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Re:VIP Extras $$
Look, I have no objection whatsoever to anyone making any kind of deal for sex in exchange for money. Hell, I've had many dancers I've been friends with do it, not that I liked the fact they were--and as I've said before, they were also running a strong risk of getting their ass kicked by other girls who didn't want that kind of competition.
Nor have I said that a blue-collar Joe is inherently devoid of class, though perhaps my wording was such that that impression may have been given. Excuse me...
But I do object vehemently to what is happening to this industry, because so many dancers are confusing stripping with prostitution--in the club--be it only HJs or BJs. And one of the biggest reasons I object is the fact that newbie dancers are hit with the kind of shit that they are totally unprepared to deal with, such as guys whipping out their dicks in VIP. And though I have not attended any of DW's classes, I do agree it would be pretty hard to prepare a naive girl for this kind of bullshit in any kind of classroom.
Whipping your dick out in VIP, or badgering dancers who are trying to make a clean living for BJs--in or out of the club--is NOT demonstrative of class, by any definition of the word I am familiar with. The majority of the attempts to negotiate sex for money in strip clubs that I have witnessed or heard about were singularly devoid of any manifestation of class whatsoever, but I am sure it is quite possible, probably even by some few members of this forum.
I suppose what I objected to, Polecat--though I have always had respect for your intelligence, articulation, and attitude, was your complete dismissal of DW's methods.
Now is a great time for dancers to learn ways of making really good money without being forced to grind their vaginas on fat, smelly guys' dicks, or worse yet, sucking them.
Maybe DW's classes can't practically teach this, or are prohibitively expensive, but I like what he is trying to motivate women to do, and there are some clubs remaining where his methods would work quite well. In the areas I am familiar with it is an uphill battle, but I HAVE known women who didn't knuckle under to the prevailing degree of sexual activity in VIP, and still made excellent money.
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Re:VIP Extras $$
There should never be a question about "VIP extras" because in theory they NEVER SHOULD HAPPEN!!! Dancers are strictly women who provide guys with a fantasy... not by actually fulfilling sexual fantasies in real life!!! Because of dancers such as those giving "VIP extras" it makes legit dancers suffer too.... >:(