A thought I'm not advocating, simply putting out as an idea for discussion...
Why be better? Why try to be moral or good at all? Why not adopt pure survival as our foreign policy?
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A thought I'm not advocating, simply putting out as an idea for discussion...
Why be better? Why try to be moral or good at all? Why not adopt pure survival as our foreign policy?
Actually, there's no telling if that philosophy would serve us well or not since it hasn't been implemented. Everything implemented so far has been half-assed or half-hearted, and thus ineffective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weluckyfew link=board=1;threadid=9118;start=msg108222#msg1082 22 date=1084341953
Who knows if a modern day "Vlad the Impaler" approach to the current problems would end the turmoil. There would definately be a higher bodycount, but right now we are FAR from a "boot in your ass" approach to our methods. It's more like a "Let us look at your ass for a couple days.. maybe we'll put our boot in it next week.. or maybe we'll just call the whole thing off and go find another ass to put out boot in. We'll let ya know! Thanks!"
LOL Exactly, PC..
An endless game of Cat & Mouse.
beCAUSE, Stat!! Because then what would be the point of living? Live so that we can hoard material possessions? Live so that we can say we have more money/a bigger house/a better job than someone else? Live in a way that requires more and more technological advances and less and less earth-centered industries?Quote:
Originally Posted by lestat1 link=board=1;threadid=9118;start=msg108233#msg1082 33 date=1084343326
Why bother having children? So they can grow up only knowing other children exactly like them? So they can think that competitiveness is more important than mental and spiritual evolution? So that by the time they have children, our world is being run by rich, white men who make all the decisions for everyone else?
Shit. We already live in a world like that. Blech.
Kali
Ok those pics were disgusting. I have the video too....but wont watch it. After I saw those pics, I am glad I didnt.
FUCKIN A! >:( >:( :no:
:pray: this needs to stop
I just hate that we (and I was one of them) got so worked up over the POWs of Iraq who were on boxes, and tied on a leash... WTF for? I dont think I should have gave a shit. But I did because I do feel sorry... I feel sorry for the ones who, like Nick Berg, were caught in the wrong place at the wrong time.
But I agree....these assholes have to SHACKLE this poor guy, and then kill him in such a way that I can only wish the same back. Sorry if no one likes my opinion but this struck a nerve. FUCK YOU PUSSIES for not having the balls to show your faces. And while I dont agree with what happened to the Iraqi POWs, I atleast think that that dumb bitch had balls AND showed her face which is something we cant say of those retarded extremists.
And not to sound contradictory (but will probably)
I said, I didnt agree with what happened to to Iraqi POWs, but NOW I certainly dont think I care as much. When I see OUR men and women dying, then I lose it.
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Mt sentiments exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lexi link=board=1;threadid=9118;start=msg108272#msg1082 72 date=1084348245
LOL! You should say it how you think it, Lexi. Don't hold back. Let it all out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lexi link=board=1;threadid=9118;start=msg108272#msg1082 72 date=1084348245
If it means anything, the Kurdish representative to the Iraqi Council agrees with you. When pictures of US and British prisoner abuses first hit Al Jazeera, his comment was ... "Iraqis know what torture is ... this is not torture". Plus the prisoners involved in the US and British abuses were comprised of a small group held in a special high security area precisely because they had previously been involved in killing (or trying to kill) Americans, and therefore were likely to have valuable intelligence info about the islamic extremists. It is speculated that the "abuses" were engineered by the CIA and aimed at blackmailing prisoners into giving up intelligence information rather than have the humiliating pictures seen by friends and families.Quote:
For some reason, now that I see what has happened to OUR Americans, I feel less sorry for the torture that the Iraqi's went through. America cries because that girl had the Iraqi on a leash. WHO GIVES A FUCK NOW? He is still alive.
Nick berg is dead and the way they did it deserves a good torture for all of them.
I am sick of trying to convince myself that its STILL wrong to do it back, but holy shit. I dont think I can do that anymore.
On the other hand, the American who was beheaded was a civilian working in Iraq as a free-lance antenna tower repair man. The only two things accomplished by the islamic extremists in beheading this man was first to supposedly prove to Coalition forces and voters at home that the "enemy" has no qualms about committing cold blooded murder. Perhaps more importantly, it showed fellow islamics that the "warlords" involved are the biggest, baddest, MF's on the block thus worthy of respect and worth following/obeying.
In regard to the atrocity aspect, this was nothing new really - the Fallujah incident which started the most recent round of fighting involved the dismemberment, burning, and public display of American contractors.
It's clear to me that the islamic extremists, like the 1945 Japanese military, are likely to fight against the "infidels" to the last man and are also likely to have no qualms about using any weapons at their disposal to do so. Showing the world that they are perfectly capable of a cold blooded beheading merely reinforces that point, and REALLY makes me wonder what these people might eventually do with Saddam's nerve gas or a North Korean nuke.
EXACTLY! Have the balls to show your fucking face.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lexi link=board=1;threadid=9118;start=msg108272#msg1082 72 date=1084348245
That vid was horrid! Posting the link on this site was like driving by a car wreck - you don't want to see it, you know you shouldn't look, but at the same tme, that curiosity is overwhelming. I just watched it and am sickened!
Tie those assholes up and give Berg's family and friends a few hours alone with them in a room.....
Its sad that the same can be said for the "Christians". Your arguement can be applied to both sides of the fence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard_Head link=board=1;threadid=9118;start=msg108102#msg1081 02 date=1084327455
Unfortunately while we wait for an answer there will be many more innocent lives lost.
Ya, show your face you cowards! And we promise to stop using helicopter gunships, 10 ton tanks and missiles fired from 2000 miles away! From now on we're going to take them on man to man in the street, with broken bottles and chains!
Man, if the extremists could read these posts they'd be overjoyed, they got exactly what they wanted. Sure they killed 700 American soldiers, but who cared? But they kill a tied up guy on video, suddenly people are calling for all out war, which will of course further their cause by sinking the US deeper into this shitstorm.
700 soldiers die, no outrage. Thousands of Iraqi civilians die, no outrage (except in the Arab world, where they showed videos of dead civilians non-stop) Maybe if there would have been video of the embassy bombings, the Cole bombing, or the Saudi Arabian barracks bombing there would have been a national resolve to do something about terrorism before 9/11. but how bbbbooorrrriiinnnggg, without video you have to actually read to find out what's going on.
And for those now totally discounting the Iraqi prisoner photos having any relevance, can you imagine if instead it would have been Iraqi insurgents showing photos of the same thing being done to American soldiers and civilians? I guarantee there would have been more outrage over that than there is over the Berg video, especially when you factor in the deaths and at least one anal rape (sorry, no photos of that anal rape - and the man accused will go uncharged because he was a civilian contractor, under no one's legal jurisdiction.) Can you imagine the hellstorm of fury in this homophobic nation if it was revealed that an American prisoner was anally raped - the outrage would be greater than if they killed him.
These people are doing this on a freaking video to post for the whole world to see, what they, as human beings, can do to another human being, yet they feel the need to hide who they are? WTF?? They have the balls to chop off some innocent guys head, after 13 hours (that we know of) of mental/physical torture, make a statement to the world and PRAISE GOD in front of all of us, and then hide behind a mask while doing what they believe in??? Ok...Quote:
Originally Posted by Weluckyfew link=board=1;threadid=9118;start=msg108372#msg1083 72 date=1084384634
So we are in helicopters, firing missles, etc from miles away, but, HELLO, if we have the technology to do so, why not? Isn't it kill or be killed over there right now??
Should they be thousands of miles away if they can be, or should they be right there, getting their heads chopped off like this guy???
Agreed, Ants. Every word.
Furthermore.. In the pictures of the abuse of Iraqi POWs, were our soldiers hiding their faces? Nope. These Muslim Extremists like to act so proud and all that, so why hide your pathetic faces? They are nothing but cowards. They were so hell bent on sending a message to us, why not make sure we know exactly where it came from? Spineless cowards. End of story.
I can't even being to imagine the horrible additional abuse that Mr Berg suffered during the time-lapse on that video.
While it's true that the Iraqi POWs suffered some abuse at our hands, they still have their lives, and.. more importantly, their heads.
Arabs are morons...
After all those pictures of the brutality to the Iraqi prisoners the Arab world was holding the U.S. over a barrel. They could have made all kinds of demands that would have had us giving in to them on some issues. Then the morons go and behead an American, do they really think that is going to help their cause?
I think this is going to push to arrest more arabs in the area.
The missing link here is that the islamic extremists really don't consider anything that happened in the way of US prisoner abuse to even make the bottom of the scale in regard to the type of torture and violence which was (and is) typical in the mideast (see earlier comment from Kurdish Iraqi Council member). Thus the idea of being able to play on American/British guilt over prisoner abuse and actually being able to achieve concessions on the part of the Coalition never really occurred to them.Quote:
After all those pictures of the brutality to the Iraqi prisoners the Arab world was holding the U.S. over a barrel. They could have made all kinds of demands that would have had us giving in to them on some issues
Remember that previous activities in this same prison stemming from the prison's previous management involved employing "professional rapists", drilling holes in various body parts, cutting off hands, immersion in acid etc. - after which many prisoners were simply lined up and shot, and dumped into unmarked graves ! My guess is that the beheading was undertaken for publicity purposes among their own people, probably with the active encouragement of Al Jazeera types.
This WILL help to attract more islamic fanatics to join their cause, yes. The reason is that the leaders who conducted the beheading have shown themselves among their own people to have 'balls' and to thus be worthy of respect and obedience. I hate to seem racist, but I find that my best understanding of the motivations of these fanatics seems to come from thinking about them in terms of tribesmen from the middle ages, but living in the 21st century.Quote:
Then the morons go and behead an American, do they really think that is going to help their cause?
First of all, its obvious in the way that they kill EVERYONE that they LIKE to make the victims the "underdogs" (example: tying up the poor kid, or like in Daniel Pearl's case, they tortured him so badly that when they beheaded him, he was already dead)Quote:
Originally Posted by Weluckyfew link=board=1;threadid=9118;start=msg108372#msg1083 72 date=1084384634
So why try and fight them as if they are the same? They obviously like to think that they are BETTER, and by using their "GOD" as a reason to WHY they are killing makes them look even more disgusting. I dont think ANY God would agree with what they are doing. But no worries... they wont go to "heaven" and be greeted with 27 virgins, or whatever it is... they will rot in the firey pits of hell and get sodomized repeatedly by a flaming broomstick. Even that isnt enough... again they are fucking cowards. (The extremists that is)
I do feel very sorry for the innocent people over there in Iraq because it goes both ways... we have people here who feel sorry for them and they have people there who feel sorry for whats going on. I dont hate all of the people in Iraq, just those little bitches.
>:(
This is already out of hand. What do you mean no one gave a shit when 700 soldiers have died? Hello! That seems to be one of the biggest concerns! How we have "supposedly" won a war, yet the amount of soldiers dead AFTER the supposed war was over is ridiculous!Quote:
Originally Posted by Weluckyfew link=board=1;threadid=9118;start=msg108372#msg1083 72 date=1084384634
By the way, you say they would be over joyed? I dont think they have ANY emotion left in their pathetic bodies, so thats why they choose to kill people the way they do.
And your comment about "having to read" I think I would rather just do that. Why? Its not boring to me. I find it very informative and dont feel the need to give these son of a bitches the satisfaction of ONE more american watching their cowardly asses on tape. Fuck them! haha They will be maggot food soon enough.
I dont think the extremists like to fuck humans....I heard they like to anally rape camels, but again, I may be wrong. I mean, camels cant fight back so I can see the attraction there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weluckyfew link=board=1;threadid=9118;start=msg108372#msg1083 72 date=1084384634
WeLuckyfew, I am not against IRAQI's. I am against the sick extremists who use their GOD and religion as an excuse for what they are doing. Isnt this WRONG?? Wouldnt their GOD hate them for doing this? Or is it a GOD who loves destruction? wtf?
Lucky this is war, not boxing. In war you don't look for a fair fight, you look to defeat your enemy by any means nesseccary. That's how it is now, that's how it was in 480 BC, that's how it was ten thousand years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weluckyfew link=board=1;threadid=9118;start=msg108372#msg1083 72 date=1084384634
The U.S. has progressed....it appears Iraq never did.
And with the way the extremists want to "take over" it looks like they want it to continue that way.
Civillians are regarded by the whole civilized world as being off limits as a potential military target. Sure, a few deaths are unavoidable, but going out of one's way to kill civillians is called a "Crime against humanity."
sorry to break it to ya...... it is good that they wont be going to heaven, but unfortunately they wont be going to hell either. you see, just as rediculous as their claims are, so are "our" religious afterlife claims. there is neither a heaven nor a hell. so it sucks that they wont be tortured for eternity, but thats all the more reason to remove their flesh now while they're still alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lexi link=board=1;threadid=9118;start=msg108472#msg1084 72 date=1084402341
Im figuratively speaking, sanderson. If they believe in heaven, I assume they must believe in hell as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by sander8son link=board=1;threadid=9118;start=msg108494#msg1084 94 date=1084405280
I dont know about the afterlife, as it is something "unknown".
But I agree with you on your last comment. ;)
I'm really not even sure that this is even about their God anymore, they can't possibly think that any God would condone the beheading of anyone in their name. I just think they are sick twisted SOB's who are looking for any excuse they can find to cause death and destruction against a group of people that they are incredibly threatened by and feel inferior to. As they see it we are the root of EVERY problem they have and the only way to eleviate it is our total destruction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lexi link=board=1;threadid=9118;start=msg108472#msg1084 72 date=1084402341
nick berg, david pearl :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Brittany link=board=1;threadid=9118;start=msg108555#msg1085 55 date=1084413179
Daniel PearlQuote:
Originally Posted by antsprincesss link=board=1;threadid=9118;start=msg108599#msg1085 99 date=1084422663
lol you girls are so cute.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhiannon link=board=1;threadid=9118;start=msg108600#msg1086 00 date=1084422748