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clubs that take % of TIPS and DANCES!!??WTF?
how wrong is this?
the club i work in, far enough,is a club that takes 50% of almost all the money you make. well they say its just 40%, but they also take a further 10% in GST ( goods and serv ices tax). thats off our lap dances. fair enough.
but is i right for them to also take 50% of our tips????especially when they are earned by the dancer, and the club has dont nothing to earn it. if a guy tips you for talking to him, tips after a dance, they take 50% of that tip.
if you get tiped on stage however, you get all of the money. funny thing is tho, the club discourages customers from stage tipping anyways!! there are no seats around the stage, maybe 2 or 3 girls a night mght get a $5 stage tip. lol pitiful really.
anyways.
its not fair they take our tip money. thats just fu***d up!!!!!!!!!!!! grrrrrrr makes me mad. i tell customers not to bother tipping.ha why should the club get that money.id rather the customet saved it! haha
anyone else work in a club like this??
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WOW girl, that really sucks!!!!
They take from TIPS too???? Grrrr That would piss me off.
My club is cool in the sense that the house fee is still low, and we pay a smal percentage of our dances...and tip the dj. But if we get tipped, we keep it.
Thats just WRONG!!!! :( Sorry to hear that, I'd be pissed
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40 to 50% is not industry standard and much higher. I did a spreadsheet once for ATF on net income projections and how long she would be dancing. The total tipout for all purposes( incoluding valet, bouncer escort, b ouncer, bar tender, waitress, housemom,
dj, stage (or hoguse fees) approached 40% if she made about $250 a night gross. That was a bad night. Wednesday night without me around was about $350-$400 with Fridays hitting $500-$750 and for some reason Saturdays $400-$500.
On a $750 night her tip out was about 30% max. In other words there was some economy of scale working in her favor. Also selling champagne got tip out credits, and VIP room rent (rent for the room to the house) tended to offset other fees.
Merchandise sales of useless items (like t shirts and hats) increased expenses, because the dancers had to buy the unsold items, and of course the "cattle calls" were hated.
I estimated that market fees for a good night ($450) were about 32% max from all sources.
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How do they even know how much money you make in tips? I would just pocket the money and lie about it. Are they watching you that closely?
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:rotfl: @ Mariah's comment. I was about to say the same thing before LOL
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Originally Posted by Mariah link=board=27;threadid=6708;start=msg74786#msg7478 6 date=1077064682
How do they even know how much money you make in tips? I would just pocket the money and lie about it. Are they watching you that closely?
ITA ...i would do the same damn thing ....tell hm to tip you in the dark if the bouncer is looking...i hate sh*t like that why should you do all the work and give them 50% .....oh heck no ...
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Aren't there any other clubs you can go to?
Seraya.
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Originally Posted by CA$H link=board=27;threadid=6708;start=msg74795#msg7479 5 date=1077066724
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Originally Posted by Mariah link=board=27;threadid=6708;start=msg74786#msg7478 6 date=1077064682
How do they even know how much money you make in tips? I would just pocket the money and lie about it. Are they watching you that closely?
ITA ...i would do the same damn thing ....tell hm to tip you in the dark if the bouncer is looking...i hate sh*t like that why should you do all the work and give them 50% .....oh heck no ...
I agree..unfortunately there are bouncers who have their eyes beaming on you in those types of clubs its sickening !! ::)
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I tip out about 15% of my earnings, including door fees. On a really slow night, I might tip out 20-25% because of the "economy of scale" condition, knowing that it will benefit me in the future.
On really big nights, such as working Superbowl, my tipout would actually decrease to about 10%, even though I tipped generously....
I also suggest that you create a spreadsheet of your net versus gross earnings, tipout amount, and percentages...then use a little Enron magic and see how you can finagle your way out of paying out so much....
Good luck!
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Well I would have a really hard time making friends at this club.. :P I say screw that! I'd straight face lie to their asses. lol Just remember that your there to make money and not friends. I'd give them what I though was fair (and I'm very generous) and that's that. I once had a club who took out 50% out of our money which is a butt load and then we had high tip outs for the 3 bouncers followed by the huge house fee. Then the manager expected a fat tip. I was like I don't think so. So I never once tipped him well maybe twice when we were dealing with tip outs on the computer but I just refused. He didn't like that part but he did like me. So he got over it and actually respected me more from it. As I see it-I'm the one makin the main attraction happen! lol :-*
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Mine is 50% of VIPs and then $15 stage fee. The $15 can be ninety percent of your earnings, or a good deal less [though I hear stories about making oodles, the best I've done on just stage and dollar dances is maybe $50]. Oh, and tip the DJ, but he won't take it if it's a slow night.
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MermaidNZ --babe you oughta come on over Stateside!
At the club I'm working at now, I just pay flat fee's
15 bar fee- for the club + $10 per hour late fee
10 for d.j.
5 for housemom
I usually have my customers tip my V.I.P. host like $5-20
and I actively encourage my customers to tip the bartenders waitresses and d.j.'s and make sure they know I encouraged it. I buy drinks for those people but rarely give them actual money 'cause I want them to see helping me as fun and mutually beneficial rather than looking at me to give them extra cash. It's been my experience that people in this industry tend to appreciate good, genuine comraderie and helping them make money rather than me just giving them a little bit of money...they seem to always want more , I guess this is a pretty greedy industry.
Sometimes though just to make it special and differnt I'll give a large tip along with compliments but it's when I have a great night because they helped!
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It's amazing the kind of crap these clubs pull. I worked one night in a club like that in Boise called The Torch.
After getting off stage the dancers had to take their tips and give them to the DJ! That's how he got paid: a percentage of EVERYTHING the dancers made. He kept the money so the dancers coudn't lie.
Of course by the end of the night the DJ was drunk and the dancers were drunk and there were discrepancies. Then there were tears and a whole lot of stupid drama.
Hence the one night. :noidea:
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yeah i would just hide the money and try get away with it that way, except, ALL our lap dances aree done in ONE room...one huge lounge room, not private at all.there are people looking in there from every angle....lol and the girls there are narks! ha
yeah im totally sick of this club taking all my cash. it sucks big time.
also, the most anyone can make is AUD$860, and thats if ou get booked ut from openg till close!! thats about $500USD. arghhhh this club is doing my head in!!!!!!!!!!
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How do they put limits on what you make?
Also...Can you get regulars to sneak you the money? Maybe they can give you little presents with the money hid in them? If you work in only one club you should be able to work out an arrangement so your best tippers know how to give you money...not the club.
I'm guessing the other girls have figured a way around this mindless greed. Try to find out their secrets! :thinking:
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Originally Posted by vanilla_dog link=board=27;threadid=6708;start=msg74851#msg7485 1 date=1077078646
I'm guessing the other girls have figured a way around this mindless greed. Try to find out their secrets! :thinking:
What secrets, the answer is in the original post. When a client wants to tip, ask him to give it to you on stage instead of the dance room. If you tell them why, they should have no problem doing it. Who knows, maybe it'll encourage stage tipping in general.
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I worked in a club like that...the only dances you did were in the backroom, and the club kept 50%. They tried to get you to tip out of your own tips...which was total bullshit. I just said that I didn't get tipped at all and just paid out of my dances. I know that they never believed me, but I don't give a rat's a$$. It's my money and I worked hard for it. I eventually left that club...bunch of morons.
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I also worked at a club like this. I lasted 2 weeks. They forced the girls to do lap dances. The lap dance money when straight into the bouncers. And then you get a cute ticket. Meaning $10 from a 20 dollar lap dance. If you went home before the club closed which was 4am. You wasnt getting your money. Why I dont know. I knew one girl that did the afternoon shift and could go home until 4 which I thought was wrong.
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mermardnz.. I'm not narking on you and PLEASE don't lump in with everyone else at the club. I just wanted to say that ... the club she is speaking of/about is the club I have spent that last year at (and currently still am at).
The way I look at it is this.. there are a few clubs on the Gold Coast however, unfortunately, even on the slowest nights/shifts at the club.. we still have more customers inside the club and the potential to make good CONSISTENT money than any of the other clubs.
I worked at Santa Fe Gold (which is across the road from my current club) and hence I did some "time" at its sister club down the road called Bad Girls Surfers Paradise. Santa Fe works on a fee basis only because it is THE worst club to work in.
Bad Girls now-days I have heard works on a simliar percentage instead of a fee.
Crazy Horse (the only other decent club besides the one I'm currently working at) works on a fee however I personally wouldn't thrive in that work environment. It is rather bitchy and you are on your own. I have seen it with my own eyes and the dancers are quite ready to bitch about other dancers with you there.
mermaidnz... look.. I've been at the club for a year now (started in feb) and well.. I'm not prepared to move until I have better options. I'm a Gold Coast Girl thru and thru and want my home base to be here so hence I stay at that club and "put up" with the way it is run.
Goodness.. I have plenty to bitch about that club myself however I do remind myself of the best bit which is: it is good CONSISTENT money. I can generally predict what I earn each week whereas other clubs I wouldn't be able to do so.
I know you're leaving eventually so please keep me in the loop about how you do elsewhere. I personally will be doing some travel in 2005.
8);D ;D ;D ;D ;D 8)
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PS The way they keep a track of the money is that all money is handed into reception and they "log" all the dances via a pad (you write it in) and computer. You also can't sneak tips out into the dressing room (your locker) as there are two cameras in the dressing room used for security purposes.
Those cameras can come in handy if you suspect someone has stolen something of yours... or anything else suspicious. The club is a good clean club so no one there does drugs (unlike other clubs in "the strip").. if they do.. they are fired. Plus fired is fired at the club.. you don't have a second chance.
Overall it is well run compared with the other clubs on the Gold Coast. I can't really speak for other clubs elsewhere (ie Brisbane, Cairns or interstate etc).
Maybe mermaidnz... you might want to try your hand at some of the Brisbane clubs too? Some of the dancers have gone up that way recently too.
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Lastly... yes I am with mermaidnz in re: how 95-99% of the customers won't tip even $5 to one dancer on stage and the 50/50 thing with "floor/dance" tips. I've said this in the past (at the club and here on SW) that I'm a stage whore (love performing on the stage) and that I *know* how to hustle for tips on stage... just wish I could as some shifts I would make a killing just via the stage instead of having to do lap dances.
Besides, I remember a little gem of knowledge I received in my time at my original club (Santa Fe Gold)... sometimes someone is willing to part more with $10 or $20 than $35/$55. They don't see it as spending as much.
The lap dances work out as follows so you can see where we both are coming from (this info. is posted in club information too):
Price Time (Dancer receives...)
$35 10 minutes ($20)
$55 20 minutes ($30)
$90 30 minutes ($50)
$160 1 hour VIP ($90)
No drink commission and as has been stated.. stage tips are 100% for the dancer whereas tips received whilst "on the floor" or in a dance are split 50/50. While the club (hence the hostesses) will encourage lap dances... I personally will mention how they can tip the dancers on stage.
Generally tho' no one tips as the stage is seen more of an "advertising medium" for the dancer. It isn't set up for table/stage-side seating and hence dancing. If you tip a dancer, you usually tip because you like the dancer not to get anything (in a way).
I personally will do something for that tip (do more of a show, allow the customer to see more of my pussy than everyone else, pay more attention to that customer) unlike the others dancers.
Yup.. it is up to the dancer whether or not to go full nude on stage. Topless is mandatory.
8) ;D ;D ;D ;D 8)
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whoah!!! thats a whole lots of info! lol sorry i replied to your PM before reading all this.
your right it is the best club around here. and i know you just have to take the good and the bad.
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The clubs with the higher house fees (stage fees) seem to have higher income potential (my opinion) but conversely they put more pressure on the dancer to achieve... because the house fee is and some tips outs are payable come hell or high water.
(Whether you make money or not). Being a big club but family owned, the club would loan dancers the house fees, but they expected payback plus interest within a week or two or else.
No the interest wasn't a juice loan of 40%, but it was about 10%.
They would also carry you on a tab for costumes, shoes, or makeup purchased from the in house costume supply shop.
However new dancers who weren 't "making it" would really dig themselves a hole if they owed credit card debt plus house fees on tab plus dancer supplies on tab. Was a real unforgiving and quick enterance (and in some cases) exit from the dancing business
with the fee schedule. Yes for two weeks the fees were cut, in some cases the fee discount for one week was 75% and then 50% and then after two weeks full schedule. The club would also loan out the
$350 license fee to the county in some cases, usually only after seeing the dancer had some chance of making money.
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Sounds like the clubs in Austrailia are even more corrupt than the clubs in the USA.
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I know the feeling! The club that I'm at takes $65 base + $5 every dance. Whats really messed up is that Tuesdays have 2-4-1 dances all night long, yep, EVERY damn song is a 2-4-1!! I have paid out $100+ after busting my ass and had just over $30 BEFORE tipping out!!
What state are you in? Do they serve alcohol, it makes all the diff!!