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Re:What are the reasons to want Bush re- elected ?
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Originally Posted by samart link=board=1;threadid=10537;start=msg130486#msg130 486 date=1088552188
One MAJOR reason I won't vote for Kerry is how he is flip flopping back and forth on the issues. Give me a major stand on something, I would probably give him a good look. However, every time I see him on TV I see him contradicting himself from something he said two weeks ago.
Please don't let this be a reason to vote against Kerry, all politicans flip flop on issues regardless of what Karl Rove tells you. I posted these once before and it seems appropriate again, here are some of Bush's flip flops:
Bush is against campaign finance reform; then he's for it.
Bush is against a Homeland Security Department; then he's for it.
Bush is against a 9/11 commission; then he's for it.
Bush is against an Iraq WMD investigation; then he's for it.
Bush is against nation building; then he's for it.
Bush is against deficits; then he's for them.
Bush is for free trade; then he's for tariffs on steel; then he's against them again.
Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli Palestinian conflict; then he pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.
Bush is for states right to decide on gay marriage, then he is for changing the constitution.
Bush first says he'll provide money for first responders (fire, police, emergency), then he doesn't.
Bush first says that 'help is on the way' to the military ... then he cuts benefits
Bush-"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. Bush-"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care.
Bush claims to be in favor of the environment and then secretly starts drilling on Padre Island.
Bush talks about helping education and increases mandates while cutting funding.
Bush first says the U.S. won't negotiate with North Korea. Now he will
Bush goes to Bob Jones University. Then say's he shouldn't have.
Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote on whether to sanction military action against Iraq. Later Bush announced he would not call for a vote
Bush said the "mission accomplished" banner was put up by the sailors. Bush later admits it was his advance team.
Bush was for fingerprinting and photographing Mexicans who enter the US. Bush after meeting with Pres. Fox, he's against it.
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Re:What are the reasons to want Bush re- elected ?
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Originally Posted by Richard_Head link=board=1;threadid=10537;start=msg130685#msg130 685 date=1088574106
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Originally Posted by samart link=board=1;threadid=10537;start=msg130486#msg130 486 date=1088552188
One MAJOR reason I won't vote for Kerry is how he is flip flopping back and forth on the issues. Give me a major stand on something, I would probably give him a good look. However, every time I see him on TV I see him contradicting himself from something he said two weeks ago.
Please don't let this be a reason to vote against Kerry, all politicans flip flop on issues regardless of what Karl Rove tells you.
Thanyou Richard! I hope anyone feeling like that will think twice be4 they vote.
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Originally Posted by montythegeek link=board=1;threadid=10537;start=msg130655#msg130 655 date=1088570292
those from West Africa in the Morrocan area
That's North Africa hun.
Seraya.
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Re:What are the reasons to want Bush re- elected ?
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Originally Posted by onlythebest link=board=1;threadid=10537;start=msg129726#msg129 726 date=1088456469
The Republicans have always demanded higher pay for the military,and since my hubby is in the Marines,I can't go against that.The Democrats cut military pay as a result,our health benefits suffer also.
Ok...I only read a few posts on the first page (I don't have a lot of time)....but I just wanted to add that Bush is not only cutting military pay, he's also cutting vet benefits and their family's benefits as well. Republicans demanding higher pay? HA!!! (just watch Moore's F 9/11--he mentions this very arguement)
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Military health benefits are fantastic, I can attest to that as having grown up with a retired officer as a father and it was a shock to me at age 21 how much health insurance can cost. But as SCGirl mentioned Bush is in fact planning on cutting pay and benefits and I don't believe that is on the Kerry agenda.
Unlike Bush, Kerry has actual experience as a soldier in war. I would much prefer to have a man in office who understands first hand what is asked of our military men and women and what life is like for them.I hope that if the misconception of what Bush plans to do in regards to the miltary pay and benifts was the only reason OnlyThe Best was planning on voting for Bush she will reconsider as her husband will be better off and safer under Kerry.
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Tigerlilly.
I suggest you go and find some of the sites that talk to some of the vets who SERVED on the same boat as him, and see what they say. It is pretty disgusting.
Richard. Yes, every politician flip flops on issues. The ones you put down for Bush (nice cut and past by the way) were mostly all before 9/11. A lot of things changed that day with policies, and yes they did change. Does that make him a bad politician? No.
Like I said before, you have your views, I have mine (and yes I do educate myself).....so I will leave it at that :) I like to read Factcheck.org to see what is going on, and will formulate my vote from that (one of the few sites that reports FACTS, not biased opinions!)
