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holiday - do you go about all of this in the legal sense? like filling out all the paperwork to establish a business and all that? i'm unsure if you'd even have to do it, but wondering!!
i had posted a similiar thread over the summer regarding doing personal shows and didn't get too many helpfull responses...basically got a lot of "i would never!", etc....to each there own right! if we know that we're not having sex with them than that's our business...
in my club, i know for a fact that many customers would practically give there left nut for a private show - plus the fact that they'd get to release themselves at the end, hell yeh...ya figure some of these guys go in a club and blow 2-3 hundred on lap dances alone, of course they rather spend the cash on something like we're offering!!
anways, good luck and keep safe!
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My first year as a dancer was spent doing private outcall dances for an escort service in Utah. Because Utah is so strict, the agency I worked for was glad to have a legal gal to to send to the new clients in downtown hotels. In the beginning I had a driver but no bouncer. The driver sat in the car. Later, I went alone and was fine with that. I had a few problems but nothing I couldn't handle. The booking girl made it clear it was a striptease service and there was no sex but all the agencies said that. The tricks know better and of course they all want and hope for sex.
My routine:
I'd go in well made up, with heels, very nice dress and a small satchel to hold my stuff. Right away I would get the money ($90 No Refunds), explaining I had to call in. By the way we also had to get his ID which he always willingly gave AND he had to sign a contract stating he knew NO SEX and all the laws which he always signed too :) On rare occasion a client would cancel because of no sex and just let me keep the $90. On other very rare occasions the agency would actually instruct me to refund his money but that was only for their regular clients. After I had called the agency, I would chat with the fella for awhile. I noticed the classier I dressed and acted the nicer he would be. Also, the longer we talked the less I had to fend him off so I would talk as long as possible. When it came time to do 'something' I would pull out a hand-held cassette player and start an hours worth of soothing sexy music, have him sit or lay down on the bed, and then I would turn off all the lights. Next, I would go in the bathroom to change.
While in the bathroom I would assemble and light two candle sticks in holders. (votives in jars melt and dont harden in time to leave) I have also used a small black light which I left on in the room while changing. After changing into an elaborate lingerie outfit, I turned out the bathroom light, grabbed the candles and made a dramatic entrance back into the room. From there it was usually easy. I would dance but not allow any physical contact without a tip. (This pissed off the agency btw) I'd usually get $50 - $100 no questions asked. I would allow some touching of breasts and ass but not of 'no-no spot'. I would change a couple of times in the bathroom always leaving the music running. He was free to relieve himself. If he asked i would have to say no because it is illegal in utah but otherwise I wouldnt stop him and I actually encouraged it by unzipping and placing his hand in proximity without actually saying anything.
This arrangement worked fine for me. Drawbacks were lots of clients used drugs like coke or meth and you never knew what you would walk into. Could be a girl from another service, or cops, or more people than was stated. Plus being "on call" truly sucks. Otherwise the money is great and doing it solo cuts out the creepy agency, the sleazy regs, and the "on call" factor. My biggest worries were the spooky parking lot at 4 am. I also dreaded running out of batteries or matches/lighter or candles, so I always brought extras.
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Thanx for that Vanilla, you have given me a few ideas....
I have made up my mind now and decided that i will do it, thankyou everybody for your input.
HOLIDAY i was wondering, do you get a lot of responses from your adds in the yellow pages? What do you say on your adds?... thanx
Seraya.
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As far as paper work goes..I have just filed my taxes as a small business...deductions for costumes, advertising, etc..It has worked fine for me. I have had someone else do them..so I'm not super sure of the specifics on the top of my head..The ad in the phone book for me is just a bold line with the name ********** and website addy and phone to call. The guys WILL go right down the list and call..The phonebook ad sales person wanted to have me make a big one. But in my area there are really only 3 of us..plus one bikini club that does outcall for there girls..and yes the other outcalls ..2 for sure I know do escorting..from talking to the owners..lol.omg. We look for a higher quality of girls..which is hard to come by around here..I want the glam fantasy girl look the other agencies..pretty much use any warm body..if you know what I mean... I prefer that the girl has been a dancer in a club so that she has learned to handle herself a little in that adult lapdance ect..setting. It is hard to train a new girl..it can be very scary doing outcall for the first time..even I get nervous still. This site is a great place for someone to come to pick up tips..I am going to recommend it to any girl who calls who really hasn't danced before..Anyways..The other outcall agencies only 1 has a website...and well..I can't put it on here I am not sure if it would be right to do but it would show you what the guys would have to choose from around here. PLUS..even though I do know some girls who have gone alone after a while of doing it..I for one will never allow myself or any girl to go alone..who works with me. There's always that ONE asshole in the bunch..who turns wacko..I for one don't want to be on the end of that..or be responsible for sending a girl to a show who get's killed or raped.
