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More slow days than busy ones
Every club seems to be slow more often than it is busy everywhere. It keeps getting worse and worse. And less over 35 year old men and more and more women and twenty something guys.
Traditional businesses that are as sluggish businesswise as strip clubs would close down.
I am getting very discouraged with the club business now. You can't live on sporadic business. Clubs shouldn't have to depend on tourists and business travelers unless it's in Nevada. A city of millions of people should have enough customers to keep the clubs busy even when out of town travelers are down.
I think men are just burnt out with strip clubs and the upscaling of clubs in the nineties with Champagne rooms, VIP rooms and more expensive dances along with dancers being insensitive to the customers and just seeing them as walking ATMs is a big part of the problem.
Lots of good customers who used to come into clubs I work at just aren't around anymore.
Things are not going to get better. You can say that December is slow because of Christmas, January is slow because guys are broke, Easter is slow because of family and tax time, summer is slow because of family vacations, holiday weekends are slow because of family, and in the farming areas, harvest time is slow and planting time is slow.
At that rate, when is this business good? People should always have time to go out for a drink and some fun. Clubs obviously are not that enjoyable to guys anymore.
What do you think? :-\
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Re:More slow days than busy ones
yeah, I've noticed there's always a reason why any time is "slow", and it's true you shouldn't rely on business travelers, but you can't deny that guys are more likely to go out when they are out of town than in town....I mean, what else are they going to do at night? Also, it's still the place guys will think of going when they want to celebrate something or spend time together. So there is definitely a steady stream of business there.
But one of the downfalls was the sluggish economy, and that's picking up...so there's hope there!
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tina i agree 100% i prefer the over 30yr old customer to the 25 yr old.. or even a female for that matter.. because they dont spend.. most women that i have met just sit watch and make nasty comments. same with young men...
they dont seem to know exactly how good they got it.. and unfortunatly it is getting worse.. i think stripping is on its way out.. all that will be left is the nastys and strip clubs will turn into whore houses..
it doesen help that the economy is down either
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I've been thinking that the hidden dirty allure of stripclubs has gone away.. Most people are related to or know someone who is a dancer. Television, movies, and magazines show half & fully naked bodies as a general matter of course, and talk shows, magazine articles, countless books and forums like ours have exposed the world to what goes on , not only in the dressing rooms, but in our individual minds............In order to keep a guy interested you have to be a bit mysterious, and while thats something I love about the dancers from the 50's/60's I can't really say that our industry today has that seductive inaccesable feel to it.
WE value most what we can't have and don't understand. Have we given away too much??
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Well, I barely started and I must say I'm making more money now then I ever did. What was it like before? My club does tend to attract the buiseness type though. A lot of doctors on their nights off, and engineers. We get the young ones too, but I'd have to say the older ones dominate my club in numbers. I too prefer dancing for older men. spend more, nicer, easier to talk to.
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From what I've heard from fellows I know, a lot of them are turned off by strip clubs more and more because the women at the clubs just aren't nice. In fact, they don't even pretend to be nice anymore. I've been told that the strippers in one club in Wisconsin Dells pretty much roughly beat you with their breasts and manhandle you. I thought they were joking until I went there as part of a birthday party a couple months ago and found out they weren't lying. My neck was sore for a couple days from the rough treatment I got there. I have no desire to go back to that club. And after almost the entire party moved away from the stage to avoid being physically abused by the strippers on it, the discussion centered on how this is the situation at strip clubs all over now. All the guys telling how rare it is that a stripper is ever nice to a patron anymore.
Another thing I hear from the guys is that they now hear in the media over and over how strippers hate and despise the men that go to the clubs. How strippers view them as undesireable and wouldn't think of dating them. As shown on this forum, that's pretty much true and has probably always been the case. It is just that now the media is letting guys know this truth and the guys are just not wanting to go where they're not liked. The older the men are, the less they now seem to want to go to strip clubs because of this. Young guys don't much care what the strippers think as the young guys just view strippers as worthless sex toys to be tossed away when they've had their fill of eye candy. Sadly ... or maybe as form of cosmic poetic justice ... young guys are viewing strippers as strippers view them ... something inferior.
The third thing that I hear is turning off guys is the skyrocketing prices that clubs are now charging. And it isn't because the guys I know are poor. Just the opposite. It's just that they don't see they're getting something nice for their money for the two reasons above. Steadily rising prices for everything and anything in the club as well as strippers that only talk money simply isn't appealing to men. Men are steadily realizing that strippers just view them as walking ATMs. Men might just be wising up.
Lastly, I see more and more often how guys that go to strip clubs alone are put down by other guys as being pathetic losers ... or worse. Going to strip clubs as part of a party group is still socially acceptable. As a group, you're going there for just some light entertainment, laughs, and fun. Going to a strip club alone is viewed as a sad commentary on one's social life. The only exception to this being if you go alone to one on a business trip. Whether that's fair and accurate is besides the point. It's now being said outloud and to the face of loner club goers and that could also contribute to lower attendence at strip clubs. And the above reasons (especially the media informing guys that strippers don't find them worthy of them) is just more ammo with which to put down loner club goers.
As for how to improve this situation, I don't think individual strippers can. If ... and let me repeat that ... IF anyone can, the clubs themselves might be able to. Too many clubs seem to hire strippers on looks alone and don't care about their personality ... or even if the stripper has one. I think they don't understand the importance of repeat business and how that is the key to success. And I don't think it has ever dawned on strip clubs to even ask themselves: "Why don't we have more regular customers?" To say nothing about asking: "And what can we do to make more regular customers?" If clubs did, I think strippers would have to not only audition on the stage for their job but pass a sit-down interview. During the interview, the club manager asking himself: "Do I like talking to this woman? Is she personable and friendly? Has she shown the ability to learn and recall names of people I introduce her to? Does she seem to like or hate men? Is she fresh or jaded?" The clubs probably should even put strippers on probation to see if they can attract a steady following (a.k.a. regular customers). The ones that can attract a steady following getting first choice on hours they'd like to work and/or possibly their fees reduced to keep them working there.
