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More and More Dancers aren't Approaching Customers
I notice this when I visit clubs and when my fiancee' checks out clubs for me he says that dancers aren't appraching all the customers as much now as 3-4 years ago.
In visiting 9 clubs he says one girl approached him. And it wasn't like they were aggressively trying to sell anyone. They sell one guy a dance or 2 and sit down at the table staring into space and then walk by other guys sitting alone making no effort to talk to them. Why?
And even if being black scares them, my guy is neatly groomed and dressed, does not dress in jive clothing, and wears a Tag Heuer watch which should be a sign of not being cheap. He is in his late 30's so age shouldn't be an issue. He says 5 years ago in clubs many girls would always come to the table and rarely miss any tables trying to sell. And lots of girls now don't even try to persuade guys to buy a dance when they say no.
In AZ upon visiting the Tempe Christie's girls were pacing the floor like they were busy and approaching no one. One girl was trying to sell. And AZ is "wanna dance" country. You couldn't go in a club there and not find girls scattered around the floor dancing for different guys each song. The night we were there out of 30 customers maybe 2 dances were being done and not on each song.
Do you guys think this business is more focused on girls finding one or two large carefully profiled big spenders over working the crowd?
I work with some girls in the small clubs that just go on stage and wait for guys to buy a dance ticket or approach them. They just don't get it.
Guys want to be approached. They don't go in clubs to hunt down girls for dances. They expect to be approached and to maybe say no until the girl(s) they had their eyes on come to the table.
What difference does it make the color of a guys skin, his age, or his looks if a dancer is trying to sell dances?
I just wonder if any of you guys are working the floor less aggressively nowadays or passing up guys that you could be talking tofor some reason.
The one place girls are still hungry is in Vegas and guys actually get tired of being approached there as they feel stampeded on rather than being talked to humanly.
Why do you think girls are ignoring customers now and not pushing as hard in lots of clubs?
This makes guys feel no obligation to buy dances if other guys aren't buying them because no one is trying to sell them.
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I approach everyone! I walk down the bar and talk to every person there, except for the ones who smell, are Mexican and I dont know them, or are sitting with a girl already!
If they are by themselves, Im going to harass them!lol!
Good if no one else is doing it! Then I get all the dances!
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Originally Posted by LeanneCiccone link=board=9;threadid=13146;start=msg171499#msg171 499 date=1094609074
I approach everyone! I walk down the bar and talk to every person there, except for the ones who smell, are Mexican and I dont know them, or are sitting with a girl already!
I'm Hispanic, and you just came off as majorly ignorant. Nice to know that you put Mexicans in the same category as smelly people. :gnasher:
BTW, a lot of "Mexicans" come from countries like El Salvador, Guatemala and Peru, but ignorant, racist white people just all lump them in as "Mexican" because they don't know any better.
I know that most Hispanic men that come into clubs tend to be lower income, but I can tell you that numerous times on slow nights they might not take you into Champagne all night, but if you're nice to them and treat them like human beings they'll typically buy a dance.
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That comment was a bit much. I approach every one for a dance. Mexican, Chinese, Black, etc.. I have danced for the Mexican guys in my area. A couple of them work for landscapers in the area and will mostly come with their bosses who buy dances for them.. Money has no color.
I don't know where you girls are working or who you are working with but I work with mostly Russian girls and they are HUSTLERS and extremely aggressive.. They will ask every guy in the bar for a dance and if they say no they will pout ask why and whine until the guy says yes..
All this keeps me on my toes and on top of my game.
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Originally Posted by Ebony link=board=9;threadid=13146;start=msg171562#msg171 562 date=1094620113
I don't know where you girls are working or who you are working with but I work with mostly Russian girls and they are HUSTLERS and extremely aggressive.. They will ask every guy in the bar for a dance and if they say no they will pout ask why and whine until the guy says yes..
All this keeps me on my toes and on top of my game.
Ebony is right about the Russian or East European girls, from my experience as a customer, I see the Eastern European girls hustling the hardest recently. They're usually not my type, but give them credit for trying and I always tell them no thanks, but good luck and have fun.
Tina is right too about dancers not hustling, one of my favs always works the floor hard regardless. She's kind of a tom-boy type but banks though because she's got a great personality and is really friendly to everyone. Those girls complaining in the dressing room are the ones sitting on their asses and chatting or smoking all night long and not making any money and then whine. Even if you are rejected by walking the whole floor, you're letting the guys see you and some guy might find you to be his type and flag you down. By sitting there in the dark chatting away, no customer is going to see or notice you, unless he happens to pass you on the way to the men's room.