HOLIDAY...la la la
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Sounds cool Holiday! But how is going through an agency any different then going alone, if you still have a friend with you, make a call to someone who knows what time you are to be out of their etc.
I do my parties alone, and with good success! I am very careful as well as you i a sure, no one gets a cut of money.
And a "wacko" takes only 10 seconds or less to do damage, before anyone can stop him. No matter who knows we are there.
It's a risk in clubs, and out, always.
But i don't do massage, i dance and do shows, no rubbing the body. I like to perform while they watch.
Pamela
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Originally Posted by HolidayOnStage link=board=10;threadid=4210;start=msg62135#msg6213 5 date=1073838193
PLUS..even though I do know some girls who have gone alone after a while of doing it..I for one will never allow myself or any girl to go alone..who works with me. There's always that ONE asshole in the bunch..who turns wacko..I for one don't want to be on the end of that..or be responsible for sending a girl to a show who get's killed or raped.
HOLIDAY...la la la
I agree with you on that Holiday.
I was surprised, however, at how few problems I had with the clients compared to the driver/bodyguards. When I first started I did not have a car so I was forced to rely on drivers. I quickly learned that the drivers provided by the agency were no better than the customers. I ended up running my own newspaper ad for a driver and finally found a nice old man who didn't drive like a maniac, or drink on the job or want to trade out his fee for sex. Once I had my own car I was glad to be done with it but I don't think I would recommend it to others especially new girls.
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I agree Pamela ..it does take 2 seconds for a wacko to pull crap..no matter who is outside waiting..I don't know. I guess us girls just have to do as much as we can to deture..the most of them from pulling stuff...most hubby's and business men wouldn't want to be found out..if you know what I mean. True we can't stop all of them..in clubs or private. I just hope that we all stay safe and never have to run into a bullshit situation. Just dance, get the money, and go home and eat ice cream and watch a movie..just like any other normal chick does. :)
Vanilla..I haven't run into any perv bouncers yet..freekin figures they wanted sex for pay..lol..It's sucky how sometimes life backs you up against a wall and you have to somehow make it through that bullshit..(no car, going without necessities ect..). Been there and their are always dogs waiting to pounce on you when your down. Male and Female..A-HOLES!!
Holiday
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Yea, agency or solo, are biggest concern should be our safety, not the $$$ when it comes to private shows. It's tough, and scarey at times as well.
Pamela
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.... I don't know maybe I'm nut's but it work's. An extra $100 bucks for sex is not worth me getting AIDS, Herpies, and other nasty crap....
even with a condom you can still get stuff. Condoms only can block to 1 micron, AIDS is .o5 microns. then theres crabs. also HPV, or genital warts, you can have it and not even know, and there is no test for guys, but it dosnt really hurt them. it hurts us girls, it is associated with cancer of the cervix, thats why they have pap smears. so it dosnt matter if its for money or just fun be careful. thats just my little rant on that..... i have more info on HPV if anyone is intrested msg me.
I used to work for an incall service. it was the first one i called and they said flat out "nothing illeagl" when i asked what they did. it was nice not haveing to hustle but i also didnt get a stage which kinda sucked. the guys came in, picked a girl and we told them to "get comfortable" they got naked we danced eye candy style and they got off, then they cleaned up and left, mostly even before the end of the session. All of our ads calls us a lingerie modles. technacily thats what we did. we would model a bra and panties for one price, or maybe just panites for a little more, or even just our shoes if they paid the full price, thats what most got. we only had one guy ever who left because we told him up front that we wouldnt give him sex. most left because they didnt have the cash on them (we didnt take cc). but a good chunk of them came back fairly quickly. I even had a regular who just wanted to rub my shoulders. that was nice.
