I heard from a friend that aside from the never ending saga of the opening of Scores West, that there is in fact another new club about to open. Supposedly, it will be very upscale, and may carry the Hustler name.
Has anyone else heard this?
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I heard from a friend that aside from the never ending saga of the opening of Scores West, that there is in fact another new club about to open. Supposedly, it will be very upscale, and may carry the Hustler name.
Has anyone else heard this?
No, I haven't heard of it. What is going on with Scores West, anyway? They've worked on it forever, kind of like the AOL/Time Warner building at Columbus Circle. Coming soon...NOT!!!
Strictly the ramblings of a dumb blonde with big boobs ...
I highly doubt that you're going to see any additional Scores expansions for a while. The existing New York Scores club took a competitive hit with the opening of the Penthouse Executive Club, which has nominally replaced Scores as THE #1 Club in Manhattan (despite paid Scores endorsements by Howard Stern). Scores also was unpleasantly surprised after making a large investment to take over a suburban Chicago club. Lower than expected cash flows and incomes in both clubs translates into no money left over for investing in additional clubs, as making their existing mortgage payments and management payrolls certainly takes precedence. Also, the opening of PEC has arguably already saturated the high end upscale club market in Manhattan, which would bring into question the future feasibility of opening yet another new high end upscale club in Manhattan, even if it is located on the west side.
As far as a new Hustler/DejaVu club opening in New York City, this strikes me as rather unlikely given the traditional "WalMart" business model typically employed by new Hustler/DejaVu clubs. By this I mean that the typical scenario is for a new Hustler/DejaVu club to open, for this new club to out-class local clubs (that's an extremely tall order when you're talking about out-classing Scores and PEC !) to attract the upscale customers and the best dancers away from existing clubs. The next step in this typical scenario is for the new Hustler/DejaVu club to start gradually increasing the mileage factor to really put the squeeze on local clubs offering low mileage, with this "more mileage for your money" incentive doing to local clubs what WalMarts typically do to local grocery, hardware and department stores. However, the city of New York has BILLIONS of dollars at stake with a Disney / Warner / other fine upstanding business presences in Manhattan, and is NOT going to sit idly by and let any new club introduce high mileage in violation of the city's anti-dance club ordinance. Because of these factors, I would seriously doubt that Hustler/DejaVu would invest in a Manhattan club. They would be highly successful if they chose to open a new club 5 minutes away from Manhattan across the New Jersey state line, though !
Melonie, you are no dumb blonde. I just wonder what Scores intends to do with that space, after all that construction. Have they abandoned ship?
Again wild speculation, but I would guess Scores will wait a while hoping that an economic recovery will really take root and improve the cash flows at their other clubs, that the novelty of PEC will wear off thus returning some of their Manhattan club business etc. before making more large investment. As you say, they already have quite a bit of money sunk into the west side project already, and much of this would be a write-off loss if they simply pulled up stakes.
they have not abondoned space the club(scores west) is going to be open soon/later this year.. its is also going to be the biggest club in nyc ...i'm sure you girls are gonna be surprised with the services that they will offer i dont want to say anything specific cause the club or the owners themselves havn't announced anything yet to the public but what my sources(close to the owner ) told me its gonna knock out the competition.....but i guess we'll just have to wait and see ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Adina link=board=4;threadid=6197;start=msg68066#msg68066 date=1075335369
Thanks, Cash, for some closer to the source info. Plans to open Scores West later in the year would make perfect sense for two reasons. #1 it will give the economy time to show evidence of a firm turnaround (which will hopefully translate into increased cash flow and profits which can be used to fund a new project). #2 I sort of figured that Scores has had their 'nose put out of joint' by losing their title of Premiere Manhattan Club to PEC, so it would only make sense that they will try to regain their title via an AWESOME new facility at Scores West which will make PEC look second rate! That's quite a task, given the new 7 million dollar PEC club facility.
