Re:New Thread from BW and AMERICAN
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Originally Posted by AMERICAN link=board=27;threadid=6870;start=msg79272#msg7927 2 date=1078107169
Women have done a beautiful job turning even the decent men in this country into a bunch of perverts......why not use your power in a more constructive way?
And are men so truly weak that they are helpless babes subject to our every whim? Or do they, as I surmise, have minds of their own? It's called personal responsibility, and you obviously have no sense of it.
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Maybe some of you will change your story in years to come when you finally see it's not working for you and your looks and bodies become old and wrinkled and your husbands leave you for younger, more beautiful women (you sure won't be the sex able to get a young stud).
This is beyond laughable. Quick lesson here, American; one cannot use absolutes in debate, as even one instance which you claim is impossible makes your argument baseless. The head diva at my club not only makes the most money while being the oldest woman there, but is also married to a man young enough to be her son, which totally refutes your preposterous claims. And that is why your arguments are so much hot air; you spend vast amounts of energy making up a fantasy set of "facts" and trying your damnest to force it to fit in with reality.
And heaven forbid we use too many big words with you. You claim that we are nothing more than the sum of our parts and an obscene desire to exhibit them, but when we prove you wrong then we are merely "uppity". You are going to be desperately disappointed when you discover that the world and people in it are not whatever one-dimensional creatures that you announce they are, and that the vehemence of said announcements does not change that.
Re:New Thread from BW and AMERICAN
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Originally Posted by AMERICAN link=board=27;threadid=6870;start=msg79276#msg7927 6 date=1078107943
I would like to ask you, Blade, IF it were possible to have a gorgeous, blue-eyed, long-haired blonde (may not be your hair color but just imagine), who works out every single day, 5'5", 125 pounds, tight and toned and tan, who is the mother of your beautiful children, who is extremely uninhibited in the bedroom, who loves to give you oral sex ANYTIME you ask her (but you have to be sweet and not demand it), who will dance for you to turn you on, loves anal sex if you love anal sex, loves to bring herself to orgasm while you watch, loves to receive oral sex, keeps up her appearance, takes care of your home, is there when you want to talk, and proves by her actions that she only fantasizes about YOU.......wouldn't you rather have this kind of woman than a woman that takes off her clothes to turn other men on and talks about other men's gorgeous, muscular, perfect bodies all the time?
Well............I am that kind of woman. And you know what? You probably don't believe it. And if you don't, then that proves my point that you are hanging around the wrong kind of woman. But again, maybe you're not interested in this kind of woman? Many men actually are. They just are starting to believe that women like me don't exist. And we are definitely becoming a dying breed.
The woman you describe sounds excellent albiet she isn't my kind of woman entirely.I have the woman of my dreams in Deanna,the only minor differences being size and hair/eye colour. The major difference is my ideal woman enjoys being a fantasy for others as well as me. When I first met Dea she wasn't a dancer and really wasn't too much into the idea of becoming one. I was working as a bouncer (must break into song..I was working as a waitress in a coctail bar when i first met you..) at a strip joint to make extra money and saw how much the women were making on a nightly basis. It was more than both of us were making weekly combined!She had recently had our second child and wasn't feeling too pretty, even tho I felt she was prettier than 90% of the dancers I worked with, but I thought her dancing would be a great way for us to get ahead, so I mentioned it to her and was shot down.She however did decide to bartend and see what kind of money,atmosphere etc.. were involved.Flash foward 2 years or so later and I jokingly mentioned it to her again (I thought it would be cool to see her dance onstage for my 30th birthday) and this time she said ok. Well she loved it!
We have both always been exhibitionists, in one way or another so becoming a dancer seemed like a normal transition for her.
As far as her talking about other men,once the bitching about work is done with there is no mention of other men,except if we happen to see a decent looking guy and usually I bring it up"damn that guy is built" or damn that guy has awesome hair"(I'm bald mostly by nature so I suffer from a bad case of follicle envy!)Not to mention I can appreciate the natural beauty of the human form whether or not it belongs to a male.
