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Schools for Exotic Dancing
I learned about a dance school called Pure Talent ,based in Florida,last year and I have been interested in going. They offer classes for feature dancers,house dancers and traveling dancers.. Has anyone ever heard of this school or attended any of their classes ?
Have any of you ever attended a school for Exotic Dancers ?
If so what did you think about it ? Did you learn anything new and would you recommend it ?
Thanks,
Farrah
here is the link for Pure Talent for those who are interested..
www.pure-talent.com
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A friend of mine recently cam back and she said it was awesome! She took the class for features and plans to start doing some feature work. While it was fun she did say it was alot of hard work but definately worth doing again.
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I am going to Pure Talent in March. I have heard from other dancers that it was a very good school. Its very expensive,so it better be worth it.
Freedom
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Thanks Susan..I will take that into consideration. Was your friend able to work while she was there ?
Freedom, I am considering going in March too, maybe I will see you there.
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Here's the question...
Has anyone attended this school as well as the Dancer Wealth Training or is it like comparing apples with oranges ???
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Good question..I am sure Dancer Wealth will be here to answer it for us..
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I knew my ears were ringing for some reason. :)
I've been away from this site for a while as my wife and I just moved into a new house. What a hassle. I HATE moving. It's good for our two greyhounds to have a big backyard though. :)
Anyway, I took a look at their site and it's nice. It does seem like they are offering a valid serivce although I think their price is extremely high for what you are getting. I don't see a lot of value there. It seems as though the bulk of what they are focusing on is more about actually dancing and less about success skills in this industry. They seem to mention it, but are keeping that type of training on the back burner. To be honest, we teach very little about actually dancing because it really isn't where you are going to be making your money. In fact, dancing is probably one of the least most important parts of this industry if you want to do it to be successful.
My philosophy is that you don't need to be an engine mechanic to know how to sell cars. You just need to know how to sell cars. There are many girls who want to know more about the art and technique of dancing and we are going to be offering an advanced course soon teaching these things. For that, Pure-Talent may be fine for them also. Ultimately though, that should be secondary in your toolbox of skills on how to make money in this business, not one of the first. That's what really sets us apart. There are many dance schools we've run into around the country, but not one of them teaches skills anywhere near what we do nor do they have the backgrounds that we do to be able to teach this information.
In fact, we just signed an agreement with StripperWeb.com to start writing featured articles in the "Articles" section on here. Amber, my partner will be joining in the forums too any day now (she's been really sick lately unfortunately with Endometriosis) and will be writing some of the articles also. Our prices are going to be going up soon to their regular prices, but we will be offering some special deals to those coming from StripperWeb.
I don't want to make this post just sound like an ad for us, and yet I did also want to mention we will be offering a teleconferencing seminar within the coming weeks. We have been getting overwhelmed by dancers requesting information on our classes that just do not have the time or resources to come to Las Vegas to attend our classes. Until the time comes later this year when we will be traveling abroad with our program, we wanted to offer something more than just a video or a book on what we teach. So, we are in the works on offering a teleconferencing seminar where the investmet will be discounted for the program from our regular price, you still receive all the materials given in our live seminars, it is done by both Amber and myself, and we will be offering special scheduled follow-up mentoring for four weeks after attending the class. Best of all, the conference call seminar will be a toll-free call so you will be attending from the comfort of your own home. If anyone is interested, they should take action now before seats fill up as we limit our class sizes to make it a more productive class. Just send me an email for details or go to our website. Details on this will be on there later this evening.
I'm all for being better educated in the business you are in. I've done sales training for Fortune 500 companies in the past. I still continue to read book after book on ways to improve my skills too. Pure-Talent seems like a fine school, especially if you are interested in being more of a featured dancer. Is it worth what they are charging? That I'm not sure. We could easily charge $1000 for our classes, my experience has been that's a bit high for the market. Some of our past students will tell you they would have gladly paid that knowing what they now know and have seen the increase in their incomes. I'll be posting a testimonial on our website tonight from one of our January students. She was a dancer for six months who never could make more than $150 a night in her club, which happens to be the largest club in the country...Saphires here in Vegas. She was so depressed and discouraged about the business, she decided to not work for the two weeks prior to attending our class. The Monday after attending, she had her best night yet by far...$700. She called me the next morning and told me that in her 8 hour shift, she was only turned down three times all night. Her next night, a Tuesday, she made $980 AFTER tipout and club fees. I talked to her the other day and she's never had one night since where she's made less than $500 net. Look on our site tonight for details though.