The haunting question which keeps rattling around in my head is just where do Scores and PEC and Solid Gold figure that additional upscale Manhattan club customers are going to come from ? From what I saw in the aftermath of the PEC grand opening, a significant portion of PEC customers were simply "stolen" from Scores and other Manhattan clubs, which obviously reduced incomes for the other clubs (and for dancers working at the other clubs). If new clubs simply wind up competing for the same number of upscale Manhattan club customers, or even if a new club does draw out a few totally new customers, on the average you wind up with a situation of more clubs (employing many more total dancers) competing for the same or a slightly larger customer base. No matter how you cut it, a higher dancer to customer ratio = lower dancer earnings. Granted, those dancers who can get past the audition and be hired at the top 1 or 2 or 3 clubs in town should actually do better earnings wise, but for the vast majority of dancers working in lesser clubs this is only going to hurt earnings potential.
Hi- it is true, they open march 15. . . they lured our head manager AND housemom away from us! they told us to come and work for them too! im going to work the grand opening. . . all that money!. . . .
yup, grand opening month should be a gold mine as every Manhattan customer will have a 'moral imperative' to check out the new club. However, I still wonder if Manhattan dancers are going to be any better off after the club's 'newness' wears off. The fact will still remain that there will be perhaps 150 more top shelf dancer openings in Manhattan, but there isn't likely to also be 600 new top shelf Manhattan club customers to provide them an income. What's much more likely to happen is that the new club will 'suck' customers from existing clubs, effectively reducing income potential for every top shelf dancer in the city. The new club will 'suck' tons of customers when it first opens.
But if it were me, I'd think 6 months down the road. After the 'newness' of Scores West wears off, which top shelf club in Manhattan is going to have the reputation/offerings to attract the most upscale customers ? Which club is going to allow dancers to keep the largest portion of the money they earn ? Which club has management, rules etc. which are tolerable ?
Interesting... If Scores West is associated with Scores does that mean that the same rules apply reguading house fees?
Only Scores knows for sure. My wild guess would be that if this new club is a multi-million dollar extravaganza that management will try to charge even higher stage fees than they do at the existing club in order to recoup their new investment.
It's going to be very interesting to see how all this plays out.
Scores corporate management pulled a real coup by luring away the Penthouse general manager. The Housemom went along with him. These two individual were at the core of the PEC operation. The former PEC General manager is a highly regarded industry professional. It is unlikely that he would have jumped off the very successful PEC ship unless he was offered an incredible packakge, and saw even greater long term potential. I can also only surmise that he must have also seen a fairly signifcant new cash infusion into the Scores parent company.
Penthouse has already established itself as the Standard Bearer. The resturant has had rave reviews from mainstream press. The club recently was bought out for the afternoon by Ivana Trump for a birthday party for herself and 16 female friends including Denise Rich, Star Jones and Lil' Kim. So, its reputation amongst the gliteratti, is established.
It is the combination of an excellent food service operation, combined with strong management,an elegant, refined decor, and very beautiful women, that has led PEC to the heights it achieved rapidly.
Scores Holding Company has revealed that PEC is really in its sights, and that Scores 10,000 square foot new club will be head and shoulders above anything else, i.e. Penthouse, that exists. That is an exciting proposition to consider. However, they are opening without a resturant ( at least to begin with , spelled we need more cash), and with a reputation for running a high hustle operation, the novelty may wear off quickly.
Melonie, I agree with you, that no matter how much money is tossed at the market, it can only lead to dilution of the overall pool of potential business. I also agree that for a dancer, a longer term view might prove more beneficial.
I respectfully submit that both customers and dancers should approach this "new" Scores operation with caution. I'm NOT saying don't go there or don't work
there- just be careful.From a customer standpoint,
Penthouse has passed Scores and left it in it's dust.
The girls are generally prettier, friendlier and "hustle"
in a much classier way at PEC than at Scores ( admittedly, JMHO). the non-dancing staff at PEC is
Definitely a lot nicer and easier to deal with than some
of the thugs at Scores. On my last visit there( and I mean LAST visit) I was taken aback by how crude and arrogant some of the male help was there.In contrast,
the PEC folks couldn't have been nicer or friendlier.
