Re:The Passion of Farenheit
are we still talking about this non-sense?
Re:The Passion of Farenheit
Interesting piece, Jay Zeno--and quite thought-provoking as well. We may not always agree, but I never fail to appreciate and respect your views.
I haven't seen either movie yet, and though I might not wait to see F 9/11 til it comes out on video, I will wait to see Passion.
I get what the writer is saying, and agree to some extent, but there are some fundamental differences between the two movies, which can be perceived without sitting through either one.
Passion uses actors and fictional dialogue, and a writer to postulate or invent the circumstances surrounding the execution of Christ.
Moore uses real footage and dialogue as spoken by real people, though (before everyone jumps on my shit, lol) it has obviously been very cleverly edited to suit his purposes.
Though calling 9/11 a "documentary" may be stretching the limits of the term, no actors were hired to play Bush, and no dialogue of his is invented (though unheard dialogue is no doubt speculated upon freely).
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...Bush's success at decimating al-Qaeda's leadership or the vileness of the police state of Saddam Hussein. These facts might add to your understanding. But they would detract from your ability to hate the President.
I would debate the veracity of the former statement, but certainly not the latter--nonetheless, I can quite easily detest (a more accurate term than "hate" for my feelings) Bush without having seen 9/11.
Al-Qaeda's leadership, when defined as the prime motivating force behind the organization, and the ability to recruit new disciples for it's evil purposes, has not been decimated from where I'm sitting. Sure we got a few big-shots, but the threat of the organization is still very real. And terrorists are being drawn to Iraq like flies to...
Bin Laden is still out there plotting (and not without effect, as the recent warning or alert of terrorist strikes on the USA would indicate), and we now seem to have two groups who are inciting rival populations to enraged fury with brutal, heinous video-taped executions.
What I would like to do is research more thoroughly the allegations that the invasion of Iraq has been motivated by profit, an assertion I need no hysteria-inducing propaganda to find convincing. But I don't want Moore's lack of objectivity in assessing the extent or ramifications of that motivation.
The one thing that this author has apparently failed entirely to consider is that there has been a third production involving direct appeal to emotions, mass-hysteria, distortion or invention of events, etc..
It has been much more effective--and I believe harmful--than either movie.
The PR blitz, "poisonous to debate, to reason and to civility", that Bush used to win support for the War on Iraq.
Re:The Passion of Farenheit
I saw the Passion, it wasn't bad.
Just a movie. I kind of found it amusing how when it came out all these people were insisting that it would change the world, draw millions to Christianity and stuff. That was funny. It's like the Bashers have this crazy position on one side of the seesaw and the gushers have the other side and it all evens out.