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Re:More slow days than busy ones
Tina,
The economy sucks.
I'm thirty, i attend clubs on a semi regular basis (Like once every couple months, maybe twice) i make sure and have at least a thousand dollars to make sure and not drop all of. If i have even a ten after, i'm a happy man since i didn't go over my limit. Well, you know, i have to also pay for my false teeth, my hairdresser to properly curl my long hair on the right over my egg bald head, my grow your penis from 3 inches to 1 foot herbal medication, the boils on my feet, and my constant proctologist appointments, my facial boils taken care of, my mental insanity treatments, and my Crack addiction therapists, and my restraining orders that every single Dancer in the states of Missouri, Illinois, Tennesee, Texas, and Rhoade Island have against me {How could they ALL have been blind to my love?} As long as those are fine, and i have enough water bill paid to take a shower every third saturday of every month, i'm cool.
Okay, i'm kidding. I just have a ten year old son to support, and i don't drop a thousand in a SC. I'm okay, but not the 1,000$-payday-in-a-night-for-you okay.
I tend to do okay, though. I CAN drop a substantial amount of money in a SC and not hurt myself. I am in the information technology field and i'm quite good. I'm also fairly charming, i'm told (by women other than Strippers, *hint guys* never fully trust a stripper at work when she says you are charming. OR that you have pretty eyes, another thing i'm told over and over again. Which is one of the REALLY good thing i have going for me physically. Yes, strippers tell me that as well. Why can't i have a great chest and arms and ugly eyes?)
*shakes fist at GOD*
No, i'm kidding. I'm one hundred percent cool with myself. I actually kind of dig myself. I try not to be arrogant, but I think i'm one alright cat.
I bust my ass and bust my ass and bust my ass and bust my ass. I STILL dont make enough.
I drive a '95 Mustang. This is the serious part of my assinine sense of humor, no i don't have boils, or a crack habit or mental problems (that i know of, knock on wood. Knock Knock), and i have no legal trouble to speak of outside of a traffic ticket for doing 98 MPH to get around a truck (I actually went to jail for that), or anything else i horrified you with a second ago (Not).
The economy is TANKING. No one is making money. That is why you (by tricklefall) arent getting as much of it.
Now i'd imagine (NOTE: This is from a really freaked out customer's point of view) that this WILL mean clubs closing. People WILL go under. And, the Exotic Dancing buisiness WILL get raunchier to get the shorter supply of cash. What does this mean for the non-raunchy Dancers? Dental school. Or Paralegal school, or (fuck) for some of them probably McDonalds (Although I can teach information technology real.... cheap.... just mail [email protected] for more info 8) ).
Unless something turns up again and we start seeing some economic growth (which those of you NOT spending your hard grinded cash on herion have a part, that is sadly not a joke, though i doubt any hardcore junkies or crackheads have computers so i don't think i'm really talking to any now).
Look, a lot of people aren't as lucky as I. I have a fucking job. I can drop 350$ on a Dancer (Though i will not drop 5 cents on an extra blowjob, many fucktards will, and they'll drop a LOT more than 5 cents).
See what i mean? If the Economy tanks further, expect a lot more skin from you to make cash.
And i'm not trying to talk you into showing MORE skin, but less, or at least not having to ride some asshole with his pants on while he feels your Breasts.
It's sad, but it's true. It represents the end of this industry as we know it. It's already getting weirder and weirder. Last summer i had a woman put me on a funky saddle looking thing and stuff her pussy in my face as if she wanted me to gobble away. I fucking ran the second i could (To use an analogy i used in my last post, why take the 90th lick off the tootsie roll pop)?
Is there a bright side?
Sure.
Get the fucking economy up and running so that everyone is making money and the Dancers don't have to suck a dick to get a 100$ tip. Bring it back to the good old days when if someone tipped a dancer 40$ on-stage she would just smile happy, rather than SMILE HAPPY AND LET THE GUY SEE HER TONSILS THROUGH HER SPREAD LEGS AND SPEND THE GODDAMNED NIGHT WITH HIM (Look, i just grabbed an amout and an example from nowhere, so please don't get offended, i honestly dunno what the good old days cost).
I dunno what do do.
But.
You do have one weapon.
You don't like the way things are going?
Vote.
My advice is vote Democrat, prefferably, in my view, John Kerry (Though only my choice, though get me started and i can go on and on and on and on. Clark is cool, too. But Howard Dean is doctor assisted suicide. Dean = four more years of assholes).
Republicans only like to see you naked and then deny they ever did it to anyone in the world unless it's to your face (or possibly on an anonymous website), and even then they'll deny it to everyone ELSE.
Ask yourself this.... During the '96 campaign Bob Dole was running against PRESIDENT CLINTON, meaning he'd been campaigning for damn near two years, said he'd never seen the film "Forrest Gump". Who in the name of GOD had not seen Forrest Gump by 1995? He praised it in. He hailed it as a paragon of filmmaking, but admitted that he'd, at the time of the speech about hollywood he gave in 1996 (a year into his campaign) never actually seen the film, only heard of it and seen some clips. Forrest Gump was on pay per view in every hotel nationwide in '96 and late '95.
Hotels also have porno.
So ask yourself this, if this motherfucker was campaigning for president. Staying in 200 hotels in states all across the country. STILL he'd never seen Forrest Gump! This fucking movie is STILL on pay per view in hotels?
So how is it that a man can campaign for president, stay in 200 hotels, and still never have seen Forrest Gump?
What was he watching, then? Barney?
What was he admitting to was Independance Day, he called it a GREAT flick, wanna guess why he tore himself away from Romancing the Bone in his hotel room? Um, could the moniker "Independence Day" hold a clue?
One problem he saw with movies was the high body counts. Um, anyone have independance Day on tape or DVD? How many people die? Here's a hint, WAY more than those that die in Natural Born Killers. What does it equal when every major city on earth is demolished and the last stand has to be taken over GROOM FUCKING LAKE NEVADA? Billions dead, that's what. And you SEE a few glimpses of that horror in the film. New York, L.A....
