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Do you share money making tips with coworkers
How generous are you ladies with money making info?
As much as we all like to think (read me, me, me) that men are just ravished by our unique combination of beauty, charm, and dancing skills, we can probably agree that there are some basic tips and tricks to making money with most men.
I'm not talking about the "smile when you approach a customer" or "just be confident"--I want to know if you share the good tips and the secret Confucious knowledge with the other ladies.
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Re:Do you share money making tips with coworkers
I'm flattered if someone asks, so if she does, I will talk to her about it. There are girls I will share "he's a big spender" type secrets with, but those are only friends...and I have only one of those that I work with.
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I have in the past but this is what usually happens.
I'm making better than average money at a club....
1st--rumors begin to circulate that I'm selling my cute little booty in the V.I.P or that I'm meeting customers after work
2nd-- those rumors make their way to management/bouncers/housemom.
3rd-- I notice the tension isn't just the pettiness from the chiks, but that bouncers are checking onme in V.I.P. or that the housemom is giving me slack, so I
4th--charm the bouncers or mangemnt with my conversation, give them a bit of my history etc. Do a little bit of my flirting so they can see exactly how I TALK my way into customers wallets.
5th--At this point the rumor has been squashed by the mgmt/staff and the girls are wondering hmmm what is that she does that I don't do -what does she have that I don't have?
6th--eventually one or two get up the nerve to ask a few questions.
now at this point I usually tell them what their major problem is and how they can fix it--ie"stop hanging out in the dressing room" " Or you need to ask for what you want from the customers" maybe I'll let a girl listen to a sales C.D. or I'll share a book title with her. If I notice that she doesn't take my suggestion and use it from them on I'll just give her a generalized answer like "You just need to believe in yourself" and move on. But I've noticed that when I give girls good advice and it works for them, they start to give me nasty competitive vibes--like "Look at me I'm making (almost) as much money as you do"----It doesn't bother me but I think it's odd. If a girl gave me good advice that took me from 150-250 per night to double that I'd treat her better.
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Sorry, but I am selfish. It doesn't take a genius to figure out how to market yourself. Maybe if I felt sorry for her...but that hasn't happened yet.
I think some girls are naturals, some are their for mixed up reasons, and some girls, like me, put in a lot of time and energy to my business and should be compinsated for it.
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I will, if she asks - I figure the better the girls are in the club, the better the clientele will be and we all benefit from that. I'll also gladly direct girls towards guys that are spending money, if they're done spending money on me or if I'm busy. I don't have a problem sharing the wealth - it all comes back to you eventually.
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I have had newbies ask qyestions about pole tricks and my hair that i can remember, i taked with them. Kept it very simple. I do NOT like sharing the tips i had worked so hard for with others. The best they could do (as i did from an early age of 21 stripping) was watch.
NO if stayed away from the dancers. Except like i said the newbies who don't know you will come up and ask you questions, then they learn real quick i am not going to talk long with them or make a friendship.
Pamela
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I just moved to my area a couple months ago and found out I was pregnant just after moving. So I havn't worked in the clubs here. But I do attend clubs as a customer with my BF. We've been to quite a few lately so I can get an idea what the clubs are like here for when I dance after the baby comes. And what I've noticed is that in most of the clubs here, things are REALLY competitive between the dancers. At least that's the way it seems. My BF and I have even had dancers bad mouth each other to us. So given the climate of the clubs here, I'd say that I'd take my secrets to the grave when I start working again.
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It really depends on my mood and how I feel about the girl...
I am nice and all but, too many times my advice has fallen on deaf ears or like someone else said rumors get started that I doing extras etc. I do tend to do well my looks help but really its my gift of gab.
Then it goes back to I am simply becoming a selfish bitch...lol
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One thing to be aware of when giving advice is that if you do give it, make sure you are giving good advice in a way that you can make sure the other person really "gets it" and will use is the way you instruct them to. For example, if you to teach someone that in order to sell more dances, they have to do "A", then "B", then "C", then "D". "Do A-B-C & D and you'll make money!" If they were then to go out and do A, then B, then D, and skip the "C" process, they probably won't have much success and they'll come back whining to you or about you to other people. If you are going to teach something valuable about your experience, make sure the person you are talking to doesn't say, "Yeah, yeah, yeah...I got it" and run off into the club. Make sure they completely understand what you are saying. Just food for thought.