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Originally Posted by ami link=board=10;threadid=4210;start=msg62961#msg6296 1 date=1074103928
even with a condom you can still get stuff. Condoms only can block to 1 micron, AIDS is .o5 microns. then theres crabs. also HPV, or genital warts...
So true so true. That is the flat reality of it and every guy who solicits sex is high risk because he obviously has sex with prostitutes. My question is why give the guy sex when 9 times out of 10 you can get a good tip without sex? Unless a girl is charging $500+ she's probably getting ripped off. Even then, I still occasionally get $500 tips from coke heads who couldn't get it up with a crane and Viagra: they just want company at 4 am. So as far as I am concerned there is no reason to provide sex unless a girl is going for serious high dollars. In that case, her mileage should be quite low and the men less likely to be the type to have $20 sex with high risk streetwalkers. A girl who charges "a grand for a grand time" will likely have fewer clients and make more money all at the same time.
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the guys came in, picked a girl and we told them to "get comfortable" they got naked we danced eye candy style and they got off, then they cleaned up and left, mostly even before the end of the session.
Since there are PLENTY of guys who are willing to do this, I don't see any reason to do it any other way, either incall or outcall. Incall is also great for under 21 girls since they usually only need to be 18 to do this type of work. Also it's a safe secure environment to learn in.
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Originally Posted by vanilla_dog link=board=10;threadid=4210;start=msg63391#msg6339 1 date=1074212893
Even then, I still occasionally get $500 tips from coke heads who couldn't get it up with a crane and Viagra: they just want company at 4 am.
hahahahaha that was sooooo funny! ;D
Anyhow, wanted to add that what Holiday is describing is not unusual in her neck of the woods (pun intended ;) )
She is in no way ripping anybody off.
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I plan to start doing private shows. But I'm not sure if I should work for myself or an agency. I've been hired by an agency but I haven't returned the paperwork. I wouldn't have a problem finding my own customers. My concern is safety. I don't have a male friend to go with me if I do it on my own. I thought going through an agency would be safer. But from what I'm reading, I'm not sure how much of a difference it makes, especially if they don't send a bouncer. From what you ladies say you rarely have problems. Also screening calls, have you ever refused anyone because they gave you the creepies? I'm trying to figure out how to go about this, if I do it on my own.
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I do this on my own. I have the same security any co. can offer. You NEED another person you can trust involved though.
Also, customers don't know if you are coming from an agency or not, if you run an add the proper way. I always have a friend there, girl or guy, plus make a phone call that will call me when my time is up. The guys are aware of this, and that many people know where i am and what time i leave.
I get asked alot if i work for an agency, i don't and they should see this, i go by word of mouth, and a very small add in a weekly paper that is put out about 40 pages thick. (the paper is that thick, i have all of about 15 words in my add.)
If a guy is going to go off, he's going to go off. Having a second person there will usually help prevent this, no 100% safety, no matter what.
Pamela
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Thanks Pamela.
I'd prefer doing private shows because it takes a lot less time than a shift at a club. But I have to give all of this some thought.
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a lot of escorts use that type of speak and some do well but a lot will end up on other message boards as a waste of money and that could well dry up the proverbial well of cashflow. better to be open I know an escort that does not have sex and commands 10,000.00 per night bur she is well educated speaks 5 languages and is truly a sight to behold and most of her clients are over 60 and they just want some special eye candy for the evening.
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Cash- $10,000 a night for just eye-candy & con-versation!?!?!?- Yes it happens, but rich , lonely
"sugar daddies" willing to shell out like that w/o
getting some sexual healing in return are few and far
between. The "Pretty Woman" scenario has been known to happen on rare occasions too, but so what?
Both are very remote from the usual and typical
escort experience.
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a lot of escorts use that type of speak and some do well but a lot will end up on other message boards as a waste of money and that could well dry up the proverbial well of cashflow.
Better than ending up on some message board as a legitimate *Service Provider* where all the details of your sexual encounter are revealed for all the world to see...forever! Vice cops...the IRS...the Feds...
In Salt Lake City a couple of *Independant* escorts recently got busted in a sting after vice answered one of their online ads. One is facing multiple felonies. The Message Board that reviewed them as legitimate now strongly advises it's readers to avoid them (fear of being set up)
Between the two I'd rather be reviewed as a rip - off. I can't imagine what these Independant escorts are thinking.
