well, im glad lilith and deogl showed up. polecat, its not very masculine(which you seem so keen on trying to be from your posts) to be a spineless pussy who just kissed the ass of everydancer simply because shes got a vagina.
now that i've got everyones attention....
lets not also forget another reason its traditional for men to pay for dates, especially since we're talking about all these natural roles and crap. women were never employed at the rate they currently are today, and they fought for the right to have employment. if you wish to cling to notions of the man always paying, you're also (in my opinion) clinging to the notions that women are simple chattel. so if you want me to pay for everything fine, but you'll just be an object to me that i'm paying for.
maybe my problem is i dont think of myself as "the man", but as a person. i know that i should think of myself as "the man" and just take what i want, since thats the natural order of things that most of those who posted seem so keen on preserving. you people are arguing for gender roles? are you serious? if thats the case i dont want to here any bitching about guys being gropy(its natural for them to want to nail you. its not their fault, its nature. how else will the species continue on if not for the dominant male impregnating as many women as possible?), or guys being violent(its natural for them to be the aggressor and violent, how else are they supposed to provide the flesh of the mighty sabre tooth for dinner?), or guys not caring about you and your feelings (you wish to be his property, not his PARTNER. the emotions of a possession aren't important).
there are seriously guys out there who dont even like the women to offer? im supposed to feel privelliged to be obligated to pay regardless of the scenario? thatd be all well and good, but in that case, give up your right to vote, your right to work, and your right to say no. sounds like a great time. or you could stop being the CHEAP asshole and chip in.
