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The Republican Agenda is to createa Fundamentalist Christian Theocracy
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Ugh.. Great.. LOL
Thanks for sharing that, Tigerlilly
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Holy shit!!
Pun intended.
"Ralph Reed, former head of the Christian Coalition...is now an official of the Bush campaign."
I knew it was bad, but now it appears to be worse yet...
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I can't wait to see John Kerry (Whoever the fuck that is) be sworn in as president. Personally, i'd vote for Lassie before voting for Bush...
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The Republican Agenda is to createa Fundamentalist Christian Theocracy
Maybe it's a regional thing. Because it's not true of the Republicans I know. And I know tons.
But if we want to find demons, we will. For instance, from a very quick and random search:
And with that, I'll try to stay out of these political threads. It's uncomfortable to me that however I make up my mind on a given issue, it's going to be a "sheeplike" response to someone.
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Attny General (and Pentacostal minister) John Ashcroft is MUCH more of a religous right winger than Reed (or about any one else for that matter).
Republicans are actually a more diverse lot than democrats now days. While we may have Ashcroft on the right we have the Governator Arnold on the mid-left. The days of Socialists and Capitalists are over. It's a mixed bag now.
Question to the "Democrats" How can you call John Kerry-Heinz anything but a capitalist? Kennedys too? Come to think of it ..... ALL Successful Democratic candidates have been Wealthy. Hmmmmm ?
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And i suppose Reagan was from the ghetto, eh?
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Originally Posted by Jay Zeno link=board=1;threadid=10481;start=msg128673#msg128 673 date=1088278412
[ It's uncomfortable to me that however I make up my mind on a given issue, it's going to be a "sheeplike" response to someone.
Nothing could be further from the truth as far as I am concerned.
I have emerged from these interminable SW political debates with even greater respect for you, Jay Zeno. If all Republicans were like you, we wouldn't have to worry about strip clubs being harassed, except possibly by those Democrats who also want to impose their morals on others (even if there are a lot less of them than amongst the Bush ranks).
I was intrigued by the article. How very interesting to see this publication coming out of Austin, Texas--generally regarded as an island of reason in a very strange and gigantic sea--Texas politics having a rather bizarre nature. I loved Austin, though I certainly didn't agree with some of the radical left philosophical rhetoric to be found there.
But what is this??!!
"When Republicans offer school voucher plans that would actually result in a redistribution of wealth from well off surburbanites to poor, inner city families..."
How the hell is that going to happen? If the subsequent wealth put into religious schools is used to build more downtown? The parents who avoid taxes spent on public education will donate the money saved to inner city education charities? I just don't see the logic of this statement.
I hear you about the Democratic leaders being very effective capitalists. I detest both parties, but find the integration of strict religious agendas with the Republican organization to be much more frightening than the hypocritical nature the Democrats display as readily as their opponents.
Speaking of rich Democrats and Texans, LBJ has some hair-raising stories concerning his background and ethics. Not a man I can admire--every indication is that he was a detestable scumbag, proving once again that no political party has a monopoly on virtue--or it's complete absence.
I also abhor the Kennedy Dynasty we narrowly escaped having to deal with, though the Bush Dynasty is a good deal more frightening at the moment, particularly to those who strip for a living.
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DJoser- I think he might have been referring to me as I made several "sheep" comments in the Far. 9/11 thread. That's what I call Rep. who refuse to even consider alternative points of view-personally I wouldn't put Jay in that category though. I was mostly referring to the types who will condemn films like Far. 9/11 without even seeing them ... sigh
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Thanks for the kind words. Tigerlily, I did have your postings in mind, true, but the phrase was a catalyst. I wasn't pointing you out specifically, and I'm sorry if you took it that way.
What I mean:
I don't want to watch Moore's film. I'm a pro-Bush sheep.
I can't wait to watch Moore's film. I'm an anti-Bush sheep.
I am a Republican. I am a fundamentalist Christian sheep.
I am a Democrat. I am a socialist sheep.
When opinions are being expressed, particularly when they don't have to be face-to-face, they often become so polarized that they lose any meaningful debate for me. Call Bush a dictator? Call a pro-abortionist a baby-killer? I won't even join in the debate. There's no chance of alternative views or persuasion.
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For whatever it may be worth, I generally register to the party where I think my primary vote will be the most effective. I have never voted a straight party line ballot.
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This is a lot of reading but I skimmed a lot of it.
This is scary shit, and any of you guys who cannot see the handwriting on the wall don't want to.
I intend to make a copy of this and read it in detail over several days of course.
In essence now the Republican party has/is transformed into the religious right party with plans of making the united states a biblical nation.
I don't think some of you guys read very much of this because if you did you could actually visualize where Bush is headed with his policies.
And as far as Republicans you guys know not like this, those most likely are the republicans who are the moderate ones who will soon defect from the party as others have if you read this carefully.
The Republican party which is is the religious right party now has more serious implications than just not being able to strip.
Like the part where sex education, education and welfare will be run by the church and not the government.
Like the part of women being totally submissive to a man.
Setting up congressional districts so that Republicans are clumped together and the blacks and hispanics clumped together so that the Republicans are guaranteed to have control. This is being done in Texas.
Tigerlilly, thanks for posting this. This is very very scary, and you guys who are scoffing it now need to take the time to read it.
And did you see the part about if 10% of the christians embrace this progam and vote for the party, this country could be a Religious nation in 10 years?
And how the Bushes have enough power and clout to make their own paths?
You guys need to read this, and I hope some of the girls will scan through it and let it sink in.
These guys are reforming the republican party to be able to invalidate the civil rights act of 1964, to make any kind of unmarried sex illegal, abolish income taxes and let the church run large portions of the govt.
Read this passage throughly and you will see that some of theses religious changes are already taking place and unless you are a religious freak will not vote for another republican again.
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In my hometown in Houston Texas, a single church grew in such size that they bought a Sports arena for their services. They are now taking over the city starting with Greenway Plaza.
http://www.lakewood.cc/intl_center_information.htm
excerpt:
Lakewood is currently being broadcast nationally on the ABC-Family Channel, Black Entertainment Television, the PAX-TV Network, Trinity Broadcasting and the Daystar Satellite Networks. But on Easter Sunday 2002, the boundaries of our ministry explode. Through a remarkable deal with the Nation's Top Television Networks, the Lakewood Broadcast will be seen every Sunday morning on top secular network stations in the 25 largest markets in America. These 25 new Network Affiliates reach into over half of all American homes.
THAT is scary to me. It's more than strictly political, folks.
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And Juliette, I saw thatre broadcast in Vegas after BET signed off several weeks ago.
And what is scarier, is that it is in Houston, the city that the Bush family has a stronghold in.
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Originally Posted by Tina link=board=1;threadid=10481;start=msg128878#msg128 878 date=1088305954
These guys are reforming the republican party to be able to invalidate the civil rights act of 1964, to make any kind of unmarried sex illegal, abolish income taxes and let the church run large portions of the govt.
Exactly- and if you notice many of the people here who are showing their support for Bush also have written things in the past and present that they oppose gay marriage and/or abortion. Republican politics is not about goverment or bettering the country but rather limiting personal rights and freedoms and forcing others to conform to their beliefs >:(
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Originally Posted by Jay Zeno link=board=1;threadid=10481;start=msg128673#msg128 673 date=1088278412
The Republican Agenda is to createa Fundamentalist Christian Theocracy
And with that, I'll try to stay out of these political threads. It's uncomfortable to me that however I make up my mind on a given issue, it's going to be a "sheeplike" response to someone.
Fuck them. Like no one isn't sheep these days. You just got to go and stick with what you think is right until someone gives you something else to believe.
Otherwise it is "Nice to know there is still freedom to be wrong in America buddy."
