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Auditioning in NYC (PEC? Scores?)
Was planning to head down to NYC and am wondering about both the procedure and the likelihood of getting into Scores or PEC. And are they really the best money making clubs to work in if you can get hired?
I've been dancing for a year and a half and other than on message boards, have never talked with other dancers about being an 8, 9 or a 10, etc. I'm 5'9'', 130 lbs, 36C (fake but nicely done), long hair, in good shape - no cellulite or stretch marks, one small tattoo (could be covered with make-up) and imagine my face would rate at either an 8 or a 9 (think I'm being pretty realistic). Oh and I'm in my very late 20s (although my body would easily pass as a 22 yr olds, my face looks closer to my real age though ie., I don't buy the, what seem to be mandatory "you look so much younger" comments). Can anyone tell me if that sounds like PEC or Scores material?
And how good of a stage dancer do you need to be? I definitely am not the best stage dancer in the world, especially without the pole as my security blanket. I've worked at the Foxy and Fantasies in Rhode Island and was probably about average at both places in terms of dancing ability if that gives anyone a general idea. And do PEC or Scores have poles on stage?
WIth regard to procedural stuff - do they audition or do an amateur night? Does anyone know if they have pre-set days for auditions and if so which days? For the auditions/amateur night, am I right to assume they require you to wear the outfits (scores:closed toe stilettos, etc) some of the other posts referred to? And do they require you to work a certain number of days per week or will they work with you if you come in for a few days at a time from out of town? And if you do get hired, will they let you work right away ie., the following couple of days or do you have to wait for a preset orientation day before you work?
Are there any relatively inexpensive places to stay while in town?
Sorry so many questions - just don't want to waste time/money/effort going/staying down there if it's a long shot and would like to plan ahead as much as possible. I'd appreciate any other suggestions or advice anyone has.
Oh, and if anyone has worked at the Foxy Lady in Providence, is the money at Scores, PEC or anywhere else in/around NYC, much better (I mean, can you consistently make above $700-$800/night -after tip-out of course). Am also considering GGR in Jersey - anyone know if the contact there is considered more than Club Fantasies or other Providence area clubs?
Thanks
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dont know what the contact is like in R.I. but ggr there is contact, they do a lapdance in a chair. there is grinding, but u can make $$$ there. I have only worked they a few times if u can handle contact they try it there. Also how is Foxy Lady?
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Sydney is being very modest- In a short time she has
become very popular at GGR.They would probably hire
you at GGR right away- they could use the new blood.
There IS contact & grinding there but you control it- the
"cookie" is OFF-LIMITS. 99% of the customers try to be
gentlemen & will respond to what you tell them about
your likes & dislikes.The other 1% can be controlled.
A sharp "NO" is usually sufficient and if not, you can simply end the dance & tell the offender not to come
back.Earnings lately have bounced back from a winter
slump- the top girls are consistently netting $1000 to
$1200+ per night.
You can make more at Scores IF you get hired and IF
you hustle enough VIP's to cover house fees & tip-outs
as high as $300 per night. Despite the noticable decline
in business- mgt. refuses to reduce fees.
PEC has been busier & has lower fees BUT it's harder
to get hired there and you have to hustle dances just as much as Scores.
Incidental expenses at GGR are lower- they have a deal with a local motel and their own "house" where out of
towners can stay.
Best of luck & let us know how you made out.
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Thanks you guys. Think I'll check out GGR first. Will let you know how it goes.
As for the question about the Foxy, it's pretty good there especially now things are picking back up again. The official rule for contact is the customer can't touch above the garter (mid-thigh if you're not wearing one). They of course allow it to go a bit further than that, but it's pretty minimal and most of the customers are respectful. As for grinding, most girls do grind a little, but again it's relatively minimal especially for Providence.
The club itself is very clean, well maintained and upscale in appearance. The girls are for the most part pretty good looking (not very good with the number rating system), but the standards for beauty are not nearly as high as they used to be. It is, however, considered to have the best looking girls in the area.
The management has everything very well organized and specific about what they want, but they have relaxed a lot of their dancer dress code rules. They like you to take their dance class when yoiu start working there. Amateur night is Monday night (be there at 8), but they hold auditions instead if there are less than ten girls. They'll hire whoever they like, you don't have to win to get hired. They're very concerned with the idea that you look classy and present yourself well.
Money varies of course- I like the Gold Room (nude room downstairs) best. If you can get guys in the champagne rooms there is really good money to be made there.
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Forgot to add - at the FOxy house fees aren't bad they add up to around $60 or so minimum (but as far as I know,they can be pretty mean to you if you don't tip out well above minimum).
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bunny please checkout the GOLD CLUB of N.Y.C.. IT IS AN NEW UPSCALE GENTLEMENS CLUB in dowtown NYC. i think GGR is a club in NJersey, yeah grind and u will do well, some pitch, come to GOLD CLUB and dance like a lady and earn big $$$$$$, no housefees
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Bighost, as a dancer at GGR its not "grind and you will do well" believe me. If it were that easy, Id BANK EVERY night cause I grind.
You have to be pretty, have a great attitude, and make your customers feel comfortable to make money.
Just cause we "grind" or dance nude on stage doesnt make us any "lesser" of a lady than anyone else.
You say no house fees? In my club the house fee is $60. Everytime. What about your club? theres no house fees NOW, but then there will be, and it will probably be DOUBLE of what it is in my club.... please elaborate.
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Bunny- go to PEC, i work there. . . i make at least 1000. . . w/o breaking a sweat! and the most iv done is 5820. . but i regularly make 1600, 2200. . i also only work 3 days. . (tues-thurs) house is 120. . . u can pay in funny without paying the difference. . . it is a 100% show club. . . you have to be able to talk. . and the mention that "you have to hustle just as hard to make dances is untrue" all you need is a good conversation, a beautiful face and body, and the right mindset with a customer in the resturant to get him. . . lol. . i have a whole network setup. . . i know who has a black american express (unlimited funds!!!!) who reserved a room. . .blah, blah, blah. . and i tip accordingly when i snag him. . . im always in a room. . . and you could be to. . . WORK SMART, NOT HARD. . . come to PEC and find out yourself, but let me know when your coming! good luck! :-)
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That's right Sitara- it's so gangbusters for you at PEC
that you're always looking to work elsewhere. Has she
had BIG nights at PEC?- NO DOUBT! She's also had a few dead ones too and if she claims otherwise then she's the ONLY dancer at PEC who's never had an off-night.
Call it "hustling"; call it "selling" or the " right mind-set"
the fact remains that if you don't sell VIP & champagne
room at PEC- you don't make the big money. PERIOD!
At GGR- there is very little if any hustling- the customers
take numbers and wait their turn for lap-dances. $20
for 5 minutes- $17 for you-$3 to the house. House fee
is $60; DJ gets $20 at least- most gals usually tip $40.
IF you are pretty, have a friendly personality AND can
handle more contact than in Providence- you will do well
at GGR. If not; then give PEC or Scores your best shot
& hope for the best.
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Kid, do you represent GGR or something?
What's wrong with wanting to experience working at a gown/show club? I'd like to try it, what the hell, some day! Having 40 guys a night groping your breasts is NOT all that.....hahahahahahahahaha.....
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Katherin I agree!! I personally think there is much more money to be made at PEC compared to GGR. GGR limit the number of days a week you work and every girl there does not make $1000 a night. I think if you have what it takes try PEC FIRST and then try GGR. I would rather do airdances anyday and get paid with a capital P that grind all night long. Everyone on this board has worked in various types of clubs and I believe that the longer you work the better the club you should work at. Why settle if you don't have to?
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No ladies I do not represent GGR. I'm just a customer
there. I'm very good friends with a lot of the dancers
there and thus am more "in the loop" than the average customer.I know the mgr. and the staff there.
I do NOT have anything against PEC. I've said many times: "IMO it's the best club in Manhattan; you can make a LOT of money there; more on SOME nights
than any "best" night at GGR ". If a few of you focused
more on your own reading comprehension and less on
trying to read my mind (or discern bias or ulterior
motives) it would be readily apparent that I'm just
trying to provide information and let people make up their own minds. I try to be brutally honest about all
clubs that I know about first hand- I go to GGR; I go
to Delilah's; I go to PEC; I used to go to Scores and
refuse to go back etc. I KNOW quite a few dancers all
over the country.
Contact is NOT for everybody. If you can't deal with
contact don't even think about trying GGR- you will
not like it.
At PEC, Scores, Privilege and the other Man. gown clubs
you HAVE to HUSTLE (substitute whatever verb makes
you happier) to make money AND you'll be competing
with a lot of other dancers just as charming and just as
pretty for the same finite number of customer dollars.
AND Manhattan IS becoming glutted with "upscale clubs" with no way that I can see of broadening the
"fan base" for such establishments i.e. they are basically
all competing against each other for the same people
and the ones who have to shoulder the burden of all
that competition ARE the dancers- Welcome to Economics 101! Sorry for being a bit flip.
Does GGR have any serious local competition? NO! The closest nude club is 3 or 4 miles away;their business is
nothing compared to GGR; the average dancer at GGR
makes twice as much as the average dancer at Delilah's
w/o having to hustle VIP's.
A number of dancers at GGR have worked at Scores; a
couple still do. A few have worked at PEC and Yes, a
couple couldn't get a try-out or make the cut. Most just
simply prefer working at GGR for a host of reasons.
Ebony- YOU don't work at PEC & YOU don't work at
GGR. Have you ever been to either club? Have you ever
seen PEC on a slow night? I have. Now lately it's been
fairly busy BUT let's see what happens when the summer comes again. Last summer, particularly on a
weekend, there were usually more dancers than customers.
Katrine- you don't work in NYC. Have you ever? Where?If so, Why'd you go back to where you work now?
All of my posts and all the opinions I put on this bd. are
based on my own experience unless otherwise noted.
If it's just based on hearsay; I CLEARLY label it as such.
Neither of you like contact. You've each decided it's
not for you and that's fine. But not every dancer looks
at it the same way you do. Some are willing to "endure"
it; some tolerate it and some ( God help us!) actually
like it; at least from some customers- some of the time.
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I've never worked in NY, but am keeping that option open for this summer.....contact is fine...I am just curious about what its like to work in a no-contact place....will try it in Dallas first, they have some gown clubs with lower contact...I am used to the whore dancer capital of the world, Houston....don't worry, I'm not trying to label/judge you....I'm trying to DESTROY you...hahahahahaha.....just kidding.....
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I have friends who work at Delilahs who have told me first hand what it is like working at GGR (some work at both). I have also worked at Deliahs briefly. I have been to PEC and from what I see their is great money making potential there. Far superior to any club in the area. Slow or busy night. My opinion is PEC is a better club. I don't think anyone at GGR makes close to 5K a night. I know Sitara's case may be special but if their exist men who spend that kind of money at a club I'm willing to go there. Especially if the minimal amout of contact is required.
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Ok let me chime in...
I am sure that in PEC you could make more money than in GGR on certain nights. I think The_Kid is just trying to point out that in ggr, the money is pretty consistent. Yes, there is a lot of groping and stuff, but if you can handle it, you will do great. If you can not, then lowcontact/no contact clubs are good too. No need to say that any club is better than another because some girls I know do NOT like to hustle. Some arent good at it (me for instance) LOL
I would love to try low contact clubs for extra income, but I know that in GGR I usually have a good night anyway.
Anyway, you can never be 100% sure on how a club is unless you try it. I know a bunch of girls who work at DD, and they believe that all girls at ggr are whores. There are a few girls I do know work at both.
I am not against any DD dancers, as I have a lot of friends who work there, but even they say that its very catty, and if you work there, not to mention you work at ggr because they will immediately have a negative attitude towards you. (EVEN when many of them provide the same contact in their VIP's.)
Anway that just got off topic.
The best thing for anyone to do is try out a club they are interested in. I am SURE PEC has great money potential for the girls who know how to hustle, and look great. On the other hand, there are other clubs where the money potential is great as well, but the ambience is much more different.
To each his own. If you wanna work in one club, go for it. No need for people to get all bent of out shape and say one club is better than another. That depends on each individual person.
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I am just curious about what its like to work in a no-contact place....will try it in Dallas first, they have some gown clubs with lower contact...I am used to the whore dancer capital of the world, Houston....
Katrine, if you do come to the NY/NJ area you'll find that the northeast "high contact" levels being talked about at GGR are almost exactly the same as those available in upscale Dallas clubs, that typical Houston contact levels won't be found anywhere in the immediate NYC/north Jersey area, and that contact is almost non-existant at the super upscale Manhattan gown clubs. Fortunately or unfortunately, the definition of "high contact" which applies to one geographical area might be considered as either "low contact" or even as "off the charts" in another geographical area.
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Ebony- you and I both know you didn't make much
money at Delilah's. Some dancers do very well there-
$1000+; most do OK and some don't do very well at all.
Contact there varies widely from little to none in the
private dance area to moderate up to "fun, fun fun"
in the VIP.
There is CERTAINLY money to be made at PEC- NO DOUBT! Big money- NO DOUBT! Much more than a
great night at GGR- Yes, but not for more than a few
dancers on a CONSISTENT basis. There are far more
variables that come into play at a club like PEC than at
GGR. First, you have to get hired there. then you have to be working the better nights and most importantly
you have to "sell" those dances and VIP's.If everything
falls into place you can definitely net about twice what
you could make at GGR- $2000 to $3500+.
LEXI- Are those bimbos at Delilah's serious? Don't let
them call you or any GGR girl that or anything similar.
THE NERVE!!!! With what a few dancers at DD's do in
the VIP they make GGR look like a Sunday School.Who
the hell do they think they're kidding?
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Umm since when you are my accountant? I made the most money I have ever made working at Delilahs. And for the record I have dances at more than one. The nude one (Toms River) and the bikini one (Pleasantville). I stopped working there because I didn't like working nude and Pleasantville is to far to travel in winter months for no money. Personal choice.
It can be catty but if your cool with the right girls you don't have a problem.
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i just can't understand why GGR has such a bad reputation... every club has their girls that will do extras... and i know some DD dancers that do a lot of extras also...
xoxo
heidi
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Sorry Ebony- I must have mis-read or misunderstood
one of your prior posts re Delilah's- my bad, I apologize.
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Heidi, I hear ya girl. EVERY club has a few of those girls, even in the upscale clubs I have heard. So whatever, I take what they say with a grain of salt. Should I be upset because boob touching is ok? NO! I guess its only ok if "you do it but dont get away with it" Ya know what I mean? Some girls think we are whores because its ok, but yet they will do the EXACT same thing (AND more) and still have the balls to say we are the whores. Shit, atleast I am not lying about what I do.
The Kid, I hear ya, I dont care what anyone says to me, because frankly, they dont pay my bills. :)
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Lexi I agree about Delilahs vs GGR thing. I know for a fact some girls at Delilahs do WAY WAY more than anything that happens at GGR but if somone at Delilahs find out a girl is from GGR they are the first ones to talk shit.
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Originally Posted by heidi link=board=4;threadid=7756;start=msg89895#msg89895 date=1080670392
i just can't understand why GGR has such a bad reputation... every club has their girls that will do extras... and i know some DD dancers that do a lot of extras also...
xoxo heidi
IMHO I truly think that this stems from a certain "snob" factor which originates with Manhattan clubs. GGR is close enough to the metro area that dancers know about the club. GGR also has a few girls who also work (or have worked) at the upscale Manhattan clubs. The "snob" factor arises from the fact that GGR management and dancers make no bones about the fact that the club offers high contact levels, whereas the upscale Manhattan clubs portray a public image that they are totally classy with zero contact (even though the private room realities might not match the public image !)
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Originally Posted by Lexi link=board=4;threadid=7756;start=msg90361#msg90361 date=1080770856
Heidi, I hear ya girl. EVERY club has a few of those girls, even in the upscale clubs I have heard. So whatever, I take what they say with a grain of salt. Should I be upset because boob touching is ok? NO! I guess its only ok if "you do it but dont get away with it" Ya know what I mean? Some girls think we are whores because its ok, but yet they will do the EXACT same thing (AND more) and still have the balls to say we are the whores. Shit, atleast I am not lying about what I do.
The Kid, I hear ya, I dont care what anyone says to me, because frankly, they dont pay my bills. :)
as long as you are comfortable with the the contact...that is all that matters... so f*ck the people that are snobs... as melonie put it... screw them... and you're right no one has the right to tell you what to do with your body... it's yours and yours only... and besides they're not paying your bills :)
xoxo
heidi
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Lexi- I know YOU don't care but I do.To me, the skin biz
is tough enough w/o all the two-faced pretentious
HYPOCRISY!!!!! For months I've read post after post
from PEC & Scores dancers boasting about their clubs
and themselves; how "clean" the clubs are; how only the "creme de la creme" can work there; how experienced and skilled they are at "Working Smart;
NOT Hard". It got to the point where they were
positively schizophrenic - telling potential customers
what a "hot time" they'd have in the VIP and then
assuring their fellow dancers that there was NO CONTACT- and scolding any Scores or PEC dancer
for posting that there was! Well, forgive the cheap pun
BUT the pussy is out of the bag about ALL of these
places. AFAIC - no dancer ever had the right to criticize
another based on what she did or did not do or permit
as far as contact, extras or anything else. Likewise,
simply saying that a place like GGR was "not for them"
would have been more than sufficient. But a few of
these gals just had to go further and try to clean up
the whole strip- biz themselves by criticising the
dancers, the club, the customers and of course its
defenders like me.
So when dancers at a place like DELILAH's have the
GALL to say that about GGR dancers I'm going to
expose their incredible hypocrisy. For you folks unfamiliar with the two clubs in question- it would be
the same if a Pink Pony dancer called a Mons Venus
dancer a "prostitute".