't recognize her. The beautiful girl was no more. She aged so much for someone so young. I always wondered what happened that girl who danced and had a glow until she got greedy always wanting more.
Bren - That's so sad :( What did she catch? Anywaz, my take on escorting... I work with a girl who used to escort and her sister, who owns an escort business. Well, the first girl didn't sleep with anyone. She SAID she would, took the money first, said she was going to give it to her driver first, and then just took off. The second sister told me how easy it was to get arrested being an escort. If it's vice undercover and you even make it SOUND (this is CA) like you will sleep with the guy, they book you. It is just SO not worth it. Sure, the first girl lucked out... but she could have easily gotten raped. Luckily, she realized that and got out of the business before it happened. I respect myself too much to just sell myself to the highest bidder.
BELLA- How did your friend who made a habit out of
taking the money and running keep from getting
killed? Or beat up? How long was she able to get
away with her scam before her rep caught up with her?
If true, what she did was THEFT pure and simple.
I know one lady thats been escorting all her life, before escorting b/c the thing to call it, we all know what it really is. N-E-Way, she's been careful and smart and is happy, healthy, and actually well into middle age now. She no longer goes out, she runs the service, but she's been working for or running services since she was 19 years old. She's never been arrested, raped by a client, beaten or anything else horrible that people always say comes with the business.
She is a very smart person and has along the way held other jobs and has a college education and degrees. She is the exception and not the rule, but I don't want the original poster thinking every date you have wants to fuck you. Every client is not gonna try to rape or beat you. Same way that not every guy comes to the club to dance, some like to talk. She's given me more valuable information about the dancing game and men than I could've ever gotten elsewhere b/c knowing men is her trade. If this is something that you're seriously considering you need to do some research in your area and ask some questions. Call some agencies and call some independent girls in your area or find out where to go/look for the info that you need. Research is the first step in preparation to anything.
Thank you Devastating Divyne for writing the best post I've seen so far on escorting.
i do not like all this under 21 bashing going on. YES i will agree someone not properly informed or in it for the wrong reasons may not do good in the profession they choose but thats SOME people. There are plenty women over 21 who crew up just as much. It is all in your frame of mind. Not all people UNDER 21 are "barely literate ". I am 19 years old and have wanted to dance for a very long time. I took a year to get used to college and become informed. I have a great passion to dance and entertain. I set my grounds and feel i will do well because of my maturity and do not wish to hear this bs about not being ready because of age. It's all in the individual
and if someone wants to reply and correct me on my grammar and literacy than go ahead. I am 19 ,"underage",and do not care about perfecting my thoughts on the forum. My message is understood regardless.
SILKY- Some folks like yourself KNOW better yet insist on learning the hard way. Just what activity do you
think you are emotionally and intellectually mature
enough to handle at age 19? Topless dancing?
Nude dancing? Nude dancing with contact? Escort?
You seriously contend that generally someone doing such work would perform better and handle the issues
that go with such work regardless of their age????
Do you think it's a good idea for 18 and 19 yr. olds
to pose nude or do porn? Legally, they can do so
being over the age of consent but as a practical
matter do you seriously think it's a good idea?
These are serious decisions that often have serious long-term impacts and I just can't see older
teenagers making them as wisely and thoughtfully
as women who are a little older.
stripping but to each his own ....just remember to be careful in whatever you do
At 19, i know i want to be an EXOTIC DANCER. I was raised very well and have too much respect for my inner and outer self body to sell myself short.What makes this 21 one year old so much more mature and ready than a 19 year old? There are PLENTY of old AND young women who start and screw up...Like Cash said... each to their own. I personally am a strong individual that has set my goals and how to achieve them. My age will not stop me
We have very mature 15 year old girls out in the world as well. 19 is not too young to make a decision. 18 is not either. 18 you are considered an adult.
I have made the statement that 21 would be a better age, only because i was thinking of myself, i started dancing at 21, and wow...what i thought, was not what i got.
I speak for myself on the age topic. 21 around here seems to be the age that clubs are shooting for, as is drinking now. I think that had me thinking the whole 21 age factor as well.
If your of legal age, and feel you can do it, go for it. Some 18 year olds are much more mature than alot of 30 year old dancers i dealt with.
Luck & safety,
Pamela
I agree with "to each his own" but IMHO- teenagers,
regardless of their maturity level ( and the immaturity
of many who are over 21) ought not be doing sex
work of any kind. I don't think it's healthy for them
or for the clubs.
