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Re:keeping a high-spendng regular
Thanks hon, this has always been my style. Guess i am chicken shit when it comes to leading guys on. I dance in Fl, and south Florida will teach you quick put out if you play, or keep your mouth shut.
She has her own style and that is fine, it works for her. The smarter dancers will not use this advice anyway.
Kisses,
Pamela
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Pamela: I just don't see where you get off posting "Don't hustle" in in the Hustle Hut and "Don't Lead a guy on" when the girl is asking for advice on how to lead a guy on. :o I know I'm an easy target but come on!
As for taking checks...lmao...I don't know ANYONE in this biz who takes checks - much less requires them! Would any girl take a check for a VIP session? Not I!
Further, most customers don't want to give a check to a stripper since most checks have real name, address, phone #, the Ms. name as well as the occasion DL#. Then there is that pesky paper trail evidencing time and money mispent. Plus I have to leave the 'pay to the order of' blank because I don't want to write my name in there and customers tend to not like to make it out to 'cash'. But whatever works for ya hon.
As for giving bad advice to newbies they are big girls and can sort it out for themselves. I'm not trying to be role model or I wouldn't be a stripper. Considering the extreme pressure to provide sexual extra's going on I am suggesting alternatives. The stuff I am saying is really quite mellow, anyway. Softball if you will.
I recently worked in a place where the girls used to have this routine when a guy propositioned them. It went like this:
Guy: *whispering in her ear* I'd really like to fuck you.
Dancer: *purring in his ear* How about if I fuck you?
Guy: Mmmmm yeah. How much?
Dancer: *looking in his eyes* How much do you have?
Guy: *pulls out all his cash* Umm....$400. Is that enough?
Dancer: *takes the cash* Yes baby!
Dancer stands up and laughs: you just got fucked!
If the guy gets pissy the bouncer tosses him out. Once a girl's tires got slashed but those girls made gobs of cash on that scam. Enough to buy new tires!
Let's be realistic. Most dancers aren't like you Pam. You don't drink or do drugs, you don't take tips, you don't ever do anything illegal, you never take cash, you report ALL your income blah blah blah. Many clubs require dancers to report all solicitations to club management in case the violator is LE. How many girls do that?
And just to keep the record straight: I don't drink alcohol, and I never said I did. There's a whole other scam where dancers pretend to drink alcohol but order non-alcoholic drinks. You wouldn't do that, though, would you pam - it's unethical!
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Re:keeping a high-spendng regular
I think everyone has to find what they consider to be their ethical comfort level.
Personally I couldnt use the last example Vanilla mentioned, and I m sure she was just mentioning it as a example of wildly exploitive behaviour, not necessarily recommending it .
I liked the first example as something that I hadnt thought of as a way to divert a situation that has already become akward without painiting myself into a corner of ever increasing promises vague or otherwise.
I wouldnt suggest this is a good tact to take with each customer, but I think it does show one possible solution to the question that was first asked.
I respect both Pamela and Vanilla for their individual positions, I dont think they will ever see eye to eye. But the fact that opinions differ so much here is what makes stripper web such a valuable resource (IMO)
Nicole
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Re:keeping a high-spendng regular
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Originally Posted by nicole link=board=9;threadid=7444;start=msg85892#msg85892 date=1079658399
Personally I couldnt use the last example Vanilla mentioned, and I m sure she was just mentioning it as a example of wildly exploitive behaviour, not necessarily recommending it ...
Definitely NOT recommending it. One must take into account I was new to that bar but the girls running that scam had been born and raised in that town.
The girl who explained it to me also happened to be married to the DJ. And since it was a small bar the DJ also happened to be the bouncer! He had great incentive to help this scam along and they had both worked there for years.
What works for one hustler may not work for another! :juggle:
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Originally Posted by Pamela link=board=9;threadid=7444;start=msg85838#msg85838 date=1079648422
Vanilla i tell you what i have worked clubs along time. I squeeze my tits he thinks WOW nice tits! I say maybe later, what the hell you think is going through his mind then?
