Can anyone explain how or why he blames us for 1.5 million childrens deaths ? What sanctions is he talking about exactly ?
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Can anyone explain how or why he blames us for 1.5 million childrens deaths ? What sanctions is he talking about exactly ?
IMHO Saddam played a major supporting role in this production, and definitely had the WMD's which could have made 9/11 look like small potatoes if put into the hands of a fanatic for use on American soil. Also, Bush was very limited in what he thought he could successfully set in motion in regard to combatting islamic fanatics. In reality, even if it were possible to surgically exterminate Osama and a small group of Al Queda figureheads, that's merely the tip of a very large iceberg. Bush did what he had to do to control the expansion of islamic extremism in the middle east by putting US troops on the ground there and moving the conflict from our back yard to their front yard !Quote:
I just think it's being handled very poorly by the current administration, which has diverted attention from the real problem and made things way worse than they were by embroiling us in Iraq instead of concentrating on getting those responsible for 9/11
This conflict will not end either until Syria, Iran and other islamic fundamentalist extremist entities come to understand that the USA and the non-islamic principles which it stands for are not going to capitulate in the face of future violence and terrorism in the interest of "peace at all costs", as the Spaniards recently did. If anyone is interested, do a net search on Andalusia - the restoration of which is one of Osama's stated goals!
I respect your opinion far more than you might think from the recent debate, Melonie, and since we are over there in Iraq, I actually hope you are right about the need for us to be there there way we are. Though as you know, I fear that is not the case.
I think I know what he's referring to (I'm sketchy on the details though): The U.S. offers humanitarian support to various nations who rather than be appreciative, twist the gift into a birthright and blame us if the support is lessened or taken away. Because of Iraq's various UN violations, the US brought all sorts of economic sanctions (trade restrictions) upon them that lessened the free food they got. So many starved, and he blames the U.S. for failing to feed the children and people of Iraq. I've encountered the complaint before amonst foreign students in college. They don't understand that economic trade between nations is a priviledge that takes treaties, and is not a right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigerlilly link=board=1;threadid=9344;start=msg111679#msg1116 79 date=1085005064
-lestat1
Melonie, I don't think many individuals or groups believe that.Quote:
was directed to those "misguided" individuals who seem to think that if we were to withdraw troops from the Middle East that somehow the entire Islamic extremist movement will no longer have a reason to keep attacking the US/UK and their interests.
You seem to be confusing a desire to influence moderate Arabs and Muslims with a desire to placate the extremists. There is a big difference.
The majority of Arabs and Muslims are not extremists. Unfortunately they are sympathetic to Osama because of U.S. actions they see as hostile towards Arabs and Muslims.
You are correct in that there is no placating the extremists, but some of us desire to build better relationships with the moderate Arabs, so that they will in turn help us deal with the extremists, or they will deal with the militants themselves.
Personally, I don’t believe we have many other options. Military actions will only have limited success and are best used in surgical operations—large scale military operations don’t work, as we are finding out in Iraq. Of course, we could completely wipe out all the world’s Arabs and Muslims—but that is usually referred to as genocide.
Thanks very much Lestat :-*Quote:
Originally Posted by lestat1 link=board=1;threadid=9344;start=msg111698#msg1116 98 date=1085006394
"The Jews control the media" Yeah I control the media. Not all Jews control the media. We do not get together and say "How many stupid Gentiles can we decieve now?" I'm so sick of how negatively Jews are referred to on this board. Do you ever consider that it may be slightly offensive to lump a group together so eagerly?
The richest man in the world? NOT JEWISH. The man who owns half the news reporting agencies in the world? NOT JEWISH.
Jews are dissed here? Where? Tell me and i'll unleash my inner attack dog. Antisemitism pisses me off, and i'm a friggin' gentile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vicki-Valentine link=board=1;threadid=9344;start=msg112341#msg1123 41 date=1085118090
Some people freak about George Lucas and Stephen Spielberg being Jews, but as far as I know neither of them practice. There are a lot of Jews in America and a lot of them are really successful, this is where I think some of the antisemitism comes from... jealousy.
Not to change course on the thread, just thought i'd add a gentile that hates antisemitism opinion.
I have a lot of respect for the Jewish people.
Yes of course it's offensive. But it was OSAMA who made the anti-semitic comment in his letter. OSAMA also pointed out that the unwavering US/UK support for Israel is a fundamental reason why islamic terrorists have attacked us, and will continue to do so. Because of this it's impossible to realistically discuss what's going on in the middle east and with islamic terrorists without Israel and Jews being part of that discussion.Quote:
I'm so sick of how negatively Jews are referred to on this board. Do you ever consider that it may be slightly offensive to lump a group together so eagerly?
Melonie, some weirdo made the assertion that Jews actually were in controll of the US media. Not JUST Osama. Someone HERE. I'll look and quote (Since i'm drunk and it's easier).
Here Melonie.Quote:
Originally Posted by cardinal link=board=1;threadid=9344;start=msg111515#msg1115 15 date=1084990932
Madcap,
He is right about the jews controlling our economy and media.
Here Melonie.
How is that dissing the Jews?
This reminds me of the old SNL skit where the Canadian connection controls Hollywood.
People fail to realize that the greatest thing we have to were about is the "Vast Asshole Conspiracy". It is a secret conspiracy, but Assholes control everything.