Like I said before though, being more educated in your line of work is always an asset no matter what the cost provided it works for you. When I was a magician, about ten years ago, I remember spending $1200 to go to a magician's performance seminar. About 95% of it was worthless to me, but the other 5% was a HUGE asset and made the $1200 worth it. I'm a big advocate of taking classes and focused seminars for your industry. IMHO, it's a lot better than going to college for 4 or 5 years, taking tons of classes that don't serve you, and leaving with a piece of paper on the wall without one skill on how to go out into the world and succeed.
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From what I understand, Pure Talent helps you polish your stage performance.
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Originally Posted by DancerWealth link=board=27;threadid=6651;start=msg74394#msg7439 4 date=1076959589
I knew my ears were ringing for some reason. :)
Anyway, I took a look at their site and it's nice. It does seem like they are offering a valid serivce although I think their price is extremely high for what you are getting. I don't see a lot of value there. It seems as though the bulk of what they are focusing on is more about actually dancing and less about success skills in this industry. They seem to mention it, but are keeping that type of training on the back burner. To be honest, we teach very little about actually dancing because it really isn't where you are going to be making your money. In fact, dancing is probably one of the least most important parts of this industry if you want to do it to be successful.
DW,
I am an excellent, bright and witty"hustler". Thats how I make the majority 85%-95% of my income. It comes from my ability to "talk".
Even when I gained weight because of cancer I still made top dollar in my club. However now I want to take myself to the next level by fine tuning my dance skills.
Pure Talent is rather expensive, they just increased the rate from $500, then $750 finally settling at a $1k ($750 if you bring a friend). The classes are a week long though. If it increases my marketablity then I would consider it a wise investment.
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Originally Posted by Farrah_Holiday link=board=27;threadid=6651;start=msg74417#msg7441 7 date=1076963744
DW,
I am an excellent, bright and witty"hustler". Thats how I make the majority 85%-95% of my income. It comes from my ability to "talk".
Even when I gained weight because of cancer I still made top dollar in my club. However now I want to take myself to the next level by fine tuning my dance skills.
Pure Talent is rather expensive, they just increased the rate from $500, then $750 finally settling at a $1k ($750 if you bring a friend). The classes are a week long though. If it increases my marketablity then I would consider it a wise investment.
I agree with you completely. They ultimately don't teach what we teach even though we are in the same industry, and that's fine. There are a lot of "dancer schools" out there. Many of which I find to be very shady and not offer what they are marketing. These guys seem to be more on-the-level than most I've seen and if you happen to be a better dancer because of it, then all the power to you and I encourage you to take the class. It's like in real-estate there are tons of seminars teaching skills in the business and yet they all deal with a variety of different topics. One will teach you how to flip houses, another will teach you how to invest in commercial property, etc. One doesn't necessarily have to compete with another to help promote and better the industry, which is how I see the similarities and differences between their class and ours.
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I completely understand I meant to PM you after reading your post but, I got side tracked. Could you PM me info on your telecourse ?
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Originally Posted by Sapphire link=board=27;threadid=6651;start=msg74414#msg7441 4 date=1076962689
From what I understand, Pure Talent helps you polish your stage performance.
I wonder if I can accomplish my goals by just getting some stripping videos ? It would be a lot cheaper, my stage performance is very good I just want to improve it.
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I would not spend any of my money on those schools/classes (except for Dancer Wealth...which I am extremely interested in). The dance classes are teaching you what you already know...how to dance. If you feel that it would be worth the investment, then by all means do it. But I, personally, feel that exotic dancing (just like any other form) is more about FEELING and less about movement. It's about connecting with the music and sharing that. I've never seen an unattached dancer do well on stage, and yet I've seen other dancers that connect (and don't have the best moves) but know how to convey that feeling to the audience and do amazing!!
I like to practice at home...and I like dancing for my SO, as he gives me a lot of great feedback. But, this is one of those things that's like plastic surgery. You don't exactly need it, but if it will help your confidence (or help you improve an area that you don't like) then by all means, go for it!!
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Originally Posted by VenusGoddess link=board=27;threadid=6651;start=msg74463#msg7446 3 date=1076972355
I would not spend any of my money on those schools/classes (except for Dancer Wealth...which I am extremely interested in). The dance classes are teaching you what you already know...how to dance. You don't exactly need it, but if it will help your confidence (or help you improve an area that you don't like) then by all means, go for it!!