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Whatever you decide please be careful. I just read about an escort that was strangled by a customer. He called the cops after he killed her. He said it was either her or me and he wanted to do it for over a year. By the way, she had a driver outside waiting for her. Some help he was.
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this happened in san antonio texas in december
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Chances are probably better that an Escort or Private Dancer will be assaulted or strangled by their boyfriend or husband than by a customer. Just my 2 cents
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As sad as that sounds, it is so true! I've worked at the Family Violence Law Center long enough to know how true that statement is! :(
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can you really get business nowadays by just doing your own strip/escort?
i thought that everybody (clients) expect sex or sexual activity if you are an escort..
or maybe times has changed again? i dont know..
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AZN- if you're doing a private strip, many customers will
ask for specials and extras BUT with a little screening
and by having a security person with you there is little if any chance of your doing something you don't want to do.
With escorting-sex will be expected by almost every
customer.Dates without sex are not unheard of but
they are rare and not typical at all.I'll give you the
same advice I've given others- think twice before
getting into escorting and then think again.As long as
you're sure you can handle the work & everything that goes with it-give it a try.If you're not 100% sure then
DON'T do it.
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I suggest ignoring all the replies from the men who tell you sexless escorting does not exist. I know they mean well but since they have never done it they really don't know what they are talking about. No offense guys!
Sexless escorting does exist. It is not a myth. From Femdom to Adult Baby to a whole lot of freaky shit in between the demand for female attention is strong.
Maybe not in San Francisco...but if you really want to find a good agency to work for there go to TER. Look for girls labeled *ripoffs* and then note the agency they work for. In fact..here you go
http://theeroticreview.com/reviews/ripoffs.html
Here's the thing. In all my time as a sexless escort there were really very few who were unhappy that I didn't provide sex. Like maybe 5 out of around a thousand dates. Those johns who post on boards and get pissed when they don't get sex are a total minority.Many times I was complimented because I put on a show and made an effort.
Now..you won't make the $500 tips unless it's femdom, adult baby or some other speciallty but you will still make good cash.
EDIT: Due to questions regarding TER I am editing this post to give more detail on how to use that board...
After selecting *ripoffs* go to your city. Reviews will be listed by most recent. Starting at the top go down the list and click VIEW for each.
For example: at the time of this posting "Brittany" was most recent so I start with her. Clicking VIEW brings me to her General Information . First entry in that chart is Agency but she is Independant so we go back to the reviews and pick the next girl..."Delyla". Her agency info lists "Driver" meaning Independant again. So back to the list. Next is Elizabeth and her info lists...BINGO! An agency!
Now look at the top of her page under "Elizabeth's Profile - RIPOFF!" There is her website. That website takes us to
http://lovings.com/mainmenu.php.
That looks like a good agency just by looking at all the stuff they offer. So give em a call! And let us know how it goes! And remember for the most part : fat, ugly, saggy boobs, took money and ran etc. usually means...didn't suck me or fuck me. Take all of that negative commentary with a big grain of salt.
And do not get sucked into wanting to get good reviews on TER or any message board. For more on the downfalls of TER go here http://www.sexwork.com/whatisnew/terbad.html
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Vanilla- I don't want to get into an argument with you
so let's assume there is some sort of misunderstanding
or miscommunication going on. When I talk about the
myth of escorting w/o sex I am referring to the ridiculously unrealistic expectation of a few poorly
informed people that there are a lot of rich, lonely men
out there willing to pay hundreds and maybe 1000's
of dollars for nothing more than going out to dinner
and/or sitting & talking. Does such activity take place?
It's not unheard of; it's been known to happen BUT
it is not typical and it is unusual.
The activity YOU seem to be talking about seems to be
quite different indeed and there does appear to be
a sexual aspect to it albeit short of actual sexual
intercourse.Are there men out there who will pay $
for a domination session or to be diapered, powdered
& botttle-fed (just to mention 2 possibilities)? Sure there are. Are there agencies that have women to
cater to these tastes? Yes. That is what I assume
you're referring to when you post about "sexless
escorting". If I am mistaken, please enlighten me.