SILKY- intending no disrespect to you or the other
ladies who read this bd.- Is exotic dancing your
ULTIMATE aim in life? Is that as high as you want to aspire? I ask the Q because if it is, and you have done nothing to prepare y-self for a life after dancing
you will end up being very sorry. Sad to say, many clubs today don't like having dancers who are over
30, let alone pushing or past 40( btw I neither like
nor agree with such a policy but it's out there).So the
obvious question for you is - What will you be doing
AFTER your dancing career is over? Again, w/o intending any disrespect, you ,yourself are aware of your educational shortcomings. Do you honestly
think that big-spenders are going to be inclined
to spend serious time and money on an under-
educated NINETEEN yr. old w/o hoping or expecting
serious extras? If so, then I respectfully submit
that you are very naive.
Whatever you do, I wish you well and ask that you
be careful out there.
i have stated before that i am in college working on a degree as well . A guy that wants extras can go screw himself because i have a great personality with lots of ambitions besides dancing and feel they will not just think of me as extras because of age. I know things can be bad and the unexpected can occur. You have to be ready for that in any situation.
SILKY- I apologize for misreading your post of 11/2.
It appeared that you had dropped out of college and
set your sights on dancing. I'm glad that you're still
in school and respectfully suggest that you focus your
time and energy there as opposed to dancing
The-Kid, i respect and understand what you are saying but i have always wanted to dance. This isnt a last resort job i am trying to pursure because i am a broke college student. This is my passion and what i have really set my heart on doing...as well as keeping my grades up. Plus, i do need to work either way so school can not be my only focus.My goals are to work at a topless gentlemens club to perform. I feel as though my interest and dedication in everything I want to do...dancing and school will help me to succeed and deal with both postive and negative aspects of my life. Since i am in the stripping/escorting statement... i would like to say again if thats what you wanna do than so be it we are all different. I am not into having sex with men for money (no matter what the price) so that job would not be for me. People may argue that once i see the money it will change.... but i actually have had the offer you dont have to be in the club atmoshere to experiance that(although in the club it will be a better offer) I have firmly set my limits and goals and have always been one to stick to them.Anyway you's are all beautiful and i do appreciate your tips and advice,,, i just like to communicate my thoughts and feelings towards dancing because they are strong.
If you are trying to decide either one, I'd pick stripping. Escorting is just another front for prostitution. No one is going to continuously pay you to just sit there with them. They want some ass, they want some head. If you aren't comfortable doing that then it's not for you.
Now Legend, you and I are damn near the same age. What is possessing you to even seek information about the escorting business. Does the idea of meeting a man you don't know in a hotel room appealing to you? If it is you seriously have issues dear.
You should be more focused on your EDUCATION!! Are you even in school? What do you plan to do with your life?
i dont agree with escorting but that doesn't mean that its wrong alot of people don't agree with me stripping down to my thongs for money but that does not mean that it wrong as i said before to each his own ...just be careful when you do whatever ...in life everything comes with a risk just for you to decide if you wanna take that risk ...and i totally disagree with the "bashing" (so to speak) of 18 year olds..... i know alot of 18 year old who are more mature than 21 year old ...this has nothing to do with age but individuality....i.e. i've been on my own since i was 17 and am able to take care of myself and my bills better than alot of 30 year olds who still live a home with their parents...i don't agree with it but i'm not gonna try to discourage any one jut telling the the truth what goes on is good enough....if whosoever wants to do whatsoever just be carefull and be informed that way you wont be surprised when ou go out there
.......my $0.02
CASH- Assuming that the "bashing of 18 yr. olds" was
at least an oblique reference to me and some of what I have had to say- let me ask you a question. Without having met them and without knowing more about them
would you honestly encourage an 18 yr. old to be a stripper or an escort? My argument has simply been
that the "average; typical" teenager is not equipped
either intellectually or emotionally for any aspect of the
"skin-biz" andthat they should be encouraged to take
advantage of other opportunities and discouraged
from doing things that MAY: MIGHT do them more harm
than good. Let me ask you another question? Why is it
that (generally speaking) the dancers that are most secure about themselves and what they do TEND to be
somewhat older and they TEND to be more successful
than most of their younger colleagues? I would argue
that their maturity and more varied and broader life
experience goes a long way in helping them handle a
difficult profession.
If I had a daughter or younger sister and she told me she wanted to dance- you know what I would do? I'd
take her to a club and let her watch and see for herself
AND I'd have her talk to as many dancers as possible.
Then I'd know that she was rejecting other alternatives
on something resembling an informed basis.
I grant you that there are a few teens who could handle
this business w/o any serious or lonfg lasting ill effects.
I just think that the average teen should "WAIT". In our
modern instant gratification world the word "WAIT" has
somehow become a dirty four letter word.
The Kid, people are individuals, regardless of their age. I wouldn't encourage anyone I didn't know to dance. I would encourage some eighteen year olds. I wouldn't encourage some twenty five year olds. Older dancers do well because they've been doing it longer.
Lena