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Just wanted to post this as a few have said VA affairs as well as Vet benifits was one of there views in the election.
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=144
Interesting read. Of course there is just as much information there that paints Kerry in a good light also.
My analaysis, were screwed no matter WHO we vote for.
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Re:What are the reasons to want Bush re- elected ?
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Originally Posted by samart link=board=1;threadid=10537;start=msg131056#msg131 056 date=1088643317
Richard. Yes, every politician flip flops on issues. The ones you put down for Bush (nice cut and past by the way) were mostly all before 9/11. A lot of things changed that day with policies, and yes they did change. Does that make him a bad politician? No.
I'm not saying he's a bad politician, he wouldn't be President if he were a bad politician, I'm just saying all politicians flip flop on issues (including Bush) so how can you use that against Kerry but not Bush? Personally I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing either, it tells me they are open minded and flexible on the issues, which to me is a good thing.
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Re:What are the reasons to want Bush re- elected ?
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Originally Posted by montythegeek link=board=1;threadid=10537;start=msg130655#msg130 655 date=1088570292
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Originally Posted by VenusGoddess link=board=1;threadid=10537;start=msg130625#msg130 625 date=1088566660
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As for Nina who posted me being a Racist and Elitist you are way off in fact, I am quite the opposite.
umm, weren't you just saying that Islam is the worship of a demonic god? That's not racist? Then you show us how much of a mental midget you are by telling us evolution is bunk. Finally, you come up with the outrageously stupid comment about "white women actively seeking impregnation by black men" as a way of ending racism. I'm astonished that someone of your low intellect even remembers to breathe, or hasn't succumed to Darwinism yet.
ps-This is Scorpio posting, I'm just too lazy to log Venus out and log back in. ;)
Scorpio,
The first statement you criticize is just stupid--Not Racist. A religion is not a racial atribute. It may be highly correlated with a religion in some cases but not Islam in America. Probably half the practitioners of Islam in the US are not even Arabic. A fair percentage are African-American, or Iranian, and I believe technically those from West Africa in the Morrocan area are racially considered Berbers rather than Arabs. (I am not 100% sure of this though, but persons from Turkish ancestry are not considered Arabs either). I fully concur with your disgust with the sentiment you quoted , however.
The second comment is borderline racist but as literally interpreted is not suggestive of a superiority of one race over another. Today a person from England would be considered of one race if their ancestors had lived there for a thousand years. The Anglo-Saxon designation is after all a contraction of two distinct groups at one time as well as a generous mixture of Pict, Slav, Norman, Scot, Teuton, Gaelic, etc.
yada yada yada...yes, technically you are right, but you are splitting hairs here.
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I suggest you go and find some of the sites that talk to some of the vets who SERVED on the same boat as him, and see what they say. It is pretty disgusting.
um...no. I guess it depends if the site in question is financed by the republican machine. I just finished an article in this months Esquire that deals with what actually happened and how kerry won his silver star. They interviewed his boat mates, and they all said that if it wasn't for Kerry's leadership and his counter attack, in which he drove into an ambush and leapt on shore and personally killed a VC with a RPG, that his PBS boat would have been destroyed. I'm so sick of republicans downplaying Kerry's war record. At least he has one, and didn't have his daddy get him a cush job in the national guard and then not even show up half the time,probably because he was drunk or coked up.
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Richard.
Mark this day on the calender. We agree :D
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Originally Posted by samart link=board=1;threadid=10537;start=msg131142#msg131 142 date=1088653619
Richard.
Mark this day on the calender. We agree :D
LOL, it's marked on the calender. Just keep in mind though that I'm saying Bush is a good politician, not a good president, big difference.
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Re:What are the reasons to want Bush re- elected ?
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Originally Posted by JimLovesJazz link=board=1;threadid=10537;start=msg130628#msg130 628 date=1088567112
SgtJohnny your comments here make me wonder what your opinion is on sterilization of the poor? I think I know the answer but I'd rather you speak for yourself.
You asked for it here it is. I am against Sterilization for anyone. I think the World is underpopulated and I believe before the Flood (Noah's day) their were a lot more people alive then their are now.
Yes, their are hunger and starvation but I do not think it is because of food production shortage. It is a problem of Distribution. BTW, most of the Food Distribution Problem is because of Despots and the place to find them is almost always without exception in nations that are predominatly Moslem Nations and/or Socialist/Communist Nations. or with a lot of influence. i.e Horn of Africa, Cambodia etc. You asked for it there is my opinion.
btw, please stop the insults, if you disagree you do not need to insult me. I dont insult you.