Sounds pretty fucking violent to me.
Yet it's, according to him a "Paragon of virtue."
But yet he never once actually mentioned anything in the film! He only talked about it's theme. The President saves the day, nationalism, it's July 4th! FIREWORKS!
My opinion is that the old fuck looked at as much porno as he could while Elizabeth Dole wasn't around. Fuck Independance Day! He was thinking Savanna (Well, she was dead by then, but whatever Porn star he was jerking his good arm to watching the Porn in his hotel rooms!
Look, you guys aren't porno. But some think you are. You know that.
Whether hardcore republicans visit you or not, what do you think they say to other republicans who visit you? Not that any of them admit it to any others other than over beer and strippers.
These people have no respect at all for you.
Send the economy back up, customers make money, you make money.
Vote your conscience. VOTE. You wanna change things? You can't singlehandedly, but you can be a part!
You wanna vote Republican, vote republican. I hate the idea of anyone i incite to vote voting republican, but i'd sure rather you vote than not vote.
Hey, you'll be helping ME have more money to ask you to give me an unenjoyable (for you, as i have learned in my 24 hours here) Lap Dance, i can act like a "Pathetic Loser" and tip you at the stage, or for talking to me for a while... In other words, if i and the rest of the customers (them more than I, since i'm kinda intimidated by the whole SC thing but still go to be a part when i can make myself tread the line between objectification and Admiration, because i like to admire beautiful women).
In fact, sweets, these days i'm not surprised that you have more slow days than not. And i bet MORE women are even now thinking of those awful 'extras' to bring little Johnny home his Rice Krispies so that he can go to school and make tomorrow a better day. You got me? Not talking 'bout you. Don't know anything about you.
But we got to shift things here. This is bad.
PS: Other films Bob Dole admitted he had never seen in the 96 election were "The Lion King," and, "True Lies." he,however, claimed to have seen "Natural Born Killers" and called it a "Nightmare of depravity." How the fuck is it that one can stay a paragon of virtue and yet in 1996 has never seen the fucking LION KING?
I guess his plate was full with "Rambone" while Lizzie Dole was away.
Also, i support the troops. I think they are doing the right thing... following their president's orders. I think they were lied to. We were told that we knew how many weapons of mass destruction Iraq had down to the LITRE. Now doesn't it strike you as funny that we can know something like that before the war and yet not fine a HAIR of WMD six months later? Our boys and girls are fighting and dying for nothing, in MY opinion. As for you, make your own.
P.P.S.~ I suppose i can get political again if people want me to, but as of now this is it.
P.P.P.S~ I wonder how some Republican would try to bring out the stripper vote for dubbya. Would he or she even admit having entered such a 'den of sin?'
Edit: Several times trying to make this post non political as well as share my political opinion. What i have come up with so far is that the top part is fairly non-political while the bottom part is my opinion backed up by such facts as i can name.
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Re:More slow days than busy ones
Pumpkin pie, I agree with you about dancers needing training in dealing with customers in order to gain repeat business.
These clubs act as if they don't care if guys come back at all, just get all they can while the guys are there.
The clubs need to have regular meeting to teach the girls how to keep them selves up, communicate with the guys, deal with guys who are pushing the envelope too far and so on.
Customers in the clubs are people and dancing is no different than other selling jobs. If we don't treat the guys nicely and make them enjoy our company and time spent in the club, no one wins.
Too many dancers just want big money and big money is made no differently dancing than in other businesses. Good customer service and friendly employees are key to this and club owners shouldn't be so stupid and uncaring not to realize this.
Every girl and employee in every club needs regular training and regular meeting need to be held by club owners and these owners need to be open to the dancers and employees comments.
Dancers need to realize that all mens club patrons aren't bad people and that these patrons need to be treated just as we would like to be treated if we were customers. If some guys are obnoxious, then they should be rationalized with by management.
No one owes us any money in a club. Just as when we walk in a store, we are not obligated to spend anything. We have got to make guys WANT to sprnd money on us, and if the club has a party atmosphere and is run with momentum, guys will want to spend, as long as everyone working in the club is friendly.
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In today's economy, it's easier to conceive of dance clubs and dancers as being analogous to car dealers and cars !
First you've got your upscale show clubs, which are analogous to upscale car dealers like BMW or Mercedes or Lexus. First, these sorts of organizations can only exist in really big cities or really prosperous areas, because they are expensive and only a certain sort of upscale customer can afford them. Second, these sorts of organizations only offer top quality merchandise i.e. you never see an older high mileage car or a marked up car (dents) for sale at these dealers, only new merchandise or certified used merchandise which looks new and has low mileage. However, with customers who want the best, who don't have a problem spending as much as it takes, and who revel in the upscale atmosphere and merchandise, there's lots of money to be made. These sorts of dealers devote a lot of effort to the dealership's image, pay attention to customer satisfaction, and are very conducive to repeat business.
At the other extreme you've got your high mileage/extras clubs, which are analogous to used car dealers. These sorts of dealers are everywhere. Customers who go to these dealers are looking for the highest bang for the buck, period. Dealers themselves are looking to extract as much money as possible from customers, whether or not their business practices are ethical/legal. These dealerships will attempt to sell anything as far as merchandise quality goes, with the customer expecting to spend in proportion to the age, dents and mileage he's able to get for a particular price. These dealers are also the ones most likely to utilize gimmicks. As far as customer service and cultivating repeat business, fuggedaboutit - NEXT !
Lastly, you've got your middle of the road low mileage clubs, which are equivalent to new car dealers offering plain jane American cars i.e. Ford and Chevy. The merchandise they offer is respectable, but it does not measure up to the BMW's and Lexus and Mercedes that the upscale dealers have to offer and thus does not attract the big spenders. These dealers also cannot offer the same bang for the buck as the high mileage used car dealers, which sends many customers elsewhere in order to find higher mileage deals in the same price ballpark. These sorts of dealers are having large problems trying to sell their merchandise these days, and depend on receiving cash incentives from the factories (i.e. the merchandise is being provided at lower prices, i.e. the factories must hand over a larger portion of their own profits to the dealers) in order to maintain whatever customer interest these sorts of dealerships still have.