Personally, I'm a big advocate of education for expanding your skillsets. You are kind of 1/2 correct here. The dancing part of dancing really isn't all that important in the big scheme of things, and you also nailed it when you mentioned self-confidence. Self-Confidence isn't something you can just buy. You have to earn it just the same way you have to earn respect. Being a DD cup isn't going to help you sell more dances if all you do is fumble over your words. Still though, for some who lack some elements of self-confidence due to their insecurities as an actual performer of dancing, a dance class can certainly be beneficial. Self-confidence comes in many ways though. For some dancers, being a better dancer is it. For some, making more money is it too. That's kind of the one area where we overlap with them. There's nothing like boosting your self-confidence than learning how to double or triple your income. :)
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DancerWealth = I am happy to hear that you will be doing tela-conferencing, but to tell you the truth I would rather buy a DVD from you guys than have to fly out to Vegas or shedule a tele-conference, it doesn't seem like it would be that effective.
The subjects you teach at your seminar would undoubtably be AWESOME to learn, but I just don't want to go to Vegas. It all sounds like a hastle to me because I have a child and don't travel much.
Please, please, please consider taping one of your seminars and selling it that way. I would pay a lot for it.
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Does Pure Talent only teach in Florida?
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I believe so.. check their website www.pure-talent.com
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Originally Posted by MotherDaisy link=board=27;threadid=6651;start=msg74530#msg7453 0 date=1076984052
DancerWealth = I am happy to hear that you will be doing tela-conferencing, but to tell you the truth I would rather buy a DVD from you guys than have to fly out to Vegas or shedule a tele-conference, it doesn't seem like it would be that effective.
The subjects you teach at your seminar would undoubtably be AWESOME to learn, but I just don't want to go to Vegas. It all sounds like a hastle to me because I have a child and don't travel much.
Please, please, please consider taping one of your seminars and selling it that way. I would pay a lot for it.
We've pondered this many times. There are a lot of challenges with this, the most important of which is that having interraction and questions posed by the students is one of the integral parts of a class like this. Ultimately, we would never want anyone to feel empty because they wanted to learn something very specific from us and we didn't cover something specific enough for them to assist them. Every class we do is somewhat different than the last simply because everyone who attends has different scenarios and issues they need assistance with. A video series, no matter how thorough we can be, just wouldn't provide the standards to instruct what we teach. We are still pondering providing such a class recording, we just want to make sure that we can make it as high of quality as possible.
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Farrah- I want to say that she was able to work whiule she was there but I'm not 100% sure, I'll check. I know she did say she planned on going out but the days were long and she was so tired she didn't.
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Originally Posted by DancerWealth link=board=27;threadid=6651;start=msg74483#msg7448 3 date=1076975717
Personally, I'm a big advocate of education for expanding your skillsets. You are kind of 1/2 correct here. The dancing part of dancing really isn't all that important in the big scheme of things, and you also nailed it when you mentioned self-confidence. Self-Confidence isn't something you can just buy. You have to earn it just the same way you have to earn respect. Being a DD cup isn't going to help you sell more dances if all you do is fumble over your words. Still though, for some who lack some elements of self-confidence due to their insecurities as an actual performer of dancing, a dance class can certainly be beneficial. Self-confidence comes in many ways though. For some dancers, being a better dancer is it. For some, making more money is it too. That's kind of the one area where we overlap with them. There's nothing like boosting your self-confidence than learning how to double or triple your income. :)
I'm all for someone expanding their skills. If they feel that this is the way to do it, then that would be a great thing for them to invest in. However, my concern is that so many places teach people how to dance, but not how to connect. There is a big difference. Stage dancing may not seem to do a lot...but, I believe that the stage is where you get someone hooked...initially. The conversation gets them to open their wallet. But, if you look like you are just going through a bunch of moves that you learned, it just looks boring. No one wants to spend money on someone who isn't going to "put themselves" into the dance. Dancing is all about selling a fantasy. Sure you could have that fantasy fulfilled by the B-movie actress...or you could have that fantasy fulfilled by the fantasy itself (does this make sense? It sounds so much better in my head...LOL). Acting the fantasy and being the fantasy are worlds apart...and that is what makes the money and that is what needs to be taught.
If this sounds like gibberish, please go easy on me...my mind seems to be on "freeze" today.