And no, i don't expect everyone to behave like me, i guess i am just floored by the advice here. Because some dancers use this stuff, your not the only one, and get into some serious shit, when the club has a trespass on this once high spender with the dancers, and lost a "once" good customer. Remember we do have the power to mess some guys up pretty damn good, it may seem like no big deal to us, but it is to them.
Pamela
I don't post often, but I need to put my 2.9 cents in.
Pamela, everything you have written on this thread is 100% dead on!
Props to you girl! :10:
I, like the next girl, want make $$$$$ off of a good customer, but leading the poor guy on to thinking he's going to get laid and other head games is just...UNETHICAL. I'm very honest to a fault with the customers of what to expect and not expect from me. That way I do decent and, more importantly, he does not get pissed off. We're both much happier in the long run.
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Originally Posted by LapOfLuxury link=board=9;threadid=7444;start=msg85843#msg85843 date=1079649116
No, she isn't. I've never felt "led on" by a good lapdance or a friendly attitude. For instance, Pamela giving me a good lapdance and a friendly attitude is not going to make me think she is going to kiss me someday. There is no attempt there to make me think I'm going I'm to get something I'm not already getting. Any customer who jumps to conclusions from this behavior (and some do, I know) has only himself to blame.
On the other hand, let's say I ask her for a kiss and she says: "Maybe, when I get to know you better." And let's say she has zero intention of ever following through. That's a different (and ethically lower) game plan in my opinion.
Do I expect high ethical standards from dancers? Not really. But it sure is nice when I encounter them.
Right on, LapOfLuxury! I totally agree with you about good lapdance and friendly attitude. I do that all the time knowing the customer is having damn good entertainment.....WITHOUT walking out the door ticked off.
Leading a customer on to thinking he's going to get more just to make a few extra $$$$ is just plain greedy and a sure-fire way of not having a potential repeat customer.
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Re:keeping a high-spendng regular
Thanks Sierra,
bottom line we will all make our own choices on how we make money from men.
I have my way of hustling, and yes i do. But to be a GOOD hustler, you don't have to resort to deliberate lies.
Yes this is "hustle hut" but as you see Vanilla we have different ways of hustling, i am NOT saying don't hustle, if you read, but damn have some class about it.
I see your point Vanilla, i am on the far end of "dancing," very far from you we see, as the "good little dancer," wrong. I make mistakes, but not because i can. Yes i get checks or money orders, so i can report my earnings, again it's a JOB...even private parties legally should be accounted for. You know, cash don't show this.
The clubs in South Florida would eat you alive with this crap you use to make money. That's what's so scarey.
Stay safe, watch your back, good luck! Either way, i have danced alot longer than you, and worked around dancers who behave like you, they tire and get a reputation. Your time just may come before you are ready.
A bit of advice from my book. Rule number one: Respect yourself first!
Pamela
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Again with the threats! You don't have to worry about me coming to South Florida because I am well aware of the wild nature of the club scene down there! Also, I don't like cockroaches.
Your legal accounting of transactions would make my customers here in Utah flee from you like you were satan himself. So don't try that here in Utah because you would go broke. (See how lame that sounds?)
Why can't you just live and let live? If you don't like my advice post your own as an alternative. Why attack me?
Everyone can be a critic but I don't hear you coming with any solutions. You are not going to shut me down no matter how long you have been dancing.
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Shut you down???????
LMAO, bye Vanilla. I am done.
Pamela
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Originally Posted by vanilla_dog link=board=9;threadid=7444;start=msg85916#msg85916 date=1079667423
Again with the threats! You don't have to worry about me coming to South Florida because I am well aware of the wild nature of the club scene down there! Also, I don't like cockroaches.
Your legal accounting of transactions would make my customers here in Utah flee from you like you were satan himself. So don't try that here in Utah because you would go broke. (See how lame that sounds?)
Why can't you just live and let live? If you don't like my advice post your own as an alternative. Why attack me?
Everyone can be a critic but I don't hear you coming with any solutions. You are not going to shut me down no matter how long you have been dancing.
Vanilla, Pamela was not threatening you nor did she shut you down. She was just explaining the nature of the business in South Florida. Also I have every reason to believe that Pamela, with her beauty AND brains, would NOT go broke in Utah or anywhere else for that matter.
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Re:keeping a high-spendng regular
Emily this is what I've gotten from your posts so far.........
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Originally Posted by Emily link=board=9;threadid=7444;start=msg84903#msg84903 date=1079460446
The problem is that he wants more. He's made this clear. He will ask me how much for sex or something and I will tell him that I won't do it. He still keeps comng back,
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Originally Posted by Emily link=board=9;threadid=7444;start=msg84903#msg84903 date=1079460446
I simply cannot stomach the idea of having sex with him. I know this can't last
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Originally Posted by Emily link=board=9;threadid=7444;start=msg85201#msg85201 date=1079512628
He actually said last time that "he likes a challenge".
My humble suggestion is to follow your trusty gut and also to give the guy what he asked for....a challenge. I hear frommany men that they especially appreciate a woman who plays hard to get.... HArd for this man would be the amount of $$ he spends and if you slowly (or quickly since it's just 3 weeks?) break down you aren't giving the man what he's asked and paid for. I say give up nothing and only promise what you will deliver. Just as a lot of us enjoy our sexual power over men, many men enjoy their purchasing power over us. And no one wants cheap goods.
He's just testing you to see where your boundaries are, like kicking the tires on a potential car purchase. WE don't expect the tire to deflate or burst and the tire ( ;D ) doesn't think "gee maybe he's kicking me 'cause he wants me to self deflate. Give in and he's on to the next adrenaline rush, the next challenge, the next girl. Stay strong and you maintain yourself.
But hell, if you just wanna fu(% him for the hell of it go ahead and do it!
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You don’t have to fake it you have something to sell even thought it’s just a fantasy it is still the fantasy your creating and the bettor you make it the more anyone will be willing to pay for it. The fantasy is based upon your setup presentation if you’re a hustler you get people to give you there money. If not you’re a scam artist. It’s ok either way but your customers will see value if you provide them with real entertainment not just a mind fuck. I would call it lies with limits. You never say maybe but you never say no. The best way to never have to say no is too always be in control of the conversation. Fantasy is about illusion. Illusion is the key to a perfect fantasy because if you know too much this crushes the fantasy and reality sets in. On the other hand you need to give the fantasy direction and meaning.
The better you are at shaping the fantasy with out reviling too much info you can hold the customers real interest.
Just my 2 ½ cents ;)
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Originally Posted by Miss_Sierra link=board=9;threadid=7444;start=msg85904#msg85904 date=1079665159
I don't post often, but I need to put my 2.9 cents in.
Pamela, everything you have written on this thread is 100% dead on!
Props to you girl! :10:
I, like the next girl, want make $$$$$ off of a good customer, but leading the poor guy on to thinking he's going to get laid and other head games is just...UNETHICAL. I'm very honest to a fault with the customers of what to expect and not expect from me. That way I do decent and, more importantly, he does not get pissed off. We're both much happier in the long run.
If a guy wants me to whore for him and I tell him flat-out no, and he still keeps coming back to ask again then I say all rules are suspended from normal levels. May the best player win. "Ethics" are subjective at that point. If he refuses to take my repeated refusals at face value, then he lost the game because he doesn't play very well and not because I am unethical.
We aren't in this to spread goodwill. We strip for money. I am one of the most ethical dancers you'll find, but I see nothing wrong with giving as good as you get. High-minded ethics are wasted on johns posing as customers.
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Yes if you say no, and he keeps coming back, that indeed is a customer! You made it clear you will not kiss, or sleep with him.
BUT....If you tell him that maybe when he gets to know you better (menaing keep coming to see me , you may have a chance at "it") that's bad hustling. I don't even consider that hustling in a strip club, it sounds more like setting up a future date. Whatever the guy is wanting so bad, being outside the club activity, or a romp in VIP.
High-minded ethics dancer can go along way in strip clubs. Guys like honest, no matter what line of work you are in. If they want BS, some can get that at home or work.
Pamela :)
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Originally Posted by Lilith link=board=9;threadid=7444;start=msg86109#msg86109 date=1079726086
High-minded ethics are wasted on johns posing as customers.
Have truer words ever been spoken? :no:
Thanks Lil.
I just want to say something for the record: I rarely have the energy to propagate the illusion of 'Maybe'. I'm old, I'm tired and I have limited patience for the game. So 99% of the time I let those guys skate.
However, I would hate for my my failure to hustle those guys to be interpreted as evidence of ethics. When I say "No" instead of "Maybe" it springs not from conscience or good character but from plain old laziness. I just don't care enough to work that hard.
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True....its extremely exhausting game of cat and mouse to hustle that hard...any sales person or con artist can tell you that...but they would never admit it because these are trade secrets we are openly discussing....and boy does it upset those junkies...the truth hurts!!
I've never been that type of girl who, when starting a relationship, makes the guy wait 6 months to sleep with me..but I know many girls who do, and many guys who put up with it, even these days as adults....
This is because I'm lazy and horny...SO, in the club, I just pretend to be one of those girls who do that.....nothing really wrong...its not like this guy's end goal is to marry you...he wants to fuck you...keep teasing and make him wait...but its going to be a huge headache and the payoff could be big, or blow up in your face...as I've said before....
Ladies....quit sippin on that Haterade and let the real hustlas do their job!!! {{hehehe, Kat= dork! }}
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Kat - do you speak with a Russian accent? Just curious...:flirt:
As for trade secrets - yep! This is spilling the beans big time. However that is the beauty of the Internet right? It's all about he free flow exchange of ideas.
I do have to laugh my ass off at the Blue Site customers who get pissed at such secrets being posted. Luckily for them one of their brighter members was able to point out the benefit such information provides. I sure as hell wasn't going to :rotfl:
In the end, message boards do not represent your average provider or consumer, because Internet consumers are notoriously tough customers who drive a hard bargain. Luckily, people who shop online are still a small segment of the market! :shhh:
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I no longer have a russian accent...but it sometimes magically appears when I want to improve my earnings!!!!
I know there is a big problem with Russian immigrant girls whoring the strip club in some cities, but we don't have that problem in Texas. at lease not at the moment. Thus, the accent really entices some men who are pretty much used to Southern drawl, vato-esque, and ghetto fabulous....
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Re:keeping a high-spendng regular
You may have noticed there are certain trends in courting behavior. Some people are healthy and open. They love nothing more than saying 'hello I'd like to get to know you'. Ahhhh. So nice and straight forward. Then there's Gogo World where 'let me kiss you' really means 'beat my ass and call me a jerkoff'. Get into the game. A little discipline is probably what this masochistic boy is beggin' for. Call him naughty or dirty. No bullshit, some guys don't feel they're worthy of your sexy attentions. They expect to be put-down, put-off, etc. Either you can be his goddess or you can be his refuse. If you give in he may see you as beneath him and stop coming to see you! It's sort of like you have an S/M slave. Last week this dude got three dances but begged me to knee him in the groin at the end. I did and he gave me a $20 tip to reward my cruelty! ::) He keeps coming back for more so believe his actions not his words. Make him feel guilty for even asking to kiss or sleep with you.
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Re:keeping a high-spendng regular
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Originally Posted by Lilith link=board=9;threadid=7444;start=msg86109#msg86109 date=1079726086
If a guy wants me to whore for him and I tell him flat-out no, and he still keeps coming back to ask again then I say all rules are suspended from normal levels. May the best player win. "Ethics" are subjective at that point. If he refuses to take my repeated refusals at face value, then he lost the game because he doesn't play very well and not because I am unethical.
Agreed!
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Originally Posted by Lilith link=board=9;threadid=7444;start=msg86109#msg86109 date=1079726086
We aren't in this to spread goodwill. We strip for money.
When you buy something, those that get your money are in it for the money, too. But you wouldn't appreciate it if they encouraged false expectations about what you are getting for your money.
I'm not saying you need this lesson. I'm just making the point.
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Originally Posted by Lilith link=board=9;threadid=7444;start=msg86109#msg86109 date=1079726086
I am one of the most ethical dancers you'll find,
Based on your posts that I've read, I'm inclined to believe you.
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Originally Posted by Lilith link=board=9;threadid=7444;start=msg86109#msg86109 date=1079726086
High-minded ethics are wasted on johns posing as customers.
Sometimes. But they aren't wasted on YOU. Self-respect is a good thing.
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Originally Posted by Optimist link=board=9;threadid=7444;start=msg86237#msg86237 date=1079740799
A little discipline is probably what this masochistic boy is beggin' for. Call him naughty or dirty. No bullshit, some guys don't feel they're worthy of your sexy attentions. They expect to be put-down, put-off, etc. Either you can be his goddess or you can be his refuse. If you give in he may see you as beneath him and stop coming to see you! It's sort of like you have an S/M slave. Last week this dude got three dances but begged me to knee him in the groin at the end. I did and he gave me a $20 tip to reward my cruelty! ::) He keeps coming back for more so believe his actions not his words. Make him feel guilty for even asking to kiss or sleep with you.
So, in summary: knee him in the nuts, sternly tell him what a worm he is for even asking to kiss you...then say "maybe" while holding out your hand for a tip. :rotfl:
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It's well known what works in my neck of the woods, will not work in other parts of the woods. My hustling has a lot to do with honesty. I said alot, not everything.
Seems your smaller clubs like "anything goes", and treating them like shit really works! Clubs i worked at, you can not do this to customers, they are just not that type of person, and i am not that type of dancer.
In the end, it all boils down to what ever hustling works for each of us.
I prefer some class, as i expect to be treated like a lady at the club, not a slut. SO...i hunt these types of guys/clubs down, and very well at finding them.
This is why i would probably never get far with a cowboy! But very far with an engineer!
Location, profession, and class are what work for me in a guy. I have traveled Lauderdale (3 hour drive or more at times) for years, daily, because of the hospital i work, and the dancing down south was well worth the money.
I tried to put myself where the money flowed, while keeping my "other" job. That is hustling too! :)
Pamela
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Originally Posted by LapOfLuxury link=board=9;threadid=7444;start=msg86298#msg86298 date=1079755787
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Originally Posted by Lilith link=board=9;threadid=7444;start=msg86109#msg86109 date=1079726086
We aren't in this to spread goodwill. We strip for money.
When you buy something, those that get your money are in it for the money, too. But you wouldn't appreciate it if they encouraged false expectations about what you are getting for your money.
On the contrary, strip clubs sell nothing but false expectations and hopes. As someone once aptly said, if there were a sign in large bold print at the front door saying "You will never EVER have the remotest chance with ANY of these women. No, not ever." then the dancers wouldn't make any money.
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Originally Posted by Lilith link=board=9;threadid=7444;start=msg86109#msg86109 date=1079726086
High-minded ethics are wasted on johns posing as customers.
Sometimes. But they aren't wasted on YOU. Self-respect is a good thing.
And who says I lack self-respect? Don't patronize me with amateur psychoanalysis. That I don't go out of my way to be condescended to by johns in no way compromises my integrity.
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Originally Posted by vanilla_dog link=board=9;threadid=7444;start=msg85868#msg85868 date=1079652783
I recently worked in a place where the girls used to have this routine when a guy propositioned them. It went like this:
Guy: *whispering in her ear* I'd really like to fuck you.
Dancer: *purring in his ear* How about if I fuck you?
Guy: Mmmmm yeah. How much?
Dancer: *looking in his eyes* How much do you have?
Guy: *pulls out all his cash* Umm....$400. Is that enough?
Dancer: *takes the cash* Yes baby!
Dancer stands up and laughs: you just got fucked!
If the guy gets pissy the bouncer tosses him out.
I have heard about this scam before and have wanted to do that to many a misbehaving customer over the years but never actually did it ~for many reasons but the main one is if I accepted the money and actually said I'd screw them , and it was a cop, I'd go to jail :o
I can't say I have much sympathy for guys that have that happen to them IN a SC club, they should have called an escort or gone to a jack shack if they wanted sex :-\
Sometimes when I'd get a particularly insistant guy I'd excuse myself and go to the pay phone and tear out a page for escort companies. I'd hand that to the guy and smile
then go report them to a bouncer. ;)