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I don't usually say anything. It's not that I don't want to share, but it seems that the girls don't really pay attention, anyways. Why bother wasting my breath with them when I could be helping a customer open his wallet? If it's before work and a new dancer is asking me questions before work, I will debate doing so then. Usually, I will listen to what she's telling me. If she's giving me examples of situations that she's been in and not made any money, then I'll usually give my 2 cents. Other than that, I just let it blow by as someone venting but not wanting any real info on how to make some cash.
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I havent but if someone needs help I'd help them.
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I have shared info in the past and when it's with a girl who knows loyalty it's fine, but I don't like my own secrets to be used against me. Mainly I find that if I share info and regret it it will end badly. If I share unconditionally it benifts me. Ironic.
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wellp, I'm too new to be giving anyone advice, mostly I sit back and watch and take risks [not like extras, more like "lemme try THIS phrase with THIS guy"] and see what happens.
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if a new girl comes in and is totally lost...and no one is being nice to her. i will help her out a bit. i am not really friends with anyone enough to swap tips or anything. i just dont want to see some poor 18 year old (or anyone really) embarrasing herself onstage.....
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I vaguely help the newbies.... give them a general idea or whateverbut no body helped me so I generally return the favor and let them fend for themselves. The girls who have been dancing a while and still aren't making any money usually have their attitudes to blame and who wants to go there with that?
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If someone is having a hard time, I try to help them out. If they are bitchy or catty, I laugh in my head about it, but if they are genuine, and havent done anything wrong to me, why wouldnt I give them a tip or two?
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I voted "I'm still looking for the answers myself!"
Been at my current club for a year now and I'm still learning so I can't really be in position to dispense anything. I'm not a consistent high money earner as I'm still in my learning phase.. I've only been actively trying to improve myself since the later half of 2003.
Granted, if I feel it will be welcomed and used.. I will share some of the knowledge that I have used with success.
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I will help out a newbie but for the most part I won't be sharing any of my secrets. Most of the advice I have gotten over the years only worked for that girl. It took years to discover my secrets and I doubt they would work for every dancer. My secrets come naturally to me. My secrets don't include any extras either. You just have to find your own niche'. Everyone's is different! I know mine is. Good Luck!!!
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I only give pointers to girls who ask, and then only carefully. Most don't ask though, but rather make comments like "you always make money". I am more of a pep talk kind of 'teacher' though. If I hear someone complaining or having a hard time, I tend to give them little confidence boosting talks, and later I'll see them out making money and just smile to myself knowing I probably helped. Some come back later and thank me, telling me they would have been in that rut all night if I hadn't talked them out of it. Only rarely does someone ask me specifically for hustling tips; I will give them a few tactful pointers at that point, but unless I know them and their strategies somewhat it's hard to give really good advice, so I will watch a girl I don't know and tell her little things here and there later. I usually get alot of wide-eyed reactions with "really? I never would have thought of that". I do tend to take on a mother hen role, and after some time at a club wind up with all sorts of girls running to me for this and that. Never fails.
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I am still learning everything too, if a girl asks me I will try and help her as bast as I can and hope that she can give me her advice too if I need it, it kind of gives the place a sort of team environment :) I also try to get the guys to book doubles for me and my friends its more fun and they do it for me too.
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I definitely do, especially on our local dancer site here. I've been helped a lot by tips from kind girls, so I feel I should share the love :D. Course, you really don't learn much from people telling you things anyways- you just have to go out and do it yourself, so giving advice I don't see as something potentially stealing business from me- if they're going to get good, they'll find a way, whether it's my advice, someone else's or just plain experience.