Hugs,
Venus
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Originally Posted by DancerWealth link=board=27;threadid=6651;start=msg74568#msg7456 8 date=1076993509
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Originally Posted by MotherDaisy link=board=27;threadid=6651;start=msg74530#msg7453 0 date=1076984052
DancerWealth = I am happy to hear that you will be doing tela-conferencing, but to tell you the truth I would rather buy a DVD from you guys than have to fly out to Vegas or shedule a tele-conference, it doesn't seem like it would be that effective.
The subjects you teach at your seminar would undoubtably be AWESOME to learn, but I just don't want to go to Vegas. It all sounds like a hastle to me because I have a child and don't travel much.
Please, please, please consider taping one of your seminars and selling it that way. I would pay a lot for it.
We've pondered this many times. There are a lot of challenges with this, the most important of which is that having interraction and questions posed by the students is one of the integral parts of a class like this. Ultimately, we would never want anyone to feel empty because they wanted to learn something very specific from us and we didn't cover something specific enough for them to assist them. Every class we do is somewhat different than the last simply because everyone who attends has different scenarios and issues they need assistance with. A video series, no matter how thorough we can be, just wouldn't provide the standards to instruct what we teach. We are still pondering providing such a class recording, we just want to make sure that we can make it as high of quality as possible.
I think that making a DVD of your class is a good idea. Cover all of the basics...just do a "normal" class. What you would normally cover in your classes. Then, you can have set days that people can call in on a pre-arranged teleconference day. So, let's say that I buy the DVD (and whatever books you hand out at class) and I arrange to have my teleconference on March 6th. It will be a 3 hour conference and during that time, you can answer everyone's questions. It cuts down in the amount of time that you would need to spend on the phone (and for a stay-at-home mom, 6 hours is a long time to spend). But, everyone is still getting the information that is needed, and you are still being able to answer any needed questions.
Of course, with this method, you would just need to decide whether you would be willing to accept the fact that people will probably make copies of the DVD for their friends. That's the one main drawback that I could see. But, in the order of do-ability: 1. DVD with teleconference, 2. Teleconference, 3. Travel to Vegas.
Hmmmmm...make sure you let us know what happens!!
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Thats a great idea Venus..I currently take classes online, I received cd-roms for the classes and I need a password to log in and participate in the discussions.
Dancer Wealth, Maybe you could set up an online class on your website. The students would be given passwords in order to log in and participate.
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Originally Posted by VenusGoddess link=board=27;threadid=6651;start=msg74729#msg7472 9 date=1077052932
Dancing is all about selling a fantasy. Sure you could have that fantasy fulfilled by the B-movie actress...or you could have that fantasy fulfilled by the fantasy itself (does this make sense? It sounds so much better in my head...LOL). Acting the fantasy and being the fantasy are worlds apart...and that is what makes the money and that is what needs to be taught.
If this sounds like gibberish, please go easy on me...my mind seems to be on "freeze" today.
Actually it makes perfect sense. It actually sounds very similar to a portion of what we teach in the class.
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Well, there have been many good ideas posted in here about teleconferencing, DVDs, and web-broadcasts. Ultimately teleconferencing is the best way to go. It's certainly more cost effective and more time effective than doing a web-broadcast, and until we develop a class into a DVD series, we are going to do a few teleconferencing classes. Perhaps even record them for an audio series after we do our first one.
I'll be posting an ad for this in the appropriate section on SW, and details on the class can be found by going to:
http://www.dancerwealth.com/training.htm
The price is amazingly low for the quality we are providing and we are even offering some extra goodies not available in the past. I also suggest you go the the home page also and read one of our newest testimonials as well. Thanks for everyone's assistance with fresh ideas on how to make our services even better. I haven't heard one bad idea in here yet and we will be investigating all of them and more options in the coming months. Until then though, if you are unable to make our live seminars, you really should attend one of our upcomming teleconferences. You simply cannot afford not to! :)
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Originally Posted by DancerWealth link=board=27;threadid=6651;start=msg74824#msg7482 4 date=1077073419
I haven't heard one bad idea in here yet and we will be investigating all of them and more options in the coming months. Until then though, if you are unable to make our live seminars, you really should attend one of our upcomming teleconferences. You simply cannot afford not to! :)
Just to let you know...if you do decide to use some of my ideas, there will be a "consulting charge". I'll send you a bill...LOL. ;D j/k
I am so excited about your course!!
--Venus