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Republican politics is not about goverment or bettering the country but rather limiting personal rights and freedoms and forcing others to conform to their beliefs
well, gun control laws, no smoking laws, and a plethora of other Democratic causes certainly seem to me to be limiting my personal rights and freedoms !
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Originally Posted by Melonie link=board=1;threadid=10481;start=msg128905#msg128 905 date=1088309165
well, gun control laws, no smoking laws, and a plethora of other Democratic causes certainly seem to me to be limiting my personal rights and freedoms !
Yes that's true-- I have never said otherwise but are no smoking laws and gun control laws born of religon - I think not!
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Originally Posted by Melonie link=board=1;threadid=10481;start=msg128905#msg128 905 date=1088309165
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Republican politics is not about goverment or bettering the country but rather limiting personal rights and freedoms and forcing others to conform to their beliefs
well, gun control laws, no smoking laws, and a plethora of other Democratic causes certainly seem to me to be limiting my personal rights and freedoms !
Fuckin eh!
We need a "liberty party" or something like that. Both of em burn up a lotta paper in congress printing out thousand page bills they want to turn into laws.
Yep - a thousand pages for some bills.
Congress needs to be part time. Most of the time they limit what people can do.
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Congress needs to be part time.
We definitely went astray of the founding fathers' original intent that lawmakers would come from 'normal life', fullfill a couple of years of civic duty, and then return to 'normal life' again. Instead we have allowed politics to become a full time career, which not only assures that virtually every lawmaker will be out of touch with 'normal life' but will also have a huge vested interest in doing whatever is necessary to get re-elected and thus avoid unemployment !
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Yes that's true-- I have never said otherwise but are no smoking laws and gun control laws born of religon - I think not!
Well, the "religion" followed by many liberals is called "secular humanism" by the stodgy old religions - but that's a whole 'nuther discussion !
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Well Melonie, you seem to be a level headed well read woman.
Did you read through most of the Republican agenda which in essence shows that under this party/ administration the majority of it's key officials were high ranking members of the religious right?
And how do you feel about "bible thumpers" as you call them making up the majority of political leaders in our government?
I'm sure you see this type of leadership as a direct threat to what most of us consider "normal" peoples livelihoods, don't you?
How do you feel about the church taking over control of government functions?
How about their stance of women, that our role is to go back to caring for the family and to focus on following in the direction of our husband?
How about rewriting of the constitution to force Americans to have to adhere to a religious code?
This is more than a mere smoking ban and gun control issue.
As long as your smoking doesn't effect other people around you you and other smokers are free to light up as often as you want. If others don't smoke it is only fair that you not smoke around them, isn't it?
As far as guns are concerned, do you really want anyone and everyone to carry them?
Carrying pepper spray or mace is enough for people to have on their persons. An out of control person makes one mistake and can kill someone with a gun.
You seem to be too intelligent to actually support a political party/administration which is focused on being run 100% by brainwashed ultra wealthy religious people whose objective is to force all Americans to live by their biblical doctrines aren't you?
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You seem to be too intelligent to actually support a political party/administration which is focused on being run 100% by brainwashed ultra wealthy religious people whose objective is to force all Americans to live by their biblical doctrines aren't you?
Well, yes, obviously. I am aware that a small percentage of administration officials are highly religious, i.e. John Ashcroft. I am aware that the religious right makes up a small percentage of republican national support (although they are well organized and quite vocal).
I am also aware that when it comes to my livelihood or the economy in general, democratic tax and spend policies will be much more damaging than republican anti-dance club ordinances which are not seriously enforced.
As far as theoretical republican proposals that the church take over government functions, my opinion is that the democrats shouldn't have instituted these government functions in the first place as they are contrary to the founding principles of our country. Besides which, I am tired of still paying higher taxes for these government functions after 40 years with no significant results.
As far as women caring for family, I would be happy to see an American economy where it was again possible for women who chose to do so to be able to afford not working and caring for their children. However, the democratic agenda has been, and seems to still be, raise taxes and government spending to the point where both man and woman must work full time. This of course allows the government more access time to indoctrinate their children via public schools and government sponsored day care before the parents pick the children up after they get out of work !