As far as dancers go, if you have the body of a BMW or Lexus or Mercedes, you can make it into an upscale dealership. You'll wind up commanding top dollar from upscale customers. You'll be working in a very respectable environment.
However, for dancers who have the body of a Ford or Chevy, the upscale dealership is not going to happen for you. You then face the decision of offering to turn over part of your own profits to a middle of the road Ford or Chevy dealer to help him stay in business, in exchange for being sold to respectable customers who are content with low mileage and being able to work in an environment which is legal.
You also have the option of going to a high mileage used car dealership instead of a Ford or Chevy dealer. Here you won't have to turn over as much of your earnings to the dealer, and you'll be able to realize higher profits by negotiating with bang for the buck customers in regard to mileage. However, the environment you wind up in might be quite a bit less ethical or legal, with some risk of being busted.
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Excellent analogy Melonie :yay:
I can tell what kind of car you drive! :)
But seriously, your maturity, experience, and intelligent insights are a what makes me eagerly read your posts.
I think that we have more and more sex in our everyday lives, whether we want it or not. I have digital cable, and can see soft core porn for free on demand or on pay channels. I am assaulted by ads which feature women in various states of undress. The unique atmosphere, and the character of the women are what bring men into a strip club these days.
And you and several others on the board really get it.
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Originally Posted by Pumpkin Pie link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65712#msg65712 date=1074847049
From what I've heard from fellows I know, a lot of them are turned off by strip clubs more and more because the women at the clubs just aren't nice.
They are turned off by strip clubs because they can't afford them. As a dancer I am not mean to guys who don't tip but I do ignore them. The truth is a lot of guys who go to strip clubs can't afford it and shouldn't be there. It's a luxury and these are lean times.
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Originally Posted by Pumpkin Pie link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65712#msg65712 date=1074847049
Another thing I hear from the guys is that they now hear in the media over and over how strippers hate and despise the men that go to the clubs.
I personally don't despise the men who come in the club. Just the perverts, pedophiles, tricks and pimps. There are plenty of nice men who keep me dancing and when they are good to me I am good to them. But I'm not going to fake it in a forum like this. Pumpkin look at the Thai sex industry. Then look at customers like Dreamer who defend it. Do you blame us?
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Originally Posted by Pumpkin Pie link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65712#msg65712 date=1074847049
How strippers view them as undesireable and wouldn't think of dating them. As shown on this forum, that's pretty much true and has probably always been the case.
It is absolutely forbidden in most clubs to date a customer. Still there are dancers who do it. In my case it is self protection to not date customers. Many customers don't take us seriously and that's ok with me. I don't take them seriously either! It's theatre!
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Originally Posted by Pumpkin Pie link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65712#msg65712 date=1074847049
Sadly ... or maybe as form of cosmic poetic justice ... young guys are viewing strippers as strippers view them ... something inferior.
You can be sure young guys, old guys and society in general have always viewed us as something inferior. We are sex workers. The only thing that makes it tolerable is the MONEY and if the guys are not coming up with the money then bye bye happy dancing girl and hello bitch!
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Originally Posted by Pumpkin Pie link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65712#msg65712 date=1074847049
The third thing that I hear is turning off guys is the skyrocketing prices that clubs are now charging.
As I have stated in earlier posts, a strip club is not Disneyworld. We are dealing with some of the roughest characters out there as our managers. As a recent example look at Cheetahs. The clubs shake us down for money, too, claiming it's for "security", and we have no choice but to pass our costs on to the customers.
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Originally Posted by Pumpkin Pie link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65712#msg65712 date=1074847049
The clubs probably should even put strippers on probation to see if they can attract a steady following (a.k.a. regular customers). The ones that can attract a steady following getting first choice on hours they'd like to work and/or possibly their fees reduced to keep them working there.
That is a sure-fire way to create a culture of prostitution. I choose my own hours anyway and I do my best to avoid stage fees. I hate working for clubs that make money off of dancers. The last thing I'm going to do is work in a draconian club with requirements on *regulars* How do you measure that anyway? Next thing you know....He's MY reg! No he's MY reg! Bleh! Show me the exit....
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Tina,
What we're discussing here isn't all that new. It is a problem that has been eating away at the strip club industry for years. Now when I heard that chains of strip clubs were being started up and expanded, I thought something might finally get done to correct these problems. Chains succeed because they follow a formula. That formula is what's successful. This is why businesses that are not franchises have a 90% failure rate and businesses that are have a 90% success rate. If you'd like to read more about how this works, I recommend you read Michael Gerber's "The E-Myth", a highly regarded business book for anyone think of going into business or currently in it. Anyway...
I haven't heard any better service at the strip club chains than the non-chain strip clubs. They do tend to be at least middle-level, if not upscale, but I haven't heard anyone say they're setting new standards. They seem to be just like any other strip club in that they hire women solely on looks and the ability to dance. Not on their social skills and ability to create and keep regular customers. They view their businesses as a volume businesses and not relationship businesses. And by "relationship" I mean they try to establish and nurture relationships with customers to generate repeat business.
Maybe someday a strip club chain will come along and give equal focus on both their dancers' social skills and appearances. Maybe they'll do as you recommend, Tina, on having regular meetings to keep the club on the top of its game. Maybe they'll eventually regularly bring in customer service consultants to work with their strippers to provide better service to their patrons. Maybe the clubs will employ mystery shopper companies to help keep their employees always on their toes. Maybe. Time will tell.
As far as it all being about the money a club can bring in, I don't buy that. As a marketing consultant, I've heard that excuse from all different types of businesses. The truth of the matter is that customer service is extremely easy to improve, can be improved in any type of business, and practically costs nothing. All it takes is a conscious effort by the employees and their supervisors/managers. The managers hiring those that have the right social skills, supervisors watching over their employees to insure those social skills are used and improved upon, and the employees being rewarded ... even in ways that do not cost the business really anything ... for exhibiting social skills. Go to any restaurant and it is almost always not how good their cooks are that determine their success but how good their wait staff are in servicing diners.
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Chain strip clubs do not necessarily follow a franchise model. Some dude just pays for an "affiliation". Basically, he is just paying a royalty fee. The days of classy hostess in the US are over. You'll have better luck in Europe and Japan. Sex is beyond commoditized. Turn on basic cable at 10pm and you will see. I think American women have such great freedom of life choices, but are the receiving end of some of the worst passive-aggressive hate.
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Originally Posted by vanilla_dog link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65856#msg65856 date=1074896732
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Originally Posted by Pumpkin Pie link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65712#msg65712 date=1074847049
From what I've heard from fellows I know, a lot of them are turned off by strip clubs more and more because the women at the clubs just aren't nice.
They are turned off by strip clubs because they can't afford them. As a dancer I am not mean to guys who don't tip but I do ignore them. The truth is a lot of guys who go to strip clubs can't afford it and shouldn't be there. It's a luxury and these are lean times.
No, the guys I was referring to can afford it. They're all high-paid professionals (lawyers, program analysts, doctors, business owners, vice presidents, etc.) that have a ton of money to spend on fun stuff and do spend it. They do tip freely and nicely at these clubs. The strippers swarm them. But the guys have been telling me that the strippers are becoming less and less nice. If you think "nice" is just taking the money from the guy and staying only as he continues to keep tipping, you need to think that over again. Now what I'm not saying staying after he stops tipping, but just being nice to them while they're tipping. Too many strippers seem to take the attitude that they're so special that the customer should be thankful that they even take their money. Even if that's what they think, it's bad customer service to show it. Unfortunately, too many strippers do show it and even when they're smiling. Fake smiles are easy for even infants to pick up and disregard.
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Originally Posted by vanilla_dog link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65856#msg65856 date=1074896732
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Originally Posted by Pumpkin Pie link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65712#msg65712 date=1074847049
Another thing I hear from the guys is that they now hear in the media over and over how strippers hate and despise the men that go to the clubs.
I personally don't despise the men who come in the club. Just the perverts, pedophiles, tricks and pimps. There are plenty of nice men who keep me dancing and when they are good to me I am good to them. But I'm not going to fake it in a forum like this. Pumpkin look at the Thai sex industry. Then look at customers like Dreamer who defend it. Do you blame us?
But it's throwing all us guys into the same pot as Dreamer is where I think the problem comes from. It's this perspective of men that results in strippers not being nice to their customers. And that's bad. Not only for the strip club business but for the strippers themselves and how they relate to the world.
However, it is understandable that strippers develop this negative view of men. The bad seems never to be forgotten and the good quickly fade from memory. Another thread here brought this up when men put down strippers. The strippers remember the put-downs and forget all the compliments they've received before. Likewise, when you encounter a creepy patron, you remember them more than the nice ones. It's part of your defense mechanism to do this and that's natural. Unfortunately, strippers encounter these creeps too often and thus generalizations they hold begin to be altered by those experiences. Eventually, many strippers hold that men are guilty until proven innocent.
This is where a club management can have impact. It isn't easy but it's been done numerous times before with other service industries. Weekly meetings, as suggested by Tina, could help with this ... or make it worse by being nothing other than bitchfests. Adding fuel to the fire instead of trying to put it out. There's other things that the club management can do to counter the creeps ruining it for the other patrons.
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Originally Posted by Pumpkin Pie link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65712#msg65712 date=1074847049
How strippers view them as undesireable and wouldn't think of dating them. As shown on this forum, that's pretty much true and has probably always been the case.
It is absolutely forbidden in most clubs to date a customer. Still there are dancers who do it. In my case it is self protection to not date customers. Many customers don't take us seriously and that's ok with me. I don't take them seriously either! It's theatre!
Did I advocate that strippers date customers? No, not at all. What I was talking about was strippers letting customers know that they're unworthy of them. That and the press reporting this to men and that changing how men view strippers and strip clubs. This change not being a positive thing for the strip club industry.
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Originally Posted by Pumpkin Pie link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65712#msg65712 date=1074847049
Sadly ... or maybe as form of cosmic poetic justice ... young guys are viewing strippers as strippers view them ... something inferior.
You can be sure young guys, old guys and society in general have always viewed us as something inferior. We are sex workers. The only thing that makes it tolerable is the MONEY and if the guys are not coming up with the money then bye bye happy dancing girl and hello bitch!
Actually, the studies I've read of men -- that were not identified as "heavily religious" -- was that they do not view strippers in a negative light. Men, by and large, like party girls and strippers are viewed as party girls.
Unfortunately, do to the current media informing men that strippers despise them, strippers are now being removed from the "party girl" category and moved into the less preferred "gold digger" category.
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The third thing that I hear is turning off guys is the skyrocketing prices that clubs are now charging.
As I have stated in earlier posts, a strip club is not Disneyworld. We are dealing with some of the roughest characters out there as our managers. As a recent example look at Cheetahs. The clubs shake us down for money, too, claiming it's for "security", and we have no choice but to pass our costs on to the customers.
And this is where club management fails again.
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Originally Posted by Pumpkin Pie link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65712#msg65712 date=1074847049
The clubs probably should even put strippers on probation to see if they can attract a steady following (a.k.a. regular customers). The ones that can attract a steady following getting first choice on hours they'd like to work and/or possibly their fees reduced to keep them working there.
That is a sure-fire way to create a culture of prostitution.
Not if done right. This isn't something new that I propose. Advertising firms commonly use this. Account executives live and die by who they keep as clients for their ad firm. Do account executives prostitute themselves to do this? Outside of the surreal movies of Hollywood, no, not in the slightest. And a good account executive pulls in a seven-figure salary and lots of nice perks and benefits. For a lower payscale example, hairstylists also work on this principle as well.
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I choose my own hours anyway and I do my best to avoid stage fees.
I was just suggesting those as examples where clubs to do things to encourage strippers to develop and keep regular customers.