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You have got to be kidding.You really believe the world is underpopulated?With people having 4,5,6 or more children,are you serious?I live in California and we are seriously overpopulated.My neighbors live in a two bedroom apartment and they have FIVE childern.That ridiculous!The more people the world has the more resources we use up.Another thing with the (lack of) job security nowadays,why in the hell would anyone want so many children?That's selfish!I think America should adopt(no pun intended)China's one child law.There are way too many babies per couple nowadays.
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Maybe in California, If they got rid of all the Social Programs like Educating Children of illegals then your population problem might lessen. I lived in Santa Ana, and so I know your thoughts on that.
They come to California because of the Welfare. Your own State a few years ago adopted a Ban of giving welfare to illegals and your State Supreme Court (Or maybe the U.S 9th Dist Court repealed it.
Most of California problems were brought by your former Governor and his allies.
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I was for the recall of Gray Davis.BUT a lot of other races are baby factories as well.My neighbors with the five children are white.I think well, the way you can lose your job in a New York second nowadys,why have so many extra mouths to feed.
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Re:What are the reasons to want Bush re- elected ?
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Originally Posted by sgtjohnny link=board=1;threadid=10537;start=msg131905#msg131 905 date=1088742209
I think the World is underpopulated and I believe before the Flood (Noah's day) their were a lot more people alive then their are now.
Yes, their are hunger and starvation but I do not think it is because of food production shortage. It is a problem of Distribution. BTW, most of the Food Distribution Problem is because of Despots and the place to find them is almost always without exception in nations that are predominatly Moslem Nations and/or Socialist/Communist Nations. or with a lot of influence. i.e Horn of Africa, Cambodia etc. You asked for it there is my opinion.
OH MY ???
I have heard some unusual points of view before but your thought process takes the cake. This combined with wanting the ending of all public schools and wanting to say who can and cannot have children as well your take on the new Moore film ( which as I understand it you have not even seen ) I just don't know what to say :boggled:
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Currently, I'm leaning towards voting for Bush. My reasons are...
1) The national Libertarian Party is a joke at the moment. It has an excellent message but its internal politics and leadership have been nothing short of horrible. It keeps trying to capture the brass ring (a.k.a. the presidency) and not first work to just get one of its members in the US House. It has had some great candidates, but has never given them the support needed to be viable ones.
2) While I'm very upset about the Patriot Act, I think overall that Bush has done a good job on terrorism. He took the fight to them instead of trying to fight it on our soil. He took down two terrorist-supporting nations (Afghanistan and Iraq) and put fear into the hearts of all other terrorist-supporting nations. Libya screamed "Uncle!" for fear of being the next on the US hit list and is desperately trying to prove they're no longer in the international terrorism game. North Korea went from pounding the war drums to begging for foreign aid. Even Iran has quieted down and quickly returned captured Brit sailors for fear of being the next one on the hit list. 70% of Al Qaeda is either killed or in prison.
As for the Patriot Act, while I oppose it, I do understand why it came about. I am hoping that as America feels safe again, that it will be repealed ... or watered down so much that it is meaningless.
3) I do agree with Bush's tax cuts. Taxation is involuntary. Tax money isn't the government's money. Tax money is money taken from citizens under threat of imprisonment and even death. If you don't believe me, I dare you to not pay your taxes. I double dare you to put up resistance when they come to take away your home. Any politician that wants to raise taxes is simply advocating increased robbing the citizenry. After all, no nation in history ever taxed itself into prosperity.
4) Bush is a nice guy. Not a great reason? Perhaps, but it is one of them. He's likable. He doesn't put on airs. He isn't "Daddy's Boy" (little obedient son of Bush Sr.). He also doesn't try to hide who is he. He's presidential when he needs to be and a good old boy when off the clock.
As for why not vote for Kerry?
1) He's pro Big Government and believes tax money is government's money. If elected, he plans to increase government and take back the tax cuts.
2) He has made it a center stone of his claim for the Oval Office that whatever he does internationally will be with the blessing of all the world. Sorry, but I don't want the leader of my country to bow to others when it comes our national security. I can easily live with the French being pissed off at us.
3) He's just comes across as insincere and trying too hard to be "one of us". He talks about the plight of the average man but has never been one. Prep school, Ivy League, and billionairess for a wife. He kind of reminds me of Jimmy Carter who portrayed himself as a peanut farmer when in reality he was a nuclear physicist.
Now is the above a case of "picking the lesser of two evils"? No. I don't see Bush as evil. Then again, I don't see Kerry as evil either. I just see Bush as the better of the two men.