As far as smoking or guns go, I certainly wish that someone should show some authoritative proof of the accuracy of second hand smoke claims and the fact that restricting legal gun ownership results in fewer gun related deaths and injuries. So far all of these laws are based on a single (democratic) Surgeon General's report and a lot of liberal ideology. Besides, even if the second hand smoke justification is legitimate, how did that give democratic lawmakers the right to take away sealed, separately ventilated smoking areas which already existed plus ban smoking in outdoor locations like sports stadiums and public beaches ?
Finally, I am also aware that when it comes to ultra-wealthy, you need to look at the democrats and not the republicans. It's a very telling statistic that 92% of all political donations of $1 million or more went to democratic candidates ! Democratic tax principles have always revolved around taxing those (republicans) who are trying to become rich (so that they are unable to), while avoiding taxes on those (democrats) who are already rich ! Have a look at
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John Ashcroft is satan. I hate that son of a bitch. He was my govorner for entirely too long. Spent his whole time beggaring the state and hassling strip clubs.
I'm not kidding, here, I actually voted for a dead man because i didn't want Ashcroft as a senator. Most of the people in MO voted for the dead guy. I'd have supported digging Carnahan up, stuffing him, and putting him in the senate with a PUPPETEER rather than a live John Ashcroft be in the same place.
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I am authoritative proof that second hand smoke is damaging. I am recuperating from pneumonia where I spent 4 days in the hospital and the doctor noticed one of my lungs not to be as clear as it should be typical to a smokers lung and I do not smoke but work 5-6 days a week in smoke filled environments.
Smoking is nicotine addiction and quite frankly I feel the govt should have programs for helping people kick the habit. At any point any smoker could be diagnosed with lung cancer, emphysema, or heart problems which will ultimately cause a premature death. I am not the only one who is affected by second hand smoke.
I know lots of people who have died over the last few years due to smoking and one who is still alive with a voice box in his throat. Just seeing that is enough to scare many people not to ever light up.
As far as gun laws, how many people really need to carry a gun with them at all times? Granted some of the laws regarding using a gun for self defense could be revised, but lets face it how many of us have someone pull a gun on us on a regular basis?
The republican party has typically been made up of higher income individuals. Their philosophy of protecting wealth at the top income levels obviously is attractive to above average income people especially those with substantial investments as you have Melonie.
If you were not a smoker or wanted to quit smoking or deriving high income from investments you very likely would be more supportive of a political affiliation that was more focused on the average person. Not that smoking has anything to do with party but you don't like restrictive laws even if they are for the betterment of society, do you?
As far as what this thread is about, it is just a warning about how the republican party has become home to and has substantial backing from the Religious Right. And it details what they have and are doing now and their plans for the future.
The main focus here is to get people who are not addicted to religion to see what is in the works so that collectively we can strenghten the other party and get the average voting age under 40 in an attempt to get this country on a more liberal track.
This country needs more HEAVILY funded social programs to focus on inner city neighborhoods and help get blacks and hispanics on equal footing with whites. The republican philosophy is not about helping the underprivileged but to hold them down. There is plenty of money available to help inner city kids be at grade level and to fund extracurricular activities and to focus on rehab and not jail time for drug sales and gang affiliations since most of the jail poplulations are comprised of non whites but whites don't seem to give a shit. The republican attitude is lock em up and throw away the key.
The upper echelon of this country caused ghettos by discrimination and they need to be commited to fix it. Once ordinary people of all races have higher disposable incomes everyone will benefit and the economy will be stronger.
Fuck making the rich richer. They already have plenty of money. Now it's about control.
And the Bush family in conjunction with the churches millions of dollars along with corporate America's huge infusion to this "machine" is putting us in a position where our constitution will be based on biblical beliefs instead of rational ones.
If I tell you that there are land mines across the street, don't go there or you might get blown up, would you? Of course not.