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I hate working for clubs that make money off of dancers.
Please explain to me how a club can be profitable without making money off of their dancers.
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The last thing I'm going to do is work in a draconian club with requirements on *regulars* How do you measure that anyway? Next thing you know....He's MY reg! No he's MY reg! Bleh! Show me the exit....
How you measure it depends on the business and it's business model. A club doesn't have to use the exclusive relationship as a measure but simply use a frequent relationship model. Everytime the customer comes in, does he request a dance from the dancer. If he does, he's counted as one of her regulars ... even if he gets dances from the other women in the club. This doesn't completely eliminate the rivalry between dancers for regulars, but it should reduce it. Besides, having a bit of rivalry over customers is good for all involved. The dancers realize they need to make an effort to keep the regulars, the club benefits by the dancers working to cultivate regulars, and the regulars feeling wanted by the dancers.
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Originally Posted by Katrine link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65874#msg65874 date=1074900654
Chain strip clubs do not necessarily follow a franchise model. Some dude just pays for an "affiliation". Basically, he is just paying a royalty fee.
What you describe is called a conversion franchise. Century 21 is a conversion franchise. In the beginning, Century 21 simply was a name change for already existing successful real estate companies. The reason why these successful real estate companies changed their name to Century 21 was to benefit from the national and regional advertising done by the franchisor. This brought in more customers to them that more than made up the royalty they paid for the affiliation. So being a conversion franchise is nothing bad or doomed to fail.
Needless to say, not all franchises are good franchises. The business landscape is littered with failed franchises. There are many reasons for this. Poor central management. Confused corporate image. Terrible franchisee support ... saying there's ANY franchisee support. The list is long and ugly.
However, when a franchise figures it all out, they're here to stay ... even if it takes them a few attempts at it. For example, McDonald's was an awful franchisor until Ray Kroc came along. The McDonald brothers failed twice at trying to franchise their restaurant concept. Then Ray came along and took complete control of the franchise and the rest is history.
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The days of classy hostess in the US are over. You'll have better luck in Europe and Japan.
Customer service is never out of vogue. It has always existed and will always continue to exist because it helps businesses succeed.
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Originally Posted by Katrine link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65874#msg65874 date=1074900654
Sex is beyond commoditized. Turn on basic cable at 10pm and you will see.
I'm sure every generation has thought this since the cavemen ... if not before.
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Originally Posted by Katrine link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65874#msg65874 date=1074900654
I think American women have such great freedom of life choices, but are the receiving end of some of the worst passive-aggressive hate.
Please elaborate.
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Re:More slow days than busy ones
Vanilla~
The truth is a lot of guys who go to strip clubs can't afford it and shouldn't be there. It's a luxury and these are lean times.
I agree 100%
I'm going to make a topic on this, because i have a rather unique (and dumb) experience to share. It happened to a (sort of) friend of mine (Yeah, yeah, always a friend...) who was an utter moron. Look in the general forum for it. I'd like to hear your opinion on this dumbass.
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Originally Posted by Pumpkin Pie link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65899#msg65899 date=1074905076
No, the guys I was referring to can afford it. They're all high-paid professionals (lawyers, program analysts, doctors, business owners, vice presidents, etc.) that have a ton of money to spend on fun stuff and do spend it.
You are saying these fellows have not suffered reversals in the stock market? Or cut backs in pension plans? Or felt the effects of a recession the rest of the nation is undergoing? I'm not buying it. It's a lot easier to say "The girls are not nice" than to say "I can't afford it."
I go to strip clubs all the time. I tip a few bucks a song and I buy a few dances and the dancers treat me fine. I don't know what he wants.
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Originally Posted by Pumpkin Pie link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65899#msg65899 date=1074905076
But it's throwing all us guys into the same pot as Dreamer is where I think the problem comes from. It's this perspective of men that results in strippers not being nice to their customers. And that's bad. Not only for the strip club business but for the strippers themselves and how they relate to the world.
If I threw all customers into the same pot as Dreamer I wouldn't be dancing. I will admit the strip club has changed my view of men. It has been a real education. It has taught me about a side of men that I previously didn't know existed. That isn't my fault. It IS innocence lost. Oh well.
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Originally Posted by Pumpkin Pie link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65899#msg65899 date=1074905076
Did I advocate that strippers date customers? No, not at all. What I was talking about was strippers letting customers know that they're unworthy of them. That and the press reporting this to men and that changing how men view strippers and strip clubs. This change not being a positive thing for the strip club industry.
I don't think men really care how we view them. You think Dreamer cares how a 12 year old feels about getting nailed? No. He does not.
For the most part you can find a girl in any club that you like. At least I can. We all know what the stripper thinks. At least I do. It's a dirty job and I'm glad she's doing it.
The strip club isnt for the timid man. If it's important for a man to think that a dancer is rubbing her tits in his face because she likes him then he should probably just stay home.
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Originally Posted by Pumpkin Pie link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65899#msg65899 date=1074905076
Actually, the studies I've read of men -- that were not identified as "heavily religious" -- was that they do not view strippers in a negative light. Men, by and large, like party girls and strippers are viewed as party girls.
Men will say stuff to strippers they won't say to regular women. It's like a green light to be an asshole. You go with your studies and I'll go with my personal experience. Why do you think we lie about what we do? Because society is so nice to us "party girls"? No.
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Originally Posted by Pumpkin Pie link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65899#msg65899 date=1074905076
Unfortunately, do to the current media informing men that strippers despise them, strippers are now being removed from the "party girl" category and moved into the less preferred "gold digger" category.
As if strippers were not always considered Gold Diggers! LOL
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Originally Posted by Pumpkin Pie link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65899#msg65899 date=1074905076
Account executives live and die by who they keep as clients for their ad firm. Do account executives prostitute themselves to do this?
Mixing apples and oranges. In the sex business you can't force girls to live and die by the regulars they keep or they will become whores. We are independant contractors...remember? Not employees. And in addition I have seen women in the straight world do everything including the boss and the client to get the job. It's not that uncommon.
