They are discussing FL election outcome right now and showing how Bush didn't really win the election.
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They are discussing FL election outcome right now and showing how Bush didn't really win the election.
Ugh... LOL
What I want to know is, WHY are they discussing all of this 4 years later? If there were any major questions that needed answering, that should've been done back in 2000.
I suppose to try and figure out how to avoid something like that happening again.... gonna run as I dont want to miss any of this....
Let us know what they say, Dahling.. I can't watch anything but Winnie The Pooh all day.. LOL
Ugh. Must be a slow news day. Bush should just agree to piss someone off daily and then we won't have to listen to people re-hash what he did to piss them off since birth.
wait a second. theres a c-span 3? when did this happen? are you telling me that the house and senate are so action packed that all the hillarity couldn't be contained by just c-span and c-span 2?
look timmy, we can watch hours of pointless drivel on three channels now! dont turn away, you might miss nothing getting done!!!!
LMFAO!
Sandy is awesome.
thanks lil. i am pretty freakin sweet.
Heh.. You two are too freakin much...
I luv yas more than I love my luggage..
*muah*
Sorry, I missed it. I've been watching the World Tiddlywinks Championships on ESPN 6 all day. My loss, I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by sander8son link=board=1;threadid=10653;start=msg131530#msg131 530 date=1088711897
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they're about done ,I did get into it after it started but
here's what I saw them cover...
Palm Beach County's butterfly ballot set up to skew results: Gore lost 6,607 votes when voters marked more than one name on the county's "butterfly ballot." voters mistakes taken advantage of rather than going back and finding out what their actually votes were. Voters who marked Gore's name and that of another candidate totaled more than 10 times the winning margin Bush received to claim Florida's 25 electoral votes which gave him the Presidency. Almost half of the Gore-Buchanan over-votes were from precincts where most of the voters were 65 or older and Democrats.
Florida campaign manager Republican Secretary of State Kathleen Harris and Governor Jeb Bush illegally removed 57,700 voters from the rolls. It is estimated that 90% of them were Democratic. The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights approved a report that suggests blacks disproportionately had their ballots discounted in Florida's elections, leading to widespread violations of the Voting Rights Act. The panel accepted investigators' findings by a 6-2 vote, with both members appointed by Republicans voting no. In Duval County about one in five ballots cast by blacks were not counted.
voting machien failures.... Machines often cannot tell a clear legal vote from an unclear wasted vote. Sometimes the punch cards stick together and the machines cannot read either of them. When disputed ballots could change the apparent outcome, Florida law requires a hand counts. That happened in Florida, and by law there should have been a full, fair hand count. There never was. The US Supreme Court "changed" Florida law by overturning the FL SC ruling.
Yep. Pretty much what we heard four years ago.
I'd like to know how many of these counties with vote problems and a predominantly Democrat constituency also had Democrat representation which approved the voting system.
Let's try some information that isn't beaten to death my the media for a refreshing change. Three independent media outlets, operating under the Freedom of Information Act, performed manual recounts months after the election was over. All three verified that Bush won Florida. How odd that more people didn't hear about this.
Anyway, the real story is not Bush- though I am sure it would KILL people to not debate this into eternity- but the electoral college and firmer voting standards.
Let us not forget the thousands of military ballots "thown out" by county boards of elections. then there was all the people that all 3 alphabet networks discouraged from voting because they said the polls were closed an hour early in 15% of the state in the CST zone, and Al won the state anyway. not to mention the voters who were told in NM that their vote did not count since Al had a comfortable lead and Al was going to win all the costal states except Alaska.
And do not forget the 40% of the voting age population who never bothered because Al was so damn boring he could not even keep Tipper awake. that is why she got pregnant so many times--she fell asleep and forgot to use birth control. I apologize, she got pregnant because she was trying to play her diaphram backwards.
Ummm...don't mean to butt into this one...but, Lilith...hasn't Bush already been doing this? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lilith link=board=1;threadid=10653;start=msg131523#msg131 523 date=1088711426
Not well enough, else we wouldn't have to listen to the equivalent of, "Oh yeah? Well... well.. you remember the time you..."
Now if someone could just choke on a pretzel.
Dubya already did that, but the Secret sservice wrestled the pretzel to the ground.
I fear that this election will also be another farce but I'm going to vote anyway. I'd like to be wrong on this but considering the fact that Walden O'Dell, chief executive of Diebold Inc said he is "committed to helping deliver electoral votes to the president" and that Bush was sucessful at changing the FL recount laws to suit him well I have to wonder :-\
Greg Palast goes into major details about the FL scam in his book The Best Democracy Money Can Buy. Here is a link to his in depth article on the subject. http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=342&row=0
Does this mean that we can kick EG2 out of office now and put Al Gore in the office that he actually won? Why can't we impeach the evil bastard now?
Well, i have to say that it just doesn't matter now. We should look towards the future rather than look back to the 2000 election, regardless of what we think about it one way or another. It's not like we can change anything now, if you think Bush stole the last election, and want him out, there's a very easy way to do it.
Give Kerry the electoral colleges. If you live in a battleground state, make sure and vote.
Only way to do it now.
and they want to add e-voting into the mix just to screw it up a little more.... bleh...
I live in Florida, it was a royal pain in the ass, all the old people who did not understand how to use the screwed up "voting system." Young ones too.
Thank GOD i don't vote. One great example of just pointing a finger and saying your it! Ass holes. >:(
Pamela
The biggest problem I can see with the e-voting, is that you don't have a little old lady checking your drivers license against the voter roster. Just makes it easier to "raise the dead" to vote. :D
Bush will do anything to win...we need to make sure we prevent him from doing that. But, in case the (&#@T&^ (&(*%#&^&( #^^%)(*($ does win, I am prepared to move to another country and work the fields.
Venus will be sneaking across the border to mexico... :oQuote:
Originally Posted by VenusGoddess link=board=1;threadid=10653;start=msg133041#msg133 041 date=1088955945
I don't like e-voting either. If someone can't be bothered to get up off their ass to go to the local voting booth, they don't deserve the right to vote.
Not to mention that it would only be a matter of time before some corrupt campaign got the bright idea to employ a team of Hackers... :idea:
No one has yet mentioned the single best argument against e-voting---it would be unconstitutional. It would specifically violate the equal protection clause it that treats persons with computer access in their homes differently from those who do not have it. That is as discriminatory as saying white folks can vote from 7-7 and blacks can only vote from 5-7 using the argument that there are 6 times as many whites. It would be flat out wrong to make it easier for one group of the population based on income, or preferences, to vote. An evoting system could be used to have fewer polls and that would increase the discrimination. You say they can go to the library. Talk about the confusion of the butterfly ballot, try getting an 85 year old with glacoma and palsy to use a mouse for the first time in their life.
The idea of evoting and security would be more fraught with fraud than our current porous system. Every single voter, without exception, should have to prove they are who they say they are, even the spouse of the clerk. How would the user be authenticated? How could one tell there was no coercion? There is no paper trail to follow, The system would be a prime target for hackers, crackers and viruses.