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Customer View – Make More Money
I've been to clubs in Denver, Dallas and Seattle, and I rarely get asked if I want a dance. I occasionally take clients to clubs and have to play sheep dog and heard dancers to our table to talk to the guys and offer dances. When I buy dances, I rarely get asked for a second/third consecutive dance.
I never mind a dancer coming to my table, talking for 30 seconds and asking for a dance. Guys expect to leave the club with lighter wallet. Yes, the pressure sell and drink hustle are annoying. I'm talking about a few seconds of light conversation – not the Spanish Inquisition sales method. If you get a no, tell the guy to have a great time and move on. I guarantee that you'll make more if you ask for more.
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Originally Posted by quandary link=board=9;threadid=11773;start=msg150253#msg150 253 date=1091765833
I've been to clubs in Denver, Dallas and Seattle, and I rarely get asked if I want a dance. I occasionally take clients to clubs and have to play sheep dog and heard dancers to our table to talk to the guys and offer dances. When I buy dances, I rarely get asked for a second/third consecutive dance.
I never mind a dancer coming to my table, talking for 30 seconds and asking for a dance. Guys expect to leave the club with lighter wallet. Yes, the pressure sell and drink hustle are annoying. I'm talking about a few seconds of light conversation – not the Spanish Inquisition sales method. If you get a no, tell the guy to have a great time and move on. I guarantee that you'll make more if you ask for more.
i do this. but i still need more money. :wink:
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okay... where do we find customers like u?
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Originally Posted by pooja link=board=9;threadid=11773;start=msg150434#msg150 434 date=1091791943
okay... where do we find customers like u?
Yeah,for real?!
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I have yet to go into a club where I haven't seen a customer willing to spend money and no dancers going up to him. There are some clubs where the dancers really get it. They approach guys like this and make money, but I also see the flipside way more often.
In our class, I talk about the time just a few months ago I made this point. It was a medium sized club on a Thursday night. There were about 20 guys in the club and about 25 dancers. Many of the dancers were in the locker room, some on the floor with customers and a lot of them either sitting at the bar or in a corner chatting among themselves. The dancer on stage was working her first night in this club and nobody was sitting around the stage as all of the guys were sitting at tables with dancers, in the VIP room, at the bar, or alone at a table as I was.
I was there because the club was paying us to do a private class for them and I wanted to stop in beforehand to get a vibe of the club. I was sitting at a table wearing a nice dress shirt, my cool aligator shoes, movado watch, drinking a nice cognac that the club happened to carry. I wanted to see what would happen...kind of an experiment. I sat there for 20 minutes and not one dancer approached me. Not one. There were plenty around not doing anything either...many of whom were probably chatting about why they weren't making any money in this club.
So, after 20 minutes, I happened to look up and see this dancer on stage. She didn't have $1 on stage for her and in spite of that fact, she was actually giving it her all. I walked up on stage, and put a $20 there for her. I even folded it so that it was obviously a $20. I just turned around and walked back to my table to see the reaction. The dancer on stage winked and said thank you from stage to where I was sitting and the reaction of the girls sitting at the bar was quite interesting. They obviously saw what I did because one of the dancers pointed to the bill on stage. One glanced over at me and winked...that was it.
Ten minutes later, the dancer who was on stage stopped by to thank me and sat down. She did her job perfectly. The point is, I was sitting there with this huge neon sign over my head that said, "I WANT COMPANY FROM A DANCER!" and not one came over to me. After talking with the management about this, they told me it was a common problem they were having with the girls not approaching customers and them always complaining that there's no money in the club.
Now, I doubt that most, if anyone on SW here has this issue. Most poeple on here are smarter than the average bear and are more educated on how to work in this industry. I can tell you though, there are many dancers out there who truly don't get what it takes to be successful in this industry. The same is true for any sales industry for that fact, not just this one.
It's the old 80/20 rule in sales...the Pareto Principle. 80% of the money is generated by 20% of the efforts. In a club, it's 80% of the money spent on dancers is done so on 20% of the dancers working. It's just nice that the bulk of the SW members are part of that 20%. :) Unfortunately though Quandary, it's the 80% of dancers in the clubs that you are at that you are referring to.
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Maybe I'm not the average customer. If I want a dance from you, I will walk right up to you and ask. And that's usually because I see something I like on the stage. And since I don't really bother with spreading the wealth around on a visit, it can take me a little while to find that dancer.
Still, I don't seem to have a shortage of ladies approaching me for dances in a club, which I naturally owe to my devastating charm and irresistible good looks. :D I mean, what else would it be? LOL
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I guess I was "lucky" in one sense. When I first started dancing I was flat broke. I literally took what little money I made my first shift and spent it all on groceries for my son and me. Needless to say, I had quite an incentive to learn to hustle, a skill that still serves me well. Yet I can remember girls at the same club that would spend hours playing pool with their boyfriends and then complain that they weren't making any money. I'm constantly amazed by the number of guys I approach that tell me they've been sitting there for 30 minutes to an hour or more and not one dancer has approached them.
Most guys I've met don't go to a strip club because they have 47 plasma TVs with ESPN, and they certainly don't go for the $5 beers, they go for the girls. Yet, the clubs make virtually no effort to make sure their primary attraction is as good as it can be. I have no idea why clubs don't give new dancers at least a brief course in salesmanship, I'm sure both the club and the dancers would benefit. That club was so smart to hire DancerWealth to give their girls some training. But I'm sure DW would tell you that they are the minority. My only conclusion is that from a customer service perspective, strip strip clubs are some of the worst run businesses in the country.
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Originally Posted by quandary link=board=9;threadid=11773;start=msg150253#msg150 253 date=1091765833
I've been to clubs in Denver, Dallas and Seattle, and I rarely get asked if I want a dance. I occasionally take clients to clubs and have to play sheep dog and heard dancers to our table to talk to the guys and offer dances. When I buy dances, I rarely get asked for a second/third consecutive dance.
I never mind a dancer coming to my table, talking for 30 seconds and asking for a dance. Guys expect to leave the club with lighter wallet. Yes, the pressure sell and drink hustle are annoying. I'm talking about a few seconds of light conversation – not the Spanish Inquisition sales method. If you get a no, tell the guy to have a great time and move on. I guarantee that you'll make more if you ask for more.
Upsell! Upsell! Upsell! Or perhaps in this case just "sell". :thumbsup:
I agree that dancer laziness is a big part of this, but one thing that I will add is that a number of locales have anti-solicitation ordinances in place, therefore it is illegal for the dancers to specifically ask for drinks, and/or dances.
If you're new to a club (you mentioned three different cities so I'm assuming that you travel around), the girls there probably aren't as familiar with you and may assume that you are an undercover vice cop. I know it sounds a bit paranoid, but in some clubs thats the reality of things. Generally once the dancers see you begin spending money (particularly when most of the patrons in the club aren't spending) their apprehensiveness to approach you for dances tends to go away.
Of course for that to happen, some motivated hottie has to give us reason to spend our money in the first place. That's probably why that type of dancer takes home most of the money.
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Originally Posted by Destiny link=board=9;threadid=11773;start=msg151414#msg151 414 date=1091894466
My only conclusion is that from a customer service perspective, strip strip clubs are some of the worst run businesses in the country.
You'll hear no argument from me on that one! In addition, from a business management perspective, they are some of the worst run businesses in the country also.
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DW, I thought of one problem with your scenario [from sitting at the club]. At my club, if another dancer got a dance or a VIP room visit from you, or just sat down with you before the dancer from the stage got back, she'd be risking a punch to the face or finding her stuff ruined when she got back. I had a girl break the straps on a pair of my shoes because I "stole" her customer - over a $5 dance! <- amusing, that customer had gone up to me and was like "that girl is so annoying! can I use this dance ticket on you?" but ya know, wasn't believed. funfun.
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Originally Posted by Luna Maiden link=board=9;threadid=11773;start=msg152544#msg152 544 date=1092035493
DW, I thought of one problem with your scenario [from sitting at the club]. At my club, if another dancer got a dance or a VIP room visit from you, or just sat down with you before the dancer from the stage got back, she'd be risking a punch to the face or finding her stuff ruined when she got back. I had a girl break the straps on a pair of my shoes because I "stole" her customer - over a $5 dance! <- amusing, that customer had gone up to me and was like "that girl is so annoying! can I use this dance ticket on you?" but ya know, wasn't believed. funfun.
Oh, I completely understand that. I was just making an overall point that no matter what I (or any other customer in the club for that matter) would have done, these few dancers had no desire whatsoever to go out and make money.
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This whole thread is a perfect example of good advice falling on the wrong ears.
Obviously, the majority of StripperWeb dancers give enough to their careers to be interested in researching and gaining support by hitting this site. This, for the most part, divides them from that batch of other dancers that sit at the bar amongst themselves, picking their nails and leaving customers sitting alone while shooting flare guns, starting a table fire, or waving big banners in neon that read "PLEASE TAKE MY MONEY! SOMEONE!" that does occur at a number of clubs.
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You can tell someone how to make more money, but you can't tell someone how to have good self confidence. Those with good self confidence auotmatically make more money in this business because they can handle the rejections night after night.
I would equate this to selling Amway. If any of you guys out there have ever tried MLM you know just how hard it is to go out there everyday and try to sell your product. You get shot down and critisized and everyone in you family thinks your stupid for doing it etc. But if you can take the rejection day after day, and start making some real money eventually, you get more bold and confident, and it just kind of snowballs.
But like in MLM the vast majority of dancers try for a little bit, get rejected to the point of it hurting, and give up. Sure they still go to work because there are enough guys out there that won't wait around for the girls to come over, and ask the dancers directly for dances, therefore helping them earn a living.
You also have to think that as girls, we are taught to "play hard to get" and "don't call him, make him call you" and "Girls should never be the first to ask for a date". So now we are not only fighting self confidence issues, you are also talking about going against social norms. These are some big issues, and this is something that can't be taught to every girl that is working in the strip clubs today.
Even dancers that do make good money and do have a good work ethic, will have days that they just don't "feel" it. Some days it just seems like pulling yourself up by the boot straps is just impossible. But to aviod a high call off fee we still go to work and dissapoint the customers because it is cheaper than staying home and getting our head together.
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I would have to agree with everything said... my very first night at a club (I couldnt dance for my life!) I did my set on the stage and made pretty good eye contact with most of the guys. The minute my set finished, I walked directly to they guy who had seemed most interested and started talking. Needless to say, I did pretty well for myself my first night! There was one night in fact that I was talking with a lady who happened to be gay, and we were just having a great conversation. She handed me a $20, and said, "You're a sweetheart, you don't even have to give me a lapdance, and this will save you from paying out to the club!"
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Certain cities are worse for dancers not working the floor than others.
In Arizona, and many Southwestern cities where dance prices are cheaper and its a wanna dance atmosphere most of the girls will work the floor and approach everyone.
In Vegas girls are more like vultures and hustle harder than in many cities even though they may not use great selling skills. The guys are at least being approached.
In cities like Houston, Denver and many smaller towns girls let the guys come to them.
How do these girls expect to make any money. money won't come to you. You have to approach every guy and talk him into buying from you. Some will be easier than others and some won't buy at all.
You are a salesperson more than you are a dancer in this business.
And in clubs/cities with a slow or no hustle atmosphere over half the guys in a club will not get approached.
My fiancee' goes to check out clubs for me all the time and besides Vegas and Southwestern clubs says he rarely gets approached by dancers.
And it's bad to work in a club where the guys aren't used to being approached for dances because when a girl who is a floor worker comes in the guys don't feel any sense of obligation to buy dances.
A big problem with this business is the way clubs are run. Many lack momentum.
In clubs that regularly do $1 dances, where the DJ constantly pushes stage tips, where a tip walk is done, where dances are constantly pushed by the girls and DJ, and where guys see girls all around him dancing for other guys, they feel more compelled to buy dances. Monkey see, monkey do.
Dancer Wealth should seriously consider working with clubowners showing them how to set up, market and run their clubs better, and small towns would be a good place to start, where the owners would be receptive to change.
If the owners set the clubs up properly then the girls will have an easier time selling.
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I don't know Tina. In Houston, there are so many girls, most of them approach customers if they want to make money. Customers only approach me if they see me first! ;)
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Originally Posted by DancerWealth link=board=9;threadid=11773;start=msg150760#msg150 760 date=1091815402
I have yet to go into a club where I haven't seen a customer willing to spend money and no dancers going up to him.
Welcome to Mt Isa. Due to being in the habit of going for the lone punter.. I was the first dancer out of 6 that night to approach him. Unfortuantely, I was due on stage in 2 minutes and stage took priority... so I had to leave him be.. otherwise I had him sold purely because I was the first to be friendly and approach him! ;D
As for small towns being receptive to change more than the big cities... after my Mt Isa trip I'd like to differ. The manager at this club wouldn't listen to any of our valid feedback about the place ... it was like talking to a brick wall.
Not only is the club run poorly but it doesn't really show off the dancers well. The stage should be the main focal point.. right? In my opinion, people were more drawn to the pool tables than the stage. I'd love to run a club in competition to him... I bet I would kill him in a week. LOL!
Sorry.. just had my first really bad run and maintained strip club experience. This is definately the worst to date.. my Bad Girls Surfers Paradise 3 week stint comes second.
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Originally Posted by ParisLove link=board=9;threadid=11773;start=msg154530#msg154 530 date=1092260433
You can tell someone how to make more money, but you can't tell someone how to have good self confidence. Those with good self confidence auotmatically make more money in this business because they can handle the rejections night after night.
I would equate this to selling Amway. If any of you guys out there have ever tried MLM you know just how hard it is to go out there everyday and try to sell your product. You get shot down and critisized and everyone in you family thinks your stupid for doing it etc. But if you can take the rejection day after day, and start making some real money eventually, you get more bold and confident, and it just kind of snowballs.
But like in MLM the vast majority of dancers try for a little bit, get rejected to the point of it hurting, and give up. Sure they still go to work because there are enough guys out there that won't wait around for the girls to come over, and ask the dancers directly for dances, therefore helping them earn a living.
You also have to think that as girls, we are taught to "play hard to get" and "don't call him, make him call you" and "Girls should never be the first to ask for a date". So now we are not only fighting self confidence issues, you are also talking about going against social norms. These are some big issues, and this is something that can't be taught to every girl that is working in the strip clubs today.
Even dancers that do make good money and do have a good work ethic, will have days that they just don't "feel" it. Some days it just seems like pulling yourself up by the boot straps is just impossible. But to aviod a high call off fee we still go to work and dissapoint the customers because it is cheaper than staying home and getting our head together.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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It is true that sometimes we get rejected so much that it becomes hard to make a sale. The other night I did not sell a single dance until 11:30. I got into the club at 5:30. When I told the guy that I did the first dance for that it took 6 hours to sell my first dance he was really surprised. You would be amazed at some of the bums that go into the clubs.
I think that management should always charge an entrance fee that includes a dance ticket to discourage 'stage watchers' and all the other b.s. excuses that the bums like to make. That would really make a big difference.
A gentlemen’s club should be a place for gentlemen; not just any old bum who walks in off the street.
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How exactly do dance tickets work?
This is the first time I've heard of them and from my understanding it seems like a good idea....
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Originally Posted by livenudegirlsunite link=board=9;threadid=11773;start=msg155661#msg155 661 date=1092388748
I think that management should always charge an entrance fee that includes a dance ticket to discourage 'stage watchers' and all the other b.s. excuses that the bums like to make. That would really make a big difference.
I think that's a great idea too. The problem with most strip clubs is that management thinks they are selling booze when what they should be selling is entertainment.
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My club does dance tickets on Monday and Tuesday [at least I think this is the same idea] - basically they pay the cover charge and get ticket, we just use stamped raffle tickets. The girls cash them in at the end of the night.
The problem is that the tickets are cashed in for 1/2 the cost of a normal dance, so you very often end up doing a $5 full private dance - though most girls do things like "oh, I don't get naked for the ticket dances" or something similar.
They can be good and can be bad. It is amazing how peope will hold onto them though!
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Originally Posted by Destiny link=board=9;threadid=11773;start=msg156232#msg156 232 date=1092496029
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Originally Posted by livenudegirlsunite link=board=9;threadid=11773;start=msg155661#msg155 661 date=1092388748
I think that management should always charge an entrance fee that includes a dance ticket to discourage 'stage watchers' and all the other b.s. excuses that the bums like to make. That would really make a big difference.
I think that's a great idea too. The problem with most strip clubs is that management thinks they are selling booze when what they should be selling is entertainment.
well, the thing is, they're not making money off of your dances-- not really. tips outs are not enough to keep a club running, and besides, most of those go home in peoples' pockets, not to the bills the club has to pay. they ARE selling booze to stay in business-- that's how all clubs, nightclubs, stripclubs, whatever (and restaurants, too, for that matter) manage to stay in business.
i'm not saying that clubs shouldn't promote their dancers-- they should! i'm just saying that they have to make money just like we do.
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Originally Posted by tRoUbLeMaKeR link=board=9;threadid=11773;start=msg155844#msg155 844 date=1092420812
How exactly do dance tickets work?
This is the first time I've heard of them and from my understanding it seems like a good idea....
My long time ex-club when Gold Coast had 5 am close used to only allow those who would pay the door fee and a 20 min lap dance (door fee $10 + $55 20 min lap dance (prices at the time) = $65) inside in the last hour (4-5am). Otherwise, on your way !
Unfortunately, due to the 3am close.. this isn't viable anymore. Otherwise, they do offer the Asian tourists (as Surfers Paradise receives alot of Asian tourists traditionally incl. japanese) a special deal where they get a topless 10 min no touch dance... if they want the bottoms off and/or touching and/or longer time.. they must pay and the dancer gets that part of the dance. Or else they tip (there are the few that don't)... otherwise the Asian dances that the club does are a waste of time for the dancer if the customer doesn't tip and/or extend the dance.
Dance tickets are a very good idea.. say.. it entitles them to a topless no touch 10 min dance if it's a full nude club hence giving the customer more incentive to tip the dancer more so he can receive the full nude touching version (this is what would work here on Gold Coast).
Granted, the only time this would work is for those clubs who are percentage based. As the ones that charge a stage/door fee to the dancers get just the fee and nothing more... so why should they care? Understandable.