Now does this mean I will definitely vote for Bush? No. If the Libertarian Party can get its act together, I'll once again vote Libertarian ... as I have for over twenty years. However, due to what I've learned so far of what's currently going on in the LP, I'm not holding my breath that such will happen this election year.
Oh, and as for education and health care, I think Bush is better on these scores too. Better than Kerry, but not ideal. Bush is in favor of school vouchers which will help improve education by enabling poor parents to pick which school their child goes to thus putting bad public schools on notice that they cannot take the poor for granted anymore. Competition is good for all industries, including education. As for health care, the idea that government can run anything better and/or cheaper than private industry is only laughable. If you want to see how well government runs a monopoly that private enterprise can also provide, look at the US Post Office and its monopoly on first-class mail.
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Well guys, I have already said why I want Bush back in office as opposed to Kerry(Kerry is the anti-christ;) )
But I have a few opinions to share with the group if you will listen for a few.
First off, in reguards to Sgt.Jonny, dude I thought you were a crazy ass white boy before, but now my opinion has gotten to a full blown OMG are you for real?! I mean that post about $70.00 and pay pal with all the restrictions about the girls and height and weight and state; that's crazy.
But do you really mean what you are posting about Bush? Get rid of public schools completly? Do you have kids? I do and while I love them dearly; I could not stand to put up with them 24/7. I'm one of those Mom's who pray for the school year to start again!(LOL!)
What you said about the Ilamic community is WAY off base. Remember that Israel is the holy land, and it would not be called that if their God was a deamon. while I am not Isreali(i'm a mix of Cherokee, Italian, and Scottish), I am Jewish. Which we all know the founding roots of Judaic culture and religion is in Israel. No one wants to start a war with the choosen ones. (inside joke there, sorry)
Second, off I kinda have to agree with whomever said that we should impose a certain "child per couple" law, similar to the one in China. I agree that giving birth and child rearing is your God given choice, but c'mon people, this world is too overcrowded as is.
And as for the evolution theroy of yours, all I can say is WTF? WTF? WTF? WFT? And one more time; WTF? Dude seroiusly now for a sec; do you see a shrink? I maen if not you should.
What is this about "If parents are not smart enough to home-school their kids, then they shouldn't have them"? Are you insane?
When I was growing up my grandmother(rest her soul) and grandfather raised me. They didn't know anything about "new math" or much about Chemistry, or a few other topics I learned. So you are saying that they shouldn't have raised me? That they were not good parents? That I would have been better off some where else? Or that I would have been better off out of the public school system? 'Cause let me tell you buddy; I was accepted to Duke University at the ripe old age of 11yrs old, because of my public school and what they had taught me. (My parents didn't let me go, but I don't blame them now. I mean a University that size is not a place for a child.)
I do not agree that Cali should be giving welfare benefits to migrants or aliens to this country. I think that we as a nation should be more concerned with taking care of us, not everyone else all the time.
Sorry guys, that was all of my little rant there, soory if I start more flames; but I feel that a few of them are justified.
Kitana
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Re:What are the reasons to want Bush re- elected ?
My number one reason is that I still cling to the hope that someone will pick his ass off aka assasinate him and the nimrod vp can be president then. He can't possibly do a worse job than Bush did.
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Originally Posted by Devastating Divyne link=board=1;threadid=10537;start=msg132155#msg132 155 date=1088790511
My number one reason is that I still cling to the hope that someone will pick his ass off aka assasinate him and the nimrod vp can be president then. He can't possibly do a worse job than Bush did.
I appreciate everyone's opinions, I hope this statement is more for shock value than serious. But I sincerely hope that no matter how much you disagree with someone that you would promote or condone this. The "assasination" craze from 63 through 80 with religious leaders, democrats, and republicans being shot was absolute bullshit.
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Originally Posted by kitana link=board=1;threadid=10537;start=msg132127#msg132 127 date=1088787203
(Kerry is the anti-christ;)
he is the anti- Christ eh?
Ok, I have to hear this. Why ?
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The number of the beast on his head must be a clue...
;)
hehe
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Originally Posted by sgtjohnny link=board=1;threadid=10537;start=msg129943#msg129 943 date=1088483854
I am for Education but Public Education should be illegal.
Regarding your ideas of closing all public schools.
Being that you cannot control who has children, what do you feel should be with children born to parents who are either unable to home school or cannot afford private education.
Nothing at all or do you have something else in mind ?
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Oh please God let the answer be something other than that or work camps :yikes: