increasing my private dance fees...
A club that I am working at this month has undervalued lap dance prices. It is a grind club that doesn't cut the songs short, and the dances are $20 with $5 going back to the club.
I was thinking of raising my price to $25 per song. I would like to sell more VIP and I think by raising the floor dance prices this would make VIP seem more attractive. The house rate for VIP is $150 for half an hour, but I charge $200, with $50 going back to the club. I have charged as much as $300 for half an hour in VIP with a difficult to deal with customer.
Just was wondering if anyone else has raised her dance prices above the house rate, and what her results were?
Thanks, Paris
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I think you should charge the extra $5.I worked at a club that charged $15 for dances with a $5 kickback,so I charged $25 also.I still got just as many dances and made a lot more money.Quite frankly,dances that are less than $20 in your pocket is BS to me.
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I think would only be a problem if the customer wasn't clear on the price. There is a girl at my club that tries to charge $25 per dance and I see a lot of guys get annoyed with her at the end. She calls it the "door fee".
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I agree with Emily. When I worked in Alaska this summer, my contract stated that we could charge whatever we wanted for dances (though the going rate is $20 there, dancers keep all) as long as we told the guy the price beforehand. In the 3 weeks I was there I only had one guy balk at the price.
Frankly, you're hot enough and likely enough of a good hustler that you can pull it off, so go for it!
As for places that charge less than $20 a song, there are a few nice places where less than $20 is charged and the dancers still make good, consistent money. Bridgette used to work at Hi-Liter in Phoenix, where dances were $10, but most nights there she was dancing nonstop with minimal contact and pulling in pretty nice, consistent money. Instead of just focusing on what the dance price is, I prefer to focus on what the club's take of dances is. My current club dances are $25 fixed price and the club takes $3. I generally prefer to work where they don't take any of it, but I very often get tipped for dances, so it comes out nicely for me.
As long as you're honest about what you're charging, do it. The job is there to make the most you can.
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I have a question. Do you girls that dont have to give the club a cut for your dances have to pay a big house fee?Im just wondering how fair our club prices are. Our dances are $25 and we have to pay $5 during the day and $10 at night. Then on mon and tue nights we do 2for $25 and still have to pay the $10 so we are only getting $15 for 2 songs. That sucks but we only pay $16 per night to work there. That is for everything. Then on sun we keep all our dance money. I think the cheap fees to work there and my sunday money make up for our dance tip outs but I just feel like Im getting ripped off getting $15 for 2 songs. What do u guys think?
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Thanks Ladies, I'll let you know what happens tonight!
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Well, it didn't go so well. But on the plus side, it was difficult to sell dances at any price. I had a regular who thought it was a really bad idea even though he usually pays me $25 a dance anyway. He said that they guys just couldn't afford to spend that kind of money on dances in this area, so I would be undercut by the other dancers.
I asked him what the big deal was with $5, and just said that it wouldn't fly. I did have a few guys turn me down because of the $25 price tag "What!! that girl over there only charges $20!" And I would respond with "but I'm worth it" Or "I'll make it a great dance", But I also noticed they turned everyone else down, so maybe even $20 was too much for a dance.
Who knows? I am going to keep at it, however. I currently don't participate in the clubs 2-4-1 specials, and I think with a little polishing I can get this hustle down.
Oh, and there were only 3 VIP shows sold for the whole shift, so it really was a cheap crowd last night.
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Dude Suggestions:
1 - make sure you tell them "MY fee is $X...and I'm worth it." (makes it clear that you charge more)
2 - make sure it is actually worth it...if you're making more, dance better.
3 - Guessing here, but the average blue collar worker will start to rethink dances when it hits 30 bucks. 20 - 25 is a no-brainer. 30, we think hmmmm. 40, and we say "fuck it" unless we're really interested.
It may not make sense, but I am more apt to get two $25 dances than one $40 dance...not because of the ten dollar difference, but 40 bucks is a chunk to spend when you really don't know what you'll be getting. I have forked out the forty and sat there and thought "I hope they cut this song short."
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Originally Posted by ParisLove link=board=9;threadid=13405;start=msg175808#msg175 808 date=1095278771
Who knows? I am going to keep at it, however. I currently don't participate in the clubs 2-4-1 specials, and I think with a little polishing I can get this hustle down.
I would suggest trying this for at least a couple of weeks to see what the market can bear. A slow weeknight probably wasn't the best barometer of that. You'll more than likely have more success on Friday and Saturday nights. If you can still sell at least 3/4 of the dances at $25 that you can sell at $20 (3x20 or 4x15 = you net $60 either way) then yes its worth it.
The problem of course is it can be very hard to really tell is you've "gained one" when you make a sale at $25 (as you've mentioned some guys who will pay that amount were probably paying you $25 anyway), or whether you've "lost one" when you get turned down (most who will throw a fit about the extra five dollars probably had no intention of buying a dance at any price).
You would probably have more success if other dancers (particularly the better ones) at your club went along with you and began charging $25 themselves. This cuts down the number of quality "undercutters". That however may be a tougher sell than getting an extra five bucks for a dance.
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Originally Posted by ParisLove link=board=9;threadid=13405;start=msg175808#msg175 808 date=1095278771
I asked him what the big deal was with $5, and just said that it wouldn't fly. I did have a few guys turn me down because of the $25 price tag "What!! that girl over there only charges $20!"
The problem here kind of is if a guy has $100 to spend on dances, he can now only buy four at $25 instead of five at $20. If I went to a club where I knew the standard price was $20, saw two equally attractive gals there, one charging $20 and the other charging $25, I would be more likely to do business with the $20 gal. Since the quality assurance from services received at a SC isn't exactly stellar, and