You say I would not believe you are the kind of woman you've described but you are wrong. I have no idea or proof of what you look like so I have to believe that you are as you describe. I disagree with you that the type of woman you descibe is becoming a dying breed, I feel that for the most part they are morphing into the women that you see represented on this site.The difference being, these women take off their clothing for work.
Both Dea and I have plenty of friends/family that don't go to stripclubs or look at pornography and thats fine by us.
I have noticed that the majority of friends or family that live that life are , for the most part, miserable unhappy people who make rash judgements about others without fully understanding the situation. Have we lost friends or family because of our choice of jobs? No. In fact the ones that have bothered to mention it at all usually realize we are consenting adults and are free to choose the lifestyle we see fit.Granted we don't work 9-5, we work noon-7 or 6-close, but it allows us both more time to dedicate to our children(family is VERY important to the both of us.) and their school.My parents worked conventional jobs as I was growing up and there were plenty of school events they couldn't make it to because of work schedules,both Dea and I have made it to every school function and will continue to do so as long as we are able to.We both realize that her dancing can't last forever and I can only spin cds for so long as well.I am able to go to school because of my job, and after I graduate Dea can also attend school if she desires.All this and money too...I have to end this post by saying I love my family, my job and my life and wouldn't change a thing about it.
Re:New Thread from BW and AMERICAN
Dear Pamela,
I liked how candid you were with your reply. Since you said your 'next' man will be your equal does that mean you've never had a b/f be your equal before? Usually people that like to be in charge never end up with an equal b/c that doesn't balance out. So I was just curious. Good luck and let us know how it goes!!
American....I find myself as being a very tough woman. Hard to tie down. And if i did not want to put myself inside a club for money i would not. I like to take the lead (control) at times. And the man i am with next, we will be equals! I do not put myself at the mercy of a man and his money. Actually instrip clubs, i agree to an extent we are dependent on our behaviour if he pays up.
Try phone sex! Who's in control then? ME. He pays me, i give a fantasy, if i don't like him...I simply hang up.
Pamela
Re:New Thread from BW and AMERICAN
Dear Polecat,
I think you might be wrong about this one. I have been around a lot of body-builders and GQ type men that get stared at for their looks. I used to only date GQ hottie type men. I just asked a hottie male friend of mine that is always getting attention from women how he feels about it....he said he feels uncomfortable if it is excessive or too invasive....but if it is subtle and nice he enjoys it. At clubs strange women will come up and grab his package....he is always shocked and VERY annoyed by that level of aggressiveness. I've known other hot males that have felt that way too.
The type of attention that American mentioned below is excessive and invasive. As a female, I am often asked by strange men if my rack is real or fake. That is very annoying. It has nothing to do with sex. I wouldn't ask a stranger if that was their natural hair color....about a tattoo on their body....etc. etc.
If anything, men are babies when it comes to women gawking at them compared to how women complain that men do it to them. I've known and dated enough hunks and body builders to know about this.
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The question is, why exactly are you tired of of being "treated" this way?
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I say this as men receive the same if they are exceptional. Body builders, "hunkish" men that compete and whatnot are similarly gawked at by women when going to the gym, at the grocery store- even if wearing non-provocative clothing. You don't ever hear men complaining though as it's societally accepted.
I read it that you are still living a mindset created by men to force you to feel guilty or "cheap" about your sexuality. This mindset was conditioned into you since the self-awareness of your sexuality is deemed "dirty" or "improper"...
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Things that get our attention have a natural inclination to GET that attention. To inhibit such is a travesty as we are denying our inner instincts.
American males are obsessed with breasts much more than males from other countries. If it was the natural instinct of males then it would be all of them. Also, the difference between animals and humans is the ability to control their primitive instincts and not act on them - a very basic sign of maturity!!
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Stronger discipline is placed on women for their natural urges, and to ease such discipline for men- it's either culturally accepted they gawk and look openly, or women are chided/inhibited from exposing flesh to remove the temptation.
Good point!!
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If you flip the tables and think for a moment from the alternate perspective- it's currently men against men, and we give women what WE want.
How is this the case?