From speaking to 2 current Scores girls I know and 2
who both recently left- business at Scores is noticeably
down and its generally attributed to the success of
PEC lending credence to those who argue for a finite
number of customers to be split among the various
Man. clubs. BUT, they have not reduced the house fees
or tip-outs one penny. In fact there was talk a while
back of increasing them to make up for reduced
revenues.Apparently, AFAIK, someone with a rudimentary knowledge of basic economics decided
not to follow through on the idea.
It remains to be seen what the new Scores operation will be like but if their past is any guide; there may
very well be unhappy dancers and customers alike.
well from what my sources told me this new club is supposed to have a restaurant and also indoor parking as just a few of the many features but i have yet to see how its going to turn out ...new york never runs out of sexy beautiful women as well as women from other states who might wanna work there (with all the hype)..so they shouldn't /wouldn't have any problem findind the most beautiful sets of women who meets a certain criteria ..... as for customers well we'll just have to wait ....i wouldn't be surprised if they have a whole lot of customers ....if it turns out to be succesfull then maybe the lower caliber clubs will be forced to change their services and/or rules ....i can easily agree with you melonie but then there is the other side of what if ....so we'll just wait and see .....if they can go to a high caliber(sp) club like the penthouse and lure their workers.. must mean that the are offering somthing good ...unless they are just good bullsh*tters....
Ca$h, I agree that Scores West may be the future #1 club in Manhattan the way PEC is the current #1 club in Manhattan. Either way, the fortunate few dancers who can make it past the audition and thus be able to work in the hottest club in Manhattan are going to bank. Whichever club winds up being the hottest club in Manhattan is going to draw the "glitterati" high rolling customers, and the major amount of money they spend.
However, girls working at the future #2 club or #5 club or #10 club in Manhattan are going to feel some pain in the pocketbook, because it's simply not possible to create new high rolling customers in proportion to the new dancer openings the new club will create. This will mean that whatever money winds up being spent by high rollers in the new #1 club is going to happen at the expense of having less money spent at the #2, #5 and #10 club. You're absolutely right that there will probably be no shortage whatsoever of "perfect 10" dancers both from NY and from other parts of the country knocking on the door of the new club, but more dancers sharing the same amount of customer money equals lower earnings for somebody.
Because of this I would think long and hard about leaving the acknowledged #1 club on speculation and promises that a new club is going to surpass it. If somebody is currently working at PEC and moves to Scores West, it may be very difficult to make the return trip if things don't work out as planned. Remember that the Scores West auditions are going to attract dozens of new "perfect 10" dancers to Manhattan from all over the country, who will eventually percolate into PEC, the original Scores, and other Manhattan clubs since Scores West won't have openings for all of them. This in turn provides the other clubowners with an even greater selection pool of dancing talent, allowing the clubowners to be even pickier about the dancers they actually hire.
This is the first hard financial fact that I have received about the Scores West operation. although it smelled like the project was short of money. If Scores rushes to open Scores West without the planned restaurant and other amenities, presumeably to generate cash flow quickly without having to make the full planned investment in the new business, Scores definitely runs the risk of coming in second to PEC ... again.Quote:
Scores Holding Company has revealed that PEC is really in its sights, and that Scores 10,000 square foot new club will be head and shoulders above anything else, i.e. Penthouse, that exists. That is an exciting proposition to consider. However, they are opening without a resturant ( at least to begin with , spelled we need more cash), and with a reputation for running a high hustle operation, the novelty may wear off quickly.
from what i understand scores is going ALL OUT with this new club-- top notch everything-- including an in house store, top of the line stylists, even tanning beds. it was supposed to open early feb but now they are pushing it to march. im pretty sure open toed platforms are allowed, not the painful pumps you ahve to wear at 60th st. besides opening night i myself am not happy about this club opening. with not only one but TWO scores clubs in manhattan plus the mega glitzy penthouse there will be much more unnecessary competition with regard to customers. there's only room for one *hot* club of the moment. like melonie said this will result in lower earning for the remaining girls at the other clubs. well...i guess time will tell...
i totally agree with you carmen and melonie ...i can see some of the club lowering their standards to add more "milage" i guess in some ways i affects the girls who works at these clubs or who doesn't fit the discription of an 8, 9, or 10
Any one heard of CEO its formerly Silk. Anyone have been.