This is the same thing.
The moderate republicans are leaving the party. So when you say a few religious right types are involved, it is more than a few and the postions that they hold are substantial ones.
And when you say the republicans don't enforce the strip club laws that is not true. Some area have more lax enforcement than others. Many clubs have been shut down and their revenues seriously cut due to the puritanical direction this country is heading in. Wouldn't it be nice if all of the strip clubs in the country were like those in Salt Lake City? I think not.
The whole point of this is to let all of you guys who are supposed to be laid back easy going liberated people see what is in the works and assume that you are all level headed enough to see that if you don't take away your support from a party who is going to force you to be controlled by religion, life as you are used to will not be the same.
You keep bashing Michael Moore just like all the old white male conservatives do. He is exposing injustices that exist. Poor people shouldn't be getting fucked as they are. But if you are rich, fuck those poor bastards, right? That is a terrible attitude.
This country sucks because old fuddy duddy white men in pin striped suits run it and control all the wealth. And all of us are supposed to be youthful fun loving people who are laid back.
Why in the fuck would you support old fuddy duddy born again christian tyrants over a person who is exposing those fuckheads indescretions to the public in an attempt to get all of our type of people who don't usually vote to vote against the fuddy duddys in favor of a more liberated society that has the potential to change some of the old fashioned laws on the books that are holding younger liberal thinking people back?
So stop the fucking Michael Moore bashing. We are not here to support him personally. We are not here to support Kerry personally. We are here to get a very dangerous political party as it has come to be with its humongous religious affiliations and dishonest dealings, out of power.
With the democrats in office, we can build from there if the younger people stay commited to voting and being involved a political structure that will be more tolerant of peoples differences and more open minded to historically taboo issues. Eventually that might involve creating a new party. Who knows. Would you guys who support Bush rather have him and his cronies in office than a new more liberal structure in place that COULD happen if we mobilize the young vote????
But Melonie, if all you are worried about is if the democrats will tax your investment income too much, the way you made your money to invest may land you in jail.The powers in place in your party are actively working to put a stop to webistes and activities such as yours as they deem them dangerous to healthy marriages and reproachable.
Ashcroft DOES NOT believe in civil rights, just religious ones.
The ruling guru of the party you endorse supports abstinence, NOT birth control. I sure ain't giving my vote to any party that endorses those views.
With a push for younger laid back voters who are anti republican things can change instead of get worse.
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Originally Posted by Tina link=board=1;threadid=10481;start=msg129267#msg129 267 date=1088382710
This country needs more HEAVILY funded social programs to focus on inner city neighborhoods and help get blacks and hispanics on equal footing with whites. The republican philosophy is not about helping the underprivileged but to hold them down. there is plenty of money available to help inner city kids be at grade level and to fund extracurricular activities and to focus on rehab and not jail time for drug sales and gang affiliations since most of the jail poplulations are comprised of non whites but whites don't seem to give a shit. The republican attitude is lock em up and throw away the key.
U got that right Tina ! I'm as white as Casper even I can see it. I guess the reason people like myself can see this is just maybe b/c we're not racist.... sad isnt it ???
and another thing.... some people go around saying "why bother voting" that's another bunch of stinking bull crap. Those in power are AFRAID of the unprivledged vote or hell even middleclass, basically anyone not rich. B/c if ALL those people voted those in power would not be in power anymore. Boo fucking hoo- this country needs BALANCE. Not an all republican house ect. etc.
There was this post on TUSCL the other day where a dancer was encouraging people to register and vote and u know what some idiot responding with ? Something like "stick to dancing and let the men run things" yeah they'd like that wouldnt they >:( whatever ! We as dancers are seen much like the poor or blacks or latins by those idiots. Fuck that- i'm voting and I'm gonna encourage everyone I know to vote ! Lets get the LYING SCAMMER President and all his croonies out of there and give someone else a chance. Anyone would be better than Bush.... I mean even Donald Duck would be better ;D