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Originally Posted by NinaDaisy link=board=9;threadid=13146;start=msg171557#msg171 557 date=1094618755
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Originally Posted by LeanneCiccone link=board=9;threadid=13146;start=msg171499#msg171 499 date=1094609074
I approach everyone! I walk down the bar and talk to every person there, except for the ones who smell, are Mexican and I dont know them, or are sitting with a girl already!
BTW, a lot of "Mexicans" come from countries like El Salvador, Guatemala and Peru, but ignorant, racist white people just all lump them in as "Mexican" because they don't know any better.
I know that most Hispanic men that come into clubs tend to be lower income, but I can tell you that numerous times on slow nights they might not take you into Champagne all night, but if you're nice to them and
treat them like human beings they'll typically buy a dance.
To me, race means nothing. Never underestimate a person's ability to spend money. My father has been a blackjack dealer for 30 years here in Vegas and he'll be the first to tell you that one of the best weeks of the entire year is during Mexican New Years. Many of the tip tippers come in to Vegas directly from Mexico City hands down.
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Originally Posted by CalifSCVisitor65 link=board=9;threadid=13146;start=msg171574#msg171 574 date=1094623799
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Originally Posted by Ebony link=board=9;threadid=13146;start=msg171562#msg171 562 date=1094620113
I don't know where you girls are working or who you are working with but I work with mostly Russian girls and they are HUSTLERS and extremely aggressive.. They will ask every guy in the bar for a dance and if they say no they will pout ask why and whine until the guy says yes..
All this keeps me on my toes and on top of my game.
Ebony
;) make that dolla ladies!
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Originally Posted by LeanneCiccone link=board=9;threadid=13146;start=msg171499#msg171 499 date=1094609074
I approach everyone! I walk down the bar and talk to every person there, except for the ones who smell, are Mexican and I dont know them, or are sitting with a girl already!
Leanne likes to talk to everyone. In the RI and MA clubs I go to, dancers use the term "Mexican" to mean anyone who speaks Spanish or Portuguese and almost no English. Maybe one percent are actually from Mexico.
The issue is verbal communication, not race or ethnicity. I like to talk to everyone. I like two Brazilian dancers who speak English well enough to connect. Over time I have come to know another Brazilian with very limited English, but she has affectionate body language and always wants a hug. In general, however, the language barrier works against my verbal style.
Leanne used a term from the SC vocabulary. That use would be considered politically incorrect outside the subculture, but I understand her reasoning.
In my area girls have a term "fuckin Guidos" for cocky guys with gold jewelry. Most of them probably aren't even Italian. I've gotten the "yo niggah" greeting from black guys I know in clubs, even though I'm white. The subculture is a world of its own.
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I notice two things about dancers lately; either they don't hustle at all, or their approach is limited to "Wanna dance?" Even when it's busy, I at least give my name and ask how someone's doing before I ask for a dance. But yeah, I think a lot of girls just really don't understand how to do their damn job, and they aren't really interested in learning.
By the way, I love Latin American customers. And I'll approach anyone.
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To the girls who avoid "Mexican" customers: Just keep right on avoiding them while I take their money. Those guys come in with cash and I only have to put forth just a little effort and they will buy dances.
Regarding that "SC term", in my experience it's NOT an SC term, but a term used by ANYONE who is white, ignorant and too lazy to make an effort. In or out of the SC.
I have to agree with Tina though, too many girls just sit around and bullshit rather than try to sell. I go in every night and hustle my ass off, even if it's slow, even if I've been turned down 6 times in a row. Keep going and you'll eventually get a yes. Get pissed off or complacent and you'll continue NOT making money.
Figure out something to say besides "wannadance" or "ready for a dance" or "how bout a dance". I constantly go right behind girls who use that approach with nothing but a flirty smile, a positive attitude and a different line and GET THE DANCE, immediately after another girl got turned down. It only takes a minute to introduce yourself, ask how they're doing, tell them you're doing great and ask if they wanna go in the back and play. But that minute makes all the difference!
ASK ASK ASK.
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hee, I'm remembering when I got yelled at for "going up to customers after other girls have spent time warming them up."
Anyway, the problem I encountered at my old club was that I'd only work with "wannadancers" and non-hustlers, the "wannadancers" would do fairly well with guys that didn't know the score, and as most of the girls would need large tips, guys bought maybe 1 or 2 dances the entire night.
I did okay with the guys that DID know the score, and liked a girl that sat down with them, but still, okay.
New club everyone hustles, everyone sits down and talks with the customers. Doing okay again.