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I’m a selfish redheaded bitch!! LOL…. Nope, don’t share ANYTHING because, I have learned a very hard lesson in terms of what happens when I do…
1st: I get bad mouthed to customers whom I have had business dealings with (some girls will do anything to get someone who has spent some money on me to change their choice of dancer)
2nd: Tension begins to build and then its a race to see who can get to the big spenders that I have generously shared with the other girls.
I have only one friend at the club I work at currently, and when she and I work and I have a big spender, I tell him to spread it around.. I used to do this for other girls, but then they started leeching off of me and then it just caused issues. So unless my friend is working, I take my regular big spenders and spoil them and take the money on stage and off… I let the other girls watch while he comes to my rail and shows me the money… I keep to myself, keep my money making hustling to myself and at the end of the night when I cash out, I am one of the ones who has hustled my ass to make it to the top 5 on the list. Please know that I am a very nice person and would do anything for anyone, however, I have been back stabbed too many times and have seen first hand that when I am nice in terms of having my big spenders "share the wealth" I don’t get anything in return except a lot of bad mouthing and back stabbing… so I keep it strictly business at work, and do not share anything to help anyone and that goes for newbies… I am not a teacher and the one time I tried, she became nothing but a pain not just in my side, but everyone else’s too. I love this forum because none of us work in the same clubs, we can share all the money making advice here… I’d much rather put forth effort here to help someone than someone in my club who is going to back stab me and talk shit.
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Re: Do you share money making tips with coworkers
I picked "still figuring it out." I'm really new, and though I'm one of the better earners (not the best) at my club, I'm not exactly sure yet how I do what I do. Sometimes a trick works, sometimes it bombs.
Some stuff, like "don't lurk in the dressing room," is obvious, of course, but I've never told anyone even that. I think most would be pissed off if I tried to tell them how to do their job. I've given the occasional encouraging word if someone is down, but mostly I'm pretty selfish. My club has been really slow, so while I wouldn't deliberately screw any girl over, I don't feel like I can afford to be generous.
Besides, my club tends to have quite a bit of drama, so the less I talk to anyone there the happier I am.
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yea im too nice. If someone asks, i'll share. Even though iv'e been burnt on this a couple of times. ERR
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I will always impart advice to a dancer who asks. Most answer "oh, that would never work for me". Usually my answers are simple, like keep moving and asking for dances until you get one. I have encountered so many dancers who will sit and talk with a non tipping customer all night and then get pissed that he never bought any dances :-\ , Well, I would ask how many times she asked him if he was ready for a dance, and frequently the answer was "I don't ask for dances because the guys don't like it", or some such crap.
I have personally trained a couple of dancers that have become quite successful. One lady is now out of the business, and the other is still learning, but she has showed such an improvement that she even suprises herself. The girl I am mentoring right now was dancing at a club that focused on stage dancing when I met her, but she is intraverted and has a hard time self motivating to hustle between stage sets (at that club we are up sometimes twice an hour). She would only do about 5 dances a night on average when I met her.
So she traveled with me to a club that focuses on lap dancing, has a VIP room, and we still earn a decent amount of income on the stage (sometimes $300 a shift from stage alone), and she has really blossomed. She is awesome in one on one conversation, and has these eyes that are to die for, so the guys just melt in her presence. what it came down to was that spending too much time on stage was wasting her talents as a sales woman.
When I mentor a dancer I like to play "reject" with her. This game is getting out there and asking as many guys for dances as possible. The idea is to get a large number of "NO" answers. Once a dancer gets a yes answer, she has to start all over again. My record number of rejects to date is 27 before I got a yes answer. This is a great exersize to get out there and talking to the customers. If you are seeking the easy no answers there isn't really any reason to feel bad about yourself. It is kind of funny, but I will usually gain a lot of momentum and make a lot more $$ when I play this game with myself than if my goal was to actually sell a lot of dances. My attitude is that of fun and not of desparation, and the customers can definately feel the difference. This is a common sales training tactic of big corporations. they will send the new sales person our cold calling on a list of "impossible clients" just for "practice". There is no pressure on the sales person, and it gets him/her used to hearing the word "no".
Wow! this ended up really long! Too much coffee, I guess.
XOXO Paris Love