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seems shady... model offer, am i right?
I read and saw something that worried me today.....
I have sevral ads up for dancer, topless waitress, and model. I specify that I only do basic modeling, like playboy style maybe a little pink, and I must be unrecongnisable, like a mask or something.
I recived this unprofessinal email today:
Hi............Would you be interested in any adult video work?
no signature, no website, no company name... hmmmm
So just because I was bored, I email him back asking all the basic security questions. Where are you located? Do you have a profile I could see? etc. again unprofessinal respose:
Hi Ami,
We are currently shooting for www.facialabuse.com
2 hour shoot pays $300-$400.
Let me know if you are interested.
Ernie
646-852-5400
Finally a greeting and a phone number. Also a website. Still no location, ok whatever... so I cheacked out the website...
ewwwwww! I felt the girls on there were being taken advantage of. Could of been an act, but from the tone of his emails it seemed unlikely. I wrote back basicly saying I didnt do that type of work and I didnt think he paid enough anyway. I also told him I don't think he belives in safe words for rough play. I added that I belive his type of site is the reason people think porn is degrading to women. I put it all very professinal and as nicely as I could. He wrote back saying that he didnt belive the shoot was worth anymore money. And that the girls knew what they were getting into in the first place. I feel they may have known it was a gangbang, facial, oral shoot, but not that it would be so rough. Especilly Insomnia.
I just want to know if anyone else feels the same way about this site. Am I wrong about feeling concerned for these girls? Was I wrong in what I told him? Should I have just not responded at all?
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Re:seems shady... model offer, am i right?
I think the jizz in the face shot is pretty common in porn, if not the most popular shot! That site looks pretty typical to me, and thats about what they'll pay for blah looking girls like the ones they have. There's always some slut who's willing to do whatever for a few dollars.
Seems ridiculous to dancers, who make that in a night and don't have to get jizzed on, but there are a million very desperate girls out there.
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I know the facial is common, thats not the part that bothers me. Its how they talk about the girls hateing it and gagging and spiting up. How they ask questions about thier boyfriends. Its like they are trying to make them cry. thats what bothers me. Ill fully admit ive gagged, but it happened because of what I was doing, not because he was grabbing my head and shoving himself in.
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I agree Ami, i have seen alot of facial shots that look very hot! These shots SUCK. I have no idea what their point is. These girls don't look happy with cum on their faces.
How strange for a site. People like to see females enjoy getting the facial. But again, it's called Facial Abuse, for the guy who's into humiliating women!!!
Pamela
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Re:seems shady... model offer, am i right?
If you decide to take the offer don't go alone. It could be a trap...
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for me this email would go to trash/spam can...
i agree with pamela on the appeal of this practic if done good :)
but an offer like this especially for like a nights money ... i wouldn't even look at it for money.
plus i don't trust these texts... come on, they hire the girls, get it over with, make the girls play along and then set up some story (okay, would be like "best case" scenario ...) this is what i like to think about this disgusting stuff...
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Originally Posted by Diana link=board=10;threadid=6504;start=msg73597#msg7359 7 date=1076722967
If you decide to take the offer don't go alone. It could be a trap...
oh no, his non-professinal mannor put a red flag up in my mind, then when I saw the site i just got freaked out. I dont do hardcore work anyway. just nude with some pink. thats why I always ask a million questions and make sure everything is worked out before I ever think about meeting them. havent been hurt yet, I don't think the girls he did get were as safe as I am though.
Jana: I put it in my "weridos" folder so that I can keep his address and exact words on hand in case he tries to contact me again. Also so i can show more inexpericed people who want to model what to avoid. personally i dont care either way if girls like having cum on thier face. (for that matter i dont care what anyone does as long as everyone involved is at least ok with it). I hope the girls were just acting and not what I fear may have happend.....
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Originally Posted by jana link=board=10;threadid=6504;start=msg74341#msg7434 1 date=1076949331
i share your hope ami...
Me, too.
Life's too short and photographs' memories are too long to put up with that.
I also highly resent this guy's approach because I can approach a model with samples and references, but because she gets so much sleazy crap, trust becomes tough. And trust is pretty important in this environment for things to come out right.
Good luck, ami.
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I'm pretty sure that all the stuff about them not liking it and being abused is invented. Just like the Bangbus doesn't actually pick up and rape unsuspecting women (which would be against all sorts of laws--you have to get people's consent to use pictures or videos of them), I'm sure it's all an act. Some of the girls don't look terribly unhappy (though I would be pissed if some guy I didn't know jizzed all over my face, $300 or no!). None of them looks genuinely scared.
I wouldn't worry too much about it. I also wouldn't take the guy up on his "generous" offer.
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I have been a photographer/videographer for years...seen it all
If it doesnt feel right at all, DONT GO and NEVER GO to a first session alone, if you must be alone make the photographer meet you somewhere neutral first
NEVER do anything like bondage, etc with someone you don't know and ONLY work with an incorporated firm...never "just a guy that sells porn" - that translates to "smart guy found easy way to get laid"
Be careful and keep in touch ami
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I personally think that the website is gross but each to there own. I dont nessassarily think these girls didnt know what they were getting into. The website is a in a sort a fetish site for men you like facial abuse and to humiliate and make uncomfortable their women. Just like you are aware of the contents and what would be expected of you to do this site, I am sure these girls were too...I believe the probably knew they were supposed to be looking uncomfortable because that is the nature and theme of the website. If its not something you are into, or if that makes you feel uncomfortable. DONT DO IT.....if your personal feelings are that the site is appauling, then its probably not even something you should be considering.
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In my opinion this is just a PORNO version of the "jerry Springer Show".
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Originally Posted by montythegeek link=board=10;threadid=6504;start=msg78898#msg7889 8 date=1077996771
In my opinion this is just a PORNO version of the "jerry Springer Show".
yeah.
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Personally I feel it is sites like this one that make sex dirty. Even "acted" violence (and yes I view it as violence) is not for the bedroom.
As far as attending a shoot like that...if I were a model I'd have my can of mace and a .45 with me. lol
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Never go alone ... whether you've seen red flags go up or not. It's just not worth it.
(Ok, I think I'm starting to sound like a "just say no" ad. I had no idea that being overdue for dinner made me so firmly opinionated!)
Richard
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Originally Posted by ami link=board=10;threadid=6504;start=msg74106#msg7410 6 date=1076882615
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Originally Posted by Diana link=board=10;threadid=6504;start=msg73597#msg7359 7 date=1076722967
If you decide to take the offer don't go alone. It could be a trap...
oh no, his non-professinal mannor put a red flag up in my mind, then when I saw the site i just got freaked out. I dont do hardcore work anyway. just nude with some pink. thats why I always ask a million questions and make sure everything is worked out before I ever think about meeting them. havent been hurt yet, I don't think the girls he did get were as safe as I am though.
Jana: I put it in my "weridos" folder so that I can keep his address and exact words on hand in case he tries to contact me again. Also so i can show more inexpericed people who want to model what to avoid. personally i dont care either way if girls like having cum on thier face. (for that matter i dont care what anyone does as long as everyone involved is at least ok with it). I hope the girls were just acting and not what I fear may have happend.....
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I do a web site for gay men, and I get a TON of requests for me to do degrading things to my GF, and as they talk down the road allot of times they will tell me of a story where they were raped by their mom or older sister or had women humiliate them because they were geeks, and they express a hatred for women while before I subtly got them to reveal themselves they talked all light and fluffy about women like all their women friends they go shopping with sounds all nice and stuff like queer eye for the strait guy m BUT meanwhile they have this secret anger and resentment towards women.. Gays are really sneaky women don’t really understand what is hiding underneath their psyche.. All the while look how gay guys in the modeling industry treat women making them go anorexic etc while real strait guys like healthy women gays are putting out all this strange programming about what guys want hurting women and trying to have a monopoly on style fashion and how a women should look.. Why do gays have any part in presenting women to us strait guys??? Trying to convince us anorexia is cool? Meanwhile women love gays and think they are soo cool just to go shopping with…. Gays really do have a like a secret society I had a gay guy I used to be friends with and showed me a phone book where gays ONLY do business with other gay guys. They have their own secret language … I swear I was around a group of them and I could not understand a word they were saying it was like secret gay code, and sign language. They are powerful enough to steal words that used to mean happy. I never dreamed they had their own phone book!!!!! They will stop at nothing marking forward with their secret gay agenda. I pick up on things quick.. I study human behavior in general little do they know how aware of their inner workings I am. Dam I know too much! I could go on but if I don’t want them o come get me I getter stop... a little joking aside there is allot of seriousness in this post.
Peace
mystery
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Re: seems shady... model offer, am i right?
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Originally Posted by ami
I put it in my "weridos" folder so that I can keep his address and exact words on hand in case he tries to contact me again.
A Weirdos folder--what a splendid idea! ;)
I am going to start one, too. It will fill up rather quickly, I'm afraid!
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Yes, that and many other BJ sites are pretty degrading and disgusting to me. Wonder how many of those gals are desperate for the money for their 'habit'? I suppose some just like to be humiliated or really dont care. I suppose some do it for the fun,in an odd sense of enjoyment.
I can think of several other ways to do such a BJ site in a mainstream way that would be much more exciting to guys who like women to have fun taking and playing with jizz. Unfortunately I have not found a fun site like I can dream of online.
Further, if it is relevant, ...
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Originally Posted by mystery
I do a web site for gay men, and I get a TON of requests for me to do degrading things to my GF, and as they talk down the road allot of times they will tell me of a story where they were raped by their mom or older sister or had women humiliate them because they were geeks, and they express a hatred for women while before I subtly got them to reveal themselves....
I do not have that depth of experience you refer to, but I can imagine that is accurate for quite a number of gays. Likely somewhat similar for lesbians. Though this may be true, I'm sure that many of those non-straights came about their preferences in a more natural way. However, hating a gender or a race, or even a hair/skin color or sexual orientation, is a very stereotyped and anti-social attitude, and it is responsible for placing stress and damage in many inocents lives.
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Originally Posted by EffeZX
Men have simple sexual needs. They want to cum. That's about it. They might sometimes cum in ways that they think are inventive, like on your face or your tits, but it all comes down to the same end: a squirt of some white ropy stuff followed by a brief Xanax-y stupor. After about 20,000 orgasms, most men start to wonder, "Is that all there is to this cumming thing?" They get bored with orgasms.
.................and they start spending money on these wonderless sites.
Heh!
I think although there are exceptions you are generally right with what you say here. Allot of men might like to argue with you because of course they aren’t’ that way right ? LOL and people don’t like to consider themselves shallow. But to be a truly deep person in any kind of relationship towards others you have to be deep and honest with yourself first about all the positive great things and even darker parts to come to terms with which is why most people are shallow because they aren’t brave enough to be deep. And to be real is to understand how things work and make things work for you instead of thinking short sighted.
But a generalization could be make with men is many of us men would be just fine getting off on anything wet and warm. Men don’t care if it’s a out of shape fat girl even, so long as none of their friends find out about it. But of course it goes both ways and there is generalizations AVERAGE women could be picked on for to as well. Strange to me people strive to be what average manly men should be like and womanly women should be like as portrayed in media and thinking porn is real LOL instead of being strong in who they really are as a person which gets the best results.
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OK BACK ON TOPIC!!!!!! :)
Pamela
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Re: seems shady... model offer, am i right?
honey, this is why i don't do "mainstream". it's shocking how much friendlier some of the kinky stuff is to women. i've done red sets (that's period porn, folks), i've done bondage, i've done food, i've done feet, i've done leather lingerie, etc. etc... and alot of it, it seems, just comes down to exploring the different expressions of sexuality. some of the "extreme fetish" category, like red sets, really is much more simple- it's a fetishization of womanhood. let's face it, women menstruate- it's part of being an adult female, and it's an integral part of the reproductive process. but for some reason this is a fetish, while humiliating women, forcing them to participate in sexual acts, covering them in semen while they cower and make pained faces, this is mainstream. why is it so much more acceptable to humiliate women than to celebrate them?
honey, don't do it. run for the hills. your instincts were right- this is the kind of stuff that brings us all down, the kind of shit that makes those customers who grab us and tell us what dirty whores we are feel so self-righteous. stand up for yourself, and do only what you feel is worthy of you. otherwise, we all lose a little bit of ourselves as another good woman is taken over by the mainstream machine.
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Originally Posted by Pixie
I'm pretty sure that all the stuff about them not liking it and being abused is invented. Just like the Bangbus doesn't actually pick up and rape unsuspecting women (which would be against all sorts of laws--you have to get people's consent to use pictures or videos of them), I'm sure it's all an act.
Bang Bus is sort of real. The women know they're doign a porn shoot, but they are not told about the degradation ahead of time.
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/issues/...feature_1.html
Granted, a cagey women could figure this out, but my understanding is they try to find women who aren't. I regret the small amount of money I gave to these guys. I like porn where women are enjying themselves. This sort of trend in mainstream is probably why I've leaned lesbian recently, but even a lot of that bugs me.
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I worked for the people who do bangbus. They were preparing to shoot while I was in the office. It's all totally fake. That article really pisses me off. "Lori" is an example of the kind of person who shouldn't be making porn and who shouldn't be talking about it like she knows the business. I'm sorry she had a bad experience, but if you go into anything, ESPECIALLY porn, unprepared, of course you're going to be miserable.
The guys who do bangbus are really nice. They pay well. They treat you well.
And for the record, I'm a woman who actually enjoys her man to cum on her face.
But back to the original topic, I'm glad you listened to your instincts. Facial abuse has a bad rep in the business.
This is an open invitation to everyone: if you get contacted by a company and aren't sure, you can drop me a PM. If I don't know who they are, I know people who will.
Porn is smoke and mirrors. Just because it looks like the actress is being degraded doesn't mean she is. I've also been on shoots where the actual sex part was really respectful but the people running the company treated me like shit.