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I approach all races. There are times when I will avoid a group of mexican/blacks/russian/german/any race, but that is only if I have allready tried with them and have at least given them the chance. I will not assume anything just by judging their race. My biggest spenders ever on me was a black man and a mexican man in a wheel chair! ;D
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I approach everybody except the smelly ones, unless it's slow. sometimes the smelly guys will drop the most money and it's still worth the time lost to run back to the dressing room to shower afterward. If a guy has bad breath i'll actually offer them gum or a mint. i guess i sort of understand the comment about mexican guys, since i avoid old asian men who don't speak good english and try to grab your tit as soon as they meet you. this is my only stereotype, i hate dancing for non-american older asians, they seem to have no respect. i am half mexican, though, and don't understand why everyone else avoids them; makes more money for me.
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Originally Posted by NinaDaisy link=board=9;threadid=13146;start=msg171557#msg171 557 date=1094618755
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Originally Posted by LeanneCiccone link=board=9;threadid=13146;start=msg171499#msg171 499 date=1094609074
I approach everyone! I walk down the bar and talk to every person there, except for the ones who smell, are Mexican and I dont know them, or are sitting with a girl already!
I'm Hispanic, and you just came off as majorly ignorant. Nice to know that you put Mexicans in the same category as smelly people. :gnasher:
BTW, a lot of "Mexicans" come from countries like El Salvador, Guatemala and Peru, but ignorant, racist white people just all lump them in as "Mexican" because they don't know any better.
I know that most Hispanic men that come into clubs tend to be lower income, but I can tell you that numerous times on slow nights they might not take you into Champagne all night, but if you're nice to them and
treat them like human beings they'll typically buy a dance.
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well said! :highfive:
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Originally Posted by Gerina link=board=9;threadid=13146;start=msg171979#msg171 979 date=1094688697
i guess i sort of understand the comment about mexican guys, since i avoid old asian men who don't speak good english and try to grab your tit as soon as they meet you. this is my only stereotype, i hate dancing for non-american older asians, they seem to have no respect.
My stereotype (and therefore the punter I will usually avoid) are non-western Indians... the ones from India.. Pakistan.. and so forth. The ones who do not know to use deodarant and/or gum. The ones that proposition you five seconds into a dance. All in all.. I danced for way too many of them and learnt that within a strip club environment.. they are not the type of punters I want as customers.
Now.. I said.. non-western Indians. Western-ised Indians have heard of gum/mint and deodarant... at the very least.
Other than that.. I will approach everyone, at least, once.
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Originally Posted by Luna Maiden link=board=9;threadid=13146;start=msg171694#msg171 694 date=1094660001
hee, I'm remembering when I got yelled at for "going up to customers after other girls have spent time warming them up."
That's a great one Luna. :laugh: :laughing: :laugh:
To me, "warming them up" translates to "customers they couldn't close the sale with the first time around."
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I have to agree with those who choose not to dance for hispanics. The reason I don't like to dance for these guys is not about money. (I'm sure they have a similar amount of money as everyone else in the club) It's not really racial either, but rather cultural. Many of these countries have very different views about women and treat them like second class. And strippers are viewed as being even lower. These guys come from a place where acceptable behavior in a SC is very different than in the US. And I have been groped and grabbed and poked and prodded way more often by these guys than any other. And it is for this reason that I choose not to dance for them.
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In respsonse to the original post in this thread.....I have also seen this happening in clubs in my area. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to me for these girls to be sitting at the bar or in the dressing room wasting time talking to each other instead of circulating with the crowd and trying to get dances and make money. I'm not saying that girls shouldn't be friendly to each other, but the point of going to work should be to make money and I just don't see how that's possible unless the dancers are approaching customers and putting themselves out there.
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Originally Posted by Kittie link=board=9;threadid=13146;start=msg172166#msg172 166 date=1094702536
I have to agree with those who choose not to dance for hispanics. The reason I don't like to dance for these guys is not about money. (I'm sure they have a similar amount of money as everyone else in the club) It's not really racial either, but rather cultural. Many of these countries have very different views about women and treat them like second class. And strippers are viewed as being even lower. These guys come from a place where acceptable behavior in a SC is very different than in the US. And I have been groped and grabbed and poked and prodded way more often by these guys than any other. And it is for this reason that I choose not to dance for them.
This may be your experience, but I've met plenty of white guys that have given me the "I'd never let my woman do this" and other assorted macho bullshit. I also don't like to dance for guys if they tell me they're from Houston because most of them expect a BJ with their lapdance. Still I approach and hustle.
Like Bridgette said, you leave the Latin guys alone, more money for us. ;D
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avoid old asian men who don't speak good english and try to grab your tit as soon as they meet you. this is my only stereotype, i hate dancing for non-american older asians, they seem to have no respect. i am half mexican, though, and don't understand why everyone else avoids them;
Strip clubs are a breeding ground for racism. I've totally noticed this, and it sucks.
But it's also understandable and we all do it to a degree. The cultural argument is valid- some cultures DO look down upon women who dance to a greater degree than others, and this is annoying.
However, in order not to become a racist bastard I think it's important to pinpoint your prejudices and make an effort to prove yourself wrong. because your experiences are right- your prejudices are wrong.
As for the original question- guilty. We're a lazy bunch up here :D. However, now that I need to save up I've been studying sales again and working my butt off (nothing like a GOAL to motivate, eh?). I don't think that the 'other girls aren't hustling, so more money for me' argument works everywhere... the girls who aren't hustling are effectively devaluing your dances.
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I'd say that it really depends on the club. At some clubs the dancers are exceedingly aggressive in their sales pitches, like Ebony previously said, to the point of pouting and hovering till you cave in and buy a dance. Sales techniques in some of these clubs are also sorely lacking. The wanna dance and no further persuasion generally isn't gonna do it for me. I don't ask for much, even a minute of a dancer's time, asking my name, brief small talk or SS would suffice. Its always a joy when I finally run across a dancer who does her job well.
Then, at other clubs, I've sat in the club for over an hour during prime night hours without one single girl approaching me. I guess it must be my faulty deodorant, or maybe its my pasty white complexion :-). No, definitely its the suit. Seriously though, its nuts that I could sit in a club for over an hour, wanting to spend some decent coin, and have no one take it.
Just my 2 cents
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Well If were talking about avoiding groping, handy men, then I should be all cacasian men over 30's who have positions of authority outside of the club, that they apparently cant leave at the door and have this "I can do what I want mentality".
Most my spanish speaking customers usually have been to far more clubs where a hand here and there is no big, deal so coming into a club where it is an immediate toss, is kinda of shock for them. All have to do is say is (pointing to large stone cold looking bouncer) dont touch me or you will have to go see him. Okay? Work for me. Not every type of customer is for everyone. However, my spanish speaking patrons dont mind getting dances, the tend to gripe less about the price.
Now back to the issue at hand, I have been guilty of this at points. However, Ive started acting like every customer is related to Donald Trump. ( I can dream cant I).
I mean the hell the worse they can say to me is no, anything after that is in one ear and out the other. Plus, even if you only sell one table dance tonight. When he brings his friends back in, or he's back in town he will remember how much fun he had with me, and who knows he could be my new regular. ;D
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Call me greedy, but I LOVE the fact that the girls at my club are too lazy, insecure or shy to hustle. While they're propping up the bar, nursing their drinks and complaining about not getting any dances, I'm in the back room dancing all night (or I try to be).
When they've asked me for advice, I've even tried to encourage them to approach customers. I got the reply, "Oh no, I couldn't do that, they'd say no and I can't take rejection." ???
I work in a very small club, and I try to make a point of introducing myself to every customer that comes in, starting with the ones that tip me on stage. It either results in a dance, a tip, or even just a good feeling and if I can help create a nice atmosphere at the club, maybe it'll bring in more customers!
Plus, if it's a quiet night, and nobody is buying dances, I'll still sit with the customers - it's almost guaranteed to be more interesting than sitting with the dancers at the bar.
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Originally Posted by Sherrill link=board=9;threadid=13146;start=msg172444#msg172 444 date=1094747799
Call me greedy, but I LOVE the fact that the girls at my club are too lazy, insecure or shy to hustle. While they're propping up the bar, nursing their drinks and complaining about not getting any dances, I'm in the back room dancing all night (or I try to be).
When they've asked me for advice, I've even tried to encourage them to approach customers. I got the reply, "Oh no, I couldn't do that, they'd say no and I can't take rejection." ???
You've got the right attitude Sherrill. The funny part is, if you maximize your selling ability, you'll have less rejection and more money. I actually overheard two dancers sitting at the bar in their club one night talking to each other. From what I gathered, neither of them had gotten off their barstools for about a 1/2 hour and one said to the other..."See that girl over there? That one...the one who's out there working all the time. I'll be she'll make another $1000 tonight. I just don't get it? How is it that she can be working out there making all that money and here we are, lucky if we go home with $100 tonight. I just don't understand." Sigh. :banghead:
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I have to disagree with the poster who said that the girls who don't hustle devalue our/my/everyone's dances. In my experience in all kinds of clubs, they only devalue their dances. While they're hanging around looking unpopular, bored and pissed off and/or begging some poor dude for one dance, I'm running my ass off, looking oh-so-popular and having to create a 'line' for guys to wait for me to get to them! Happens all the time. Guys always want the 'popular' girl - they automatically think she must give great dances and simply MUST try her out. Then when I get them back there, I DO give them a great dance, and they almost always MUST have more :biggrin: