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Oh Brittany so now I don't have as many skills because I don't mind a little contact? LOL! Please. I have always been a top earner everywhere I went as well. I stated that already. I have not always worked in $1k/night clubs, because those are few and far between and I have not always been in an area where those existed. I like to explore, and most places don't have $1k/night clubs. But you can damn well bet I've always been a high earner, always one of the top girls in the club. I most certainly do know how to hustle. I've seen alot of other contact dancers who do too. I don't go to Chicago or NY because I don't like the cold, and frankly I'm not willing to put up with it. I also can't stand NYC! I did the Vegas thing, even worked at Paradise. It was just as hit or miss as any other club catering heavily to tourists and business travellers. I've worked other lower-mileage, traveller-catering clubs in other areas where I hit $1k+ on a regular basis as well, but there were also nights where I made crap money because the customers just weren't there. You can travel to these clubs during the primo times and always make high money during those times, but when the primo conventions/seasons are over and you've left town, the local girls living there have to put up with far less than spectacular earnings. I'd be willing to bet that even the best girls at Scores, PEC and VIP in Chicago don't ALWAYS make at least $1k EVERY time they work, unless they only show up during primo times.
And yeah, everywhere I've worked, especially where there was more contact going on with other girls, I've consistently made more than most doing less. (Oh, and I still manage to make the same type earnings since 9-11 that I did before, if not better) But I'm not so high and mighty to think that I need to shove my personal limits on someone else, or that mine are better than theirs. I realize you don't understand how I could be totally ok with touching a guy during a dance. You don't have to. Just don't sit there and imply you're somehow better.
You say you're not looking down at contact dancers, but your tone and certain comments say otherwise. As for your concern about whether I'll feel bad later on, you can rest assured I won't. One thing I am is very very very self-aware. I stated I had tested my own limits in the past, to see where I was comfortable. I clearly stated I have never gone beyond my own comfort zone. I don't sit and grind the whole song and I do NOT do any 'extras touching'. I do what I am comfortable with, and I feel comfortable saying that long after I've hung up the stilettos, I won't have any regrets.
If you have a moral reason for not wanting to touch customers in any way, fine. I'm quite sure there are plenty of people in the world who couldn't possibly understand how you could take your clothes off for strange men for money, but you'd prefer if they didn't imply they were somehow better for not doing so.
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I prefer to do a high contact lap dance. I have worked very hard to be flexible enough to do a really great lap dance. I take pride in what I do.
Doing low contact or no contact dances bores the hell out of me. I feel safer doing high contact dances because the customer focuses on the job that I am doing as a professional lap dancer. It helps me to keep a mental distance from the customers. I have a lot of life experience.
I think that low contact or no contact dances encourage customers to solicit dancers for prostitution. I hate the mental games that customers play with desparate dancers, who work in places that don't allow them to do their job, more than anything.
In Vegas the competition is fierce. There can be anywhere from 150-250 dancers. It is normal for dancers to outnumber customers at several points in a shift. Guys don't go to a Vegas strip club for conversation. They can pay their psychiatrist less money per hour and get professional psychiatric advice. Guys go to strip clubs to be ENTERTAINED by SEXY strippers.
If I can do my job and give a great high contact lap dance then I'm happy and so is the customer. That makes me feel good. :D
One lady asked what a high contact American lap dance is: Boobs in his face and in his crotch, stradle grinding and butt grinding. To me there is no such thing as a dirty dance. It's simply a form of entertainment that guys really like. It just a lap dance.
I don't do anything that involves any form of genital, oral, anal, or hand penetration. I also will not allow a guy to put his mouth on my nipple and I always tell guys not to pinch them and to let me be in control of the touching. I don't care if they touch my leg or my butt as long as they stay away from the area of the kitty.
By the way, managers usually don't like me very much because I don't need to work that often. I usually only work a couple of days a week. Sometimes I only work once a week. That's why I love being a stripper. 8)
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Originally Posted by Lexi link=board=27;threadid=7817;start=msg89797#msg8979 7 date=1080635334
I work in a medium contact club, and while I do not "LOVE" grinding everytime I am at work, I am "used to it' as Katrine says.
I will admit, I am the WORST when it comes to hustling, so I made it a deal with myself to work at a less contact club this wednesday. :) I am going to learn how to hustle and become better at working so I can work in less contact clubs as well.
hey hon... are you gonna work in a go-go bar? where? sorry i'm just being nosy...since we are neighbors and all... LOL
xoxo
heidi
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Air dancing gets boring. I don't simulate sex acts or get touched inappropriately, but I have always though touching was part of the job.
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I've never worked anywhere but Houston, so the high-contact here seems normal. Flounder stated it clearly- I've gotten so used to touching from men (and keeping hands away from the genitals) that I get slightly uncomfortable when a guy sits on his hands. Yeah there are certain areas that are off limits, and the limits often depend on the customer, but I've become reliant on some contact to determine how to dance. I hate grinding and won't do it. There've been times when guys ask for it (they're usually younger guys) and I immediately quit all contact and refuse to do any more dances.
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I'm not a big fan of customer contact as a good majority of customers I just dont find attractive, but I can handle legs n back ok. It extreemly rare I enjoy a customers hands on me but I tolerate non sexual touch
I have never allowed a customer to touch my breasts, even in clubs where its the norm & ofcourse the kitty is off limits ! I dont care much for them grabbing my butt either, 2 close to the kitty for my comfort so usualy when a guy goes 4 my ass I slide his hands to my hip bone area and purr that I really like to be held there. It works most of the time and if they dont get the hint I just stop the dance.
I try my best to keep any contact dances on the soft sensual level rather than a sexual one. The less a customer touches me the better his dance gets. My fav style of dances are the 1 way kind where I can touch the guy but he cant touch me.
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Yeah I'm not comfortable with 2way contact either. That's why I don't do it. I'm not bothered by a guy's hands or thumbs lightly brushing the sides of my legs or torso while I'm dancing (his hands are on the chair arms) but no outright grabbing or rubbing! I always do a better dance if the guy is kicking back and not trying to put his hands and mouth all over me. I will always stop dancing for a guy who gets too grabby or aggressive.
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I don't care for the no-contact clubs, not b/c of lack of contact but because of the VIBE there. I like laid back places - cozy, comfortable and friendly. And if that means moderate contact -- that's the trade off and I'm okay with it.
I worked for a while at Paradise in Vegas and like Bridgette mentioned is typical with low-contact clubs, I got solicited ALL THE TIME! It was such a pain!
Plus, I feel so stupid twirling around and around in front of a customer. I'd much rather be a professional and do my thing.
Lastly, on the respect issue, I don't worry about it EVER. None of the customers really know me, so how can they respect me or not respect me?
Anyway, the less-contact the better, but I'd prefer to keep the solicitation to a minimum and the entertaining (and $$$) at a high.
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I got solicated more in the club I worked in that had lap dances,than any of the clubs I have worked in without contact.Because most off the men travel in on business and most know better.Maybe you were solicated in club paradise beacause its vegas.Anyways what I saw was the girls who dances dirtier getting solicated more because the guys think they have more of a chance.
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Oh Brittany so now I don't have as many skills because I don't mind a little contact?
No....I'm saying that if you wanted to - you could make the same money without having to do any touching or grinding, etc. You do it anyway, because you don't mind it.....as I said in my first post....there will be a few who don't mind it.....guess you are one of the few....lol
And I NEVER implied that you weren't going to be a high earner....gosh...with the dances you are doing...I'm pretty damn sure that you are making 1K a night....if that's the amount of money that it takes to compensate you and make you feel as though the "job" is worthwhile...I'm so very glad that you are able to make it and be happy.
Time and time again in my posts, I have stated that I don't in any way feel as though I am better....I am just stating to a lot of women out there who are feeling bad because they are doing the kind of dances that you are doing...that they don't have to do this in order to make money....As I stated in my first post, girls like you were not the ones that I was posting my comments to...you are one of the few....congrats and cheers! Although you do seem to be a little defensive, and I wonder why. There's no reason to be. No one else has been but you.
And to clarify AGAIN ....as for people not being able to understand how I can take off my clothes for money (I knew this was going to come up, I can't tell you how many times in my career I've had to deal with this one)
I will say THIS, and hopefully we can put an end to this silly nonsense....
My body in itself is beautiful, and a work of art. Letting other people SEE it....isn't doing anything immoral. Neither is modeling, posing for an artist, etc....
However....there is a HUGE difference in letting people TOUCH this body and just letting them LOOK at it.
You can pay to see a performance artist do her "thing" but you can't pay to touch, degrade, debase, or exploit that same artist....I have the same bounderies.
BIG BIG difference between letting someone just look at me as a work of art or as something beautiful to be appreciated, and letting guys touch and feel and get off to my body...BIG BIG DIFFERENCE!!!!!
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Anyways what I saw was the girls who dances dirtier getting solicated more because the guys think they have more of a chance.
Nope, maybe if customers spend a ton of money on me they think they have more of a chance, but the weird thing is, it's the ones that sit and pay me for conversation who are the ones that solicit the hardest. I guess they imagine I'm gonna find them more attractive because they don't do dances?? Who knows.
But hands down, less contact makes me feel better. No doubt. But I hate customers looking for a "girlfriend". I like customers who prefer a lapdance!! I've just found what I prefer in a moderate-contact vs. in a no contact club.
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Originally Posted by Brittany link=board=27;threadid=7817;start=msg90348#msg9034 8 date=1080769429
Letting other people SEE it....isn't doing anything immoral.
I know a number of people who consider any person who takes off their cloths to dance for money to be immoral. These same people don't see no contact vs high contact as any different, they see it as all wrong and degrading.
I disagree with them but who am I to tell them what their beliefs should be. As this thread has shown many people have different beliefs about this, none are right but none are wrong. Please consider this and avoid saying your view is correct or right.
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Yes I think thats the point bridgette was making,that the average person who has nothing to do with this industry does feel that way,just in general about dancers.um flounder is that you in your avatar?If so you look like bubba the love sponge,Iam sure with the recent up roar with the fcc he is causing in tampa, you might know who he is.
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I'm not a grinding fan. But if a dancer has a soft grind going along with some other sensuous brushing of fingers or whatever, it can be quite heavenly, from a guy's point of view.
Contact comfort:
I've had a favorite dancer who said I could touch her legs or back. I enjoyed that.
I've had another favorite dancer who encouraged me to touch her in non-sexual places, and she would lightly brush her breast against my hand or my cheek, I presume as a "good boy" for behaving. I enjoyed that.
I've had another favorite dancer who took my hands, placed them on her breasts, pressed them harder to her when I started to back off, and just generally made me feel like I was 17 and in the back seat again. (17 was about nine decades ago for me, but I still remember.) I enjoyed that.
I respect all of them the same. I like them all pretty much the same. They all really did a good job within their limits to make me feel good about being a man. I liked each dance for whatever it was.
Weirdly enough, it's the lower-contact dancer who no longer dances. The others still do. They tell me they enjoy their work, and I look at their eyes as they say that, I read their body language, I listen to their voice inflections, and I believe them.
As for air dances - I've been told on a few occasions by dancers on the stage, "Why would a guy want a table dance for 15 bucks? (local price) He can get the same kind of experience by giving me a fiver on the stage." I believe what they tell me, too.
The level of contact does attract me some. Yeah, I'm a guy, and I like contact. All other things being equal, I will prefer higher contact over lower contact. Duh. But what attracts me more than just the contact level itself - and this is just me - is appreciating how much effort the dancer is putting into impressing me, and her seeming to enjoy our dance together.
So if the dancer doesn't like a certain level of contact, she shouldn't try it with me. Her discomfort will be a turnoff. She'll have a better shot at repeat dances by staying in her comfort zone. But I believe there's a lot more than "just a few" dancers who don't mind or even prefer contact. At least that's my observation from going to a number of clubs in a number of different places in a number of states.
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Originally Posted by michele link=board=27;threadid=7817;start=msg89876#msg8987 6 date=1080666056
I have to say,I have primarily worked at no contact clubs for tghe most part,but also did very little contact in the few clubs I worked in that actually had minor contact.
I've bite my tongue on this many times but I can not hold back any longer >:( Jenna I've watched you talk about how you are a 9 or 10 and so on and so on and you know what, I know it' s bullshit. You worked at Tattletales, a blue collar, bikini full contact ,grind club for how many years ?? ?? ?? I know several dancers who have worked with you at Tatletales and I met you at Thee Dollhouse a few years back. You were pretty enough I guess for those that like the completely fake look but I'm sorry you were nothing extra special and by no means a 10. And to be perfectly honest I found your work persona to be rude and just as full of yourself in person as you are here ::) My best friend worked with you in Clearwater for quite some time and she says that you grinded away just like everyone else there not to mention doing numerous dinner dates with customers, so get off your high horse and quit lying please because I've chatted with you a few times by PM and you can be very nice and sweet so come on girl, be honest and be yourself because this whole act just isn't necessary .
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Tigerlilly,funny how we have chated several times and you never mentioned you new me.But all of a sudden you do.First off all I never danced by jenna,sorry,I danced by kayla,if you really new me and your so called friend worked with me,then you would know this.Yes I did work at tatletales for years,that I have stated many times on this board,its no secret.Ialso worked at doll house and many upscale clubs across the country.But no I never grinded too all hell and I have never in my entire life gone out to diner with a customer.Anyways,I find it kind of odd how we have talked,pmd each other several times over the course of a year and all of a sudden you know me,hm, your comments sound a bit jealous if you ask me ,attacking my looks Iam fake and such .well you are entitled to your opinon.
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Please consider this and avoid saying your view is correct or right.
OMG Flounder....HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THAT I'M NOT MAKING ANY STATEMENT AS TO WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS WRONG!!!!
I'm about to go through my posts and give you a running count as to how many times I have said that it's not a matter of thinking I'm better than anyone...it's a matter of me trying to get the word out to girls that they can make money (as I and many others on this board do....)without having to grind, rub boobs on the face, or do "extras" touching....sigh....
As for people thinking that any person who takes off their clothes for any reason (be it to model, pose for an artist, do performance art, etc., etc.) These are those people who are so very backwards and such a part of the religious right that I'm surprised that you would even begin to use them as an example...These people can be compared to those who at the beginning of the Renaissance thought that nude paintings and scupltures were an abhorrance and an insult to God. Art in their minds (and in the minds of the religious right today) was only to be considered art if it glorified God or was a representation of a biblical event. But we all know that art now (for most of us) has a larger definition....
Again I will say it .....and now can we finally be done with this silly nonsense and will no one bring up for a while that it's somehow immoral to be nude????
My body is beautiful, and a work of art. Letting people look at it as something beautiful or as a work of art is doing nothing immoral (except to those of the religious right of course - who think that abortion, most art, homosexuality, etc.etc. etc..are immoral as well). There is a difference in letting someone view my body as a work of art and/or something beautiful to be appreciated and letting some guy feel, touch, and get "off" on body. Now...some may come back and say...but people may indeed be getting off even though you are just naked...but I retort that these are the same people who would get off seeing any type of artistic nudity...any girl in a skimpy outfit, etc. etc. I will NOT begin to hide my nude body, stop dressing sexy, etc., just because one guy out of a hundred may be getting off to it....this is what the religious right wants all of us to do, and the reasoning behind "the veil" in some countries.
and AGAIN...one more time for the record...no one is looking down on you here for doing contact dances...I'm just saying that if it's making you feel bad in any way, or you think you would be happier not doing them...you CAN INDEED make good money (probably just as much, if not more eventually) without having to do contact dances. Enough said???
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Yup thats me in the picture. At a toga party last year, not sure I should have picked that pic, a pimp toga on stripperweb, but it makes me laugh and it was a fun weekend.
Sorry no idea who bubba the love sponge is, now I'm curious, who is he?
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Sorry Brittany, no need to yell.
I misunderstood your post and if those were only your views then cool. My bad.
That would make my body a work of "abstract" art ;)
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Has to be a story behind somebody with a nickname of bubba the love sponge :o LOL
This is an interesting topic. I know you ladies get fired up over talking about extras but I didnt expect the emotionalism over something as routine as grinding. There seems to be an attempt to establish a hierarchy here. That kinda surprises me since, superficially at least, most of your posts in other topics have gushed with sisterhood. Now I detect an attitude embracing the idea that if you can make money doing air dances you are royalty but if you have to grind for a living you are down there with the bottom feeders.
Personally, I enjoy grinding ;D but its not the be all and end all to me. Its just part of the package which also includes just hanging out and having a good time. My posts will attest to that (although they are not widely read since Im a Blue Balls siter). I would think that you as dancers would recognize the realities of dancing at specific clubs in specific locations and what that entails. Frankly, Im surprised at the judgemental attitude.
FBR
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abstact art!! lmao Flounder!!
Actually, in some periods in history - your body physique would have been found to be the epitome of sexy and mine the epitome of unhealthy, unfertile, ugly, etc.!
I guess the moral to the story here is that each of our bodies is beautiful and a work of art, and we should consider and treat them as such!
Cheers!
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Originally Posted by michele link=board=27;threadid=7817;start=msg90386#msg9038 6 date=1080774203
Tigerlilly,funny how we have chated several times and you never mentioned you new me.But all of a sudden you do.First off all I never danced by jenna,sorry,I danced by kayla,if you really new me and your so called friend worked with me,then you would know this.Yes I did work at tatletales for years,that I have stated many times on this board,its no secret.Ialso worked at doll house and many upscale clubs across the country.But no I never grinded too all hell and I have never in my entire life gone out to diner with a customer.Anyways,I find it kind of odd how we have talked,pmd each other several times over the course of a year and all of a sudden you know me,hm, your comments sound a bit jealous if you ask me ,attacking my looks Iam fake and such .well you are entitled to your opinon.
OK just got off the phone with my best friend and I guess I did get the stage name wrong but I stand by the rest of my statement.
I never told you we met because you were so rude to me but as a former dancer myself I know that work persona isn't alway a true reflection of the real person and you were nice in your PM's so until now I didn't see a reason to mention it.
As for jealousy, nope sorry. Your look is my least favorite type but hey it's really popular with the normal stripclub customer and I did say you were pretty, just not the 10 you go on and on about being. Besides I've worked some of the same top notch clubs as you too so, jealous no. Annoyed at your whole " I'm Gods gift to stripclubs" attitude, yes.
Why? Because I think it's a dis-service to you but most importantly to the other SW members.
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Cheers back atcha Brittany! And thanks for the reponse...I rarely get them here LOL
I wasnt directing my post at you specifically. I was just surprised to see the facade of sisterhood crumbling just a bit based on several of the posts.
Sounds like you have a great business model and its working well for you. If you can swim against the tide you must have something special going for you. A sincere comment by the way.
Congrats on owning two properties. So often, big money earned is squandered but it sounds like you have invested wisely. I own two houses plus two office buildings so I can relate to your feeling of accomplishment.
FBR
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Originally Posted by FBR link=board=27;threadid=7817;start=msg90413#msg9041 3 date=1080776838
Frankly, Im surprised at the judgemental attitude.
FBR
I was thinking the very same thing while reading this thread! :o
When I was dancing, I was guilty of rubbing my boobs in faces. I was guilty of grinding. I didn't do "extras." I also know I hustled my ass off, and was financially rewarded for doing so. In no way do I feel I am less of a person or dancer because of this. I never felt these were things I HAD to do in order to make money. That is just the way I did things. Just because I allowed some touching, doesn't mean I was lazy and expecting money to just come my way...
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I work at a low-no contact club but shit still happens girls let guys rub there boobs and kiss them and kiss back in the cr.however i dont do any of that.I will grind every once in awhile but never facing them and if they spend alot of money.I will but my boobs in there face but not so they culd touch them , in a sexy u cant have them type of way.I dont look down on girls that do that i have a bf who doesnt even know that i dance so i feel horriable in general so maybe thats why i dont do contact but i know most girls for the right price will .Not saying that i wouldn't just saying everything has a price.