And hi Cash :D
That's definitely true of "second tier" clubs in NYC. However, based on the PEC versus Original Scores history, lots of dancers who are '8's and '9's were also affected who worked in the "first tier" clubs like the Original Scores, Flashdancers etc. If one "super hot" new club becomes the 'in' place to go for the celebrities, big spending business customers etc., any dancer in town who can't get hired at this "super hot" club is going to see a reduction in her earnings potential at the other "no longer super hot" clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by CA$H link=board=4;threadid=6197;start=msg70453#msg70453 date=1075997209
Melonie I agree with you 100 percent. Also throwing in the minority cards you chances of getting into some of these clubs is slim regardless if you are 8 9 or 10.Quote:
That's definitely true of "second tier" clubs in NYC. However, based on the PEC versus Original Scores history, lots of dancers who are '8's and '9's were also affected who worked in the "first tier" clubs like the Original Scores, Flashdancers etc. If one "super hot" new club becomes the 'in' place to go for the celebrities, big spending business customers etc., any dancer in town who can't get hired at this "super hot" club is going to see a reduction in her earnings potential at the other "no longer super hot" clubs.
the head manager and mom from PEC went to HUSTLER! not SCORES!!!! She called me a week ago and told me!
Sitara where is the Hustler club going to be? Is it going to be the old Silk? Gosh too many clubs for NYC in my opinion. Sitara so who is doing the hiring at Penthouse now? In your opinion due to the fact that Score West is opening, will the hiring freeze at Penthouse be over? Are many of the girls at Penthouse going to Scores West and basically taking their customers with them? Will it be 'easier' to get hired at Penthouse now?
The big joker in this deck is whether or not Scores West and Solid Gold and Hustler are going to wind up attracting dancers who are "travelling tens" to come to Manhattan from out of state. If so, then Scores West and PEC will still wind up with a full slate of "perfect 10" dancers without having to resort to hiring 8's and 9's.
I would also not be surprised if the opening/takeover of so many clubs in Manhattan won't push Manhattan clubowners into the same business tactics as are being used against new clubs in North Jersey. I'm talking about Manhattan clubowners putting the word out to dancers that if they "jump ship" to move to a different club they will NOT be allowed to return to the club they left behind. This could conceivably become a huge risk factor if for example Scores West winds up being less than the #1 hot club it aspires to become once the grand opening hoopla dies down. If so, then any dancers who left PEC for Scores West could conceivably be paying twice as much in stage fees, earning less from customers, and be unable to return to PEC as their slots will have been filled by other dancers who are also 10's.
I'm really concerned that all of these club openings and takeovers simply CANNOT stimulate enough new club customers to maintain dancer to customer ratios and dancer earnings levels. Of course the clubs themselves probably don't actually care how much money the dancers earn. In all likelihood, the clubs are following a business plan where a major component is collecting high stage fees from dancers. After all if the club can convince 100 dancers to pay $200 each in stage fees, that's 20 grand in income for the club that night before the first customer even walks in the door !
Isn't Hustler managed by Deja Vu? If so that's very bad news.
Dancing in NYC is so over. It's ridiculous how over-saturated we are with clubs. I mean, how many f*cking clubs does this city need, especially of the gown and champagne room variety?
I wish Billie's were still around *sigh*
ebony- hey, hustler is at 12th and 51st a few blocks from pec. . it looks like a roman/greek temple. . .now it will be no house fees, 1500 foot dressing room, makeup/hair/nail tech. . .tanning. . .(for u white girls, lol). . . .1 prob. . . i dont mean to sound like im the best but looking at #'s im the top grossing black girl in pec. . . im on their dream team. . . (paid promos's) they told me if i leave i cant come back. . i told them i would at least like to try it out. . . it seems i prob could get away witha few nights but then i have to make up my mind. . . but im going for the opening!!!! MARCH 15!!!!! oh they still will be hard to get hired. . . they have alot of different girls but they only have a certain amount in each group. . . your best bet is to try and get hired for opening, but BEWARE after they are doing well they will weed out the ones who are not "upscale material"