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Originally Posted by Pumpkin Pie link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65899#msg65899 date=1074905076
Please explain to me how a club can be profitable without making money off of their dancers.
How does any other club do it? You think the only way a bar can stay open is to charge a bunch of naked ladies to dance there? By drink sales and cover charges. It's not like strip clubs serve cheap drinks!
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Originally Posted by Pumpkin Pie link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65899#msg65899 date=1074905076
How you measure it depends on the business and it's business model. A club doesn't have to use the exclusive relationship as a measure but simply use a frequent relationship model. Everytime the customer comes in, does he request a dance from the dancer. If he does, he's counted as one of her regulars ... even if he gets dances from the other women in the club. This doesn't completely eliminate the rivalry between dancers for regulars, but it should reduce it. Besides, having a bit of rivalry over customers is good for all involved. The dancers realize they need to make an effort to keep the regulars, the club benefits by the dancers working to cultivate regulars, and the regulars feeling wanted by the dancers.
This is a rather elaborate process I would think especially from a bunch of Goomba's that can barely read. Yes strip clubs are mismanaged. Even morons need jobs.
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Re:More slow days than busy ones
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Originally Posted by Pumpkin Pie link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65899#msg65899 date=1074905076
No, the guys I was referring to can afford it. They're all high-paid professionals (lawyers, program analysts, doctors, business owners, vice presidents, etc.) that have a ton of money to spend on fun stuff and do spend it.
You are saying these fellows have not suffered reversals in the stock market? Or cut backs in pension plans? Or felt the effects of a recession the rest of the nation is undergoing? I'm not buying it. It's a lot easier to say "The girls are not nice" than to say "I can't afford it."
Madison is a boom town. Has been for a very long time. Over a decade now. The recession never came here. Our unemployment rate is unhealthy. Not because it is too high, but because it is too low. A healthy economy needs a good fraction of the population to be between jobs. Madison doesn't have that and that is its biggest economic problem. Not enough workers for jobs available. And we're averaging a 1,000 new residents a month and there's still more jobs than job-takers.
As for those guys I'm referring to, they don't sweat any money issues. Do they lose money on the market? Sure. They also lose money at the blackjack table. They just don't sweat it. We never split a dinner bill. One of us will just cover it. The only time an argument rises is between two who want to pick up the tab.
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Originally Posted by Pumpkin Pie link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65899#msg65899 date=1074905076
But it's throwing all us guys into the same pot as Dreamer is where I think the problem comes from. It's this perspective of men that results in strippers not being nice to their customers. And that's bad. Not only for the strip club business but for the strippers themselves and how they relate to the world.
If I threw all customers into the same pot as Dreamer I wouldn't be dancing. I will admit the strip club has changed my view of men. It has been a real education. It has taught me about a side of men that I previously didn't know existed. That isn't my fault. It IS innocence lost. Oh well.
That's too bad. I just hope you can realize that not all men have that bad side to them. I'd say the vast majority don't. It's just unfortunate that the ones that do make such an impact when they do act out.
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Originally Posted by Pumpkin Pie link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65899#msg65899 date=1074905076
Did I advocate that strippers date customers? No, not at all. What I was talking about was strippers letting customers know that they're unworthy of them. That and the press reporting this to men and that changing how men view strippers and strip clubs. This change not being a positive thing for the strip club industry.
I don't think men really care how we view them.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this point.
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Originally Posted by vanilla_dog link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65980#msg65980 date=1074930352
You think Dreamer cares how a 12 year old feels about getting nailed? No. He does not.
Again, watch who you toss in that pot with Dreamer. ;)
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Originally Posted by vanilla_dog link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65980#msg65980 date=1074930352
For the most part you can find a girl in any club that you like. At least I can. We all know what the stripper thinks. At least I do. It's a dirty job and I'm glad she's doing it.
I was talking about the trend I've been hearing from other guys. And that the stripper thinks something doesn't mean they should let the customers know what they think. Restaurants would close if waitresses did this. Psychotherapists would lose all their patients if they did this. It's about presenting the appropriate face to the customers that I'm talking about. Not changing what or how the stripper thinks. Just as is the case with any employee in a service-oriented business.
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Originally Posted by Pumpkin Pie link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65899#msg65899 date=1074905076
Actually, the studies I've read of men -- that were not identified as "heavily religious" -- was that they do not view strippers in a negative light. Men, by and large, like party girls and strippers are viewed as party girls.
Men will say stuff to strippers they won't say to regular women. It's like a green light to be an asshole. You go with your studies and I'll go with my personal experience. Why do you think we lie about what we do? Because society is so nice to us "party girls"? No.
I think if society was only made up of men who were not heavily religious, yes. But it isn't. It's made up of also the religious nuts and women. I think most women view strippers as a threat. In fact, as being revealed in the "Do you mind your BF going to other strip clubs?" thread, there seems to be quite a few strippers who also view strippers as a threat. But all of society isn't in the strip club. Men are. Men who are not heavily religious.
As for there being assholes among these men, that doesn't surprise me. Are they the majority of the men in the strip club? I don't know. I've never seen a study that dealt with that. All I have to go by is what my male friends tell me they've observed and what I've experienced myself. Based on that, I don't think most of the men in strip clubs are assholes. That would be a small minority. A very visible small minority, but still a minority. And from a customer service standpoint, it isn't good to take the attitude that all men there are. It doesn't mean that's easy, but simply speaking from a business standpoint, you need to do that.
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Originally Posted by Pumpkin Pie link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65899#msg65899 date=1074905076
Unfortunately, do to the current media informing men that strippers despise them, strippers are now being removed from the "party girl" category and moved into the less preferred "gold digger" category.
As if strippers were not always considered Gold Diggers! LOL
What I was talking about is the change in perception by men of strippers. Not the reality of strippers or how strippers view themselves.
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Originally Posted by Pumpkin Pie link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65899#msg65899 date=1074905076
Account executives live and die by who they keep as clients for their ad firm. Do account executives prostitute themselves to do this?
Mixing apples and oranges. In the sex business you can't force girls to live and die by the regulars they keep or they will become whores.
And you've seen this happen?
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Originally Posted by vanilla_dog link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65980#msg65980 date=1074930352
We are independant contractors...remember? Not employees.
Legal termnology and tax purposes aside. Do you make the majority of your income by working in that strip club? If the answer is "yes", you're no different than an employee as long as you work at that club. That you can quit at anytime, that you can get told to leave (a.k.a. fired) anytime, that you receive no medical coverage from the club, and so forth doesn't really matter.
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Originally Posted by vanilla_dog link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65980#msg65980 date=1074930352
And in addition I have seen women in the straight world do everything including the boss and the client to get the job. It's not that uncommon.
While I've known of one secretary that did do her boss to gain more power in the office place, I've never known or heard of a woman that did a client to get a job. Hiring a call girl (presented as a "fun-loving friend" of hers that would like to go out with the two of them) to do a client after a night on the town with the client and her, but never doing the client themselves.
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Originally Posted by Pumpkin Pie link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65899#msg65899 date=1074905076
Please explain to me how a club can be profitable without making money off of their dancers.
How does any other club do it? You think the only way a bar can stay open is to charge a bunch of naked ladies to dance there? By drink sales and cover charges. It's not like strip clubs serve cheap drinks!
So you feel that without the club charging the strippers money, they'll still remain just as profitable? Or would you then be ok with the clubs to maintain their profitability to dramatically raise the cover charge and drink prices to earn the same amount of money? Say $100 instead of a $20 cover charge and $20 a drink instead of $7. I would think that would kill off all but a few well-healed patrons.
Or are you saying that clubs make too much profit and they should be happy with less?
You and the club should be in a win-win relationship. You are not separate from the club nor is the club separate from you. You're working in unison. You should be thinking how you can maximum profits for both and not one over the other. An adversarial relationship is beyond stupidity ... for either side. One side trying to take advantage of the other side only hurts both. If this is the situation in your club, I don't really blame you but the club. The club management should understand how it benefits them to have a win-win relationship with its strippers and communicate this to their dancers. Those dancers that buy into that plan should stay. Those that don't should leave or be fired. The club should work to foster a team mentality and not a "us verses them" one.
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Originally Posted by Pumpkin Pie link=board=1;threadid=6008;start=msg65899#msg65899 date=1074905076
How you measure it depends on the business and it's business model. A club doesn't have to use the exclusive relationship as a measure but simply use a frequent relationship model. Everytime the customer comes in, does he request a dance from the dancer. If he does, he's counted as one of her regulars ... even if he gets dances from the other women in the club. This doesn't completely eliminate the rivalry between dancers for regulars, but it should reduce it. Besides, having a bit of rivalry over customers is good for all involved. The dancers realize they need to make an effort to keep the regulars, the club benefits by the dancers working to cultivate regulars, and the regulars feeling wanted by the dancers.
This is a rather elaborate process I would think especially from a bunch of Goomba's that can barely read. Yes strip clubs are mismanaged. Even morons need jobs.
Frequent relationship monitoring is a very simple process. The strip clubs know how many dances you're doing already. It only needs them to pay attention to who you're giving those dances to. And if the customer uses a credit card, the process is even simpler to monitor.
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Re:More slow days than busy ones
Quote from Vanilla It's not like strip clubs serve cheap drinks!
If that isn't the truth i dunno what is. It's 7.50$ a beer at the usual place i go to. The only place in St. Louis that charges more is Planet Hollywood.
However, there's a place called Raging Rivers (it's a water park) across the Mississippi that will charge you 50$ for four hamburgers, fries, and drinks (and considering i have a kid that likes to swim...)! So that's not the only place that puts the squeeze on the wallet.
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Re:More slow days than busy ones
Tina, I forget who said it, but this is what I think:
Be careful how you see the world, it IS that way.
Lena
PS: All considered, I'm very happy with where I am right now, even if every night isn't a thousand dollar night.
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Re:More slow days than busy ones
my 2 cents--When it gets to the point where the money is rarely worth it anymore, its time to quit dancing.
It doesn't matter if its $100 or $1000 or if it's the work itself or the work conditions, it doesn't matter- if it doesn't feel worth it in this biz, it's not. The damage that can be done to your self esteem and self worth aren't worth sticking it out for better days.
My advice for those who feel like it just isn't worth anymore is to take all that's been learned in this industry and apply it to a new career or goal.
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everything in the adult industry has gone down hill......nothing is paying what it use to anymore.....ive see new girl start and never come back after there shift is over, climaing they made more money working at a lawyers or doctors office......the media has glomorized this bizz , inot making the general public belive that we make $200-k a year.....when in reality many of us are counting our pennys to make ends meet....
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^^MadameLizz, you are so right. Interesting that you dug up this thread. A lot of my girlfriends are struggling to make ends meet, and they're not splurging on fancy shit either. It's rough out there!! Like Melonie said, there will be a small amount of girls/clubs that make money, but most dancers will either be pushed out of the business or pushed into extras/prostitution because of how rough this business is getting.
But it IS January, so it will get better, at least a little.
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Re: More slow days than busy ones
many of the girls i know use to spend alot more money on luxurys, than they are doing now, including my self....just about every girl i know has had to down size in 1 thing or another, casue of the lack of money....im not married,dont have kids, no credit card bills or any crazy pimp boyfreinds bleeding me dry like many girls out there & i see my self counting pennys & budgeting more than ever....many,many times ive decied to leave this crazy industry,but i love it to dam much & its not the money any more ither,,, nothing in the adult industry is paying what it use to years ago, i have a blk-freind, she did an adult film ( amature) for$ 500.00,,they wanted to give an extra$250.00 if she did anal on the film,which she delined.... shit i remember when start pay was at least 2 grand for a 1st. timer... i think the adult industry has reached the point were there are more dancers,clubs,escorts,adult films, etc. than thre are customers willing to pay.. i think the industry is (saturated) with to many providers/producers & not enough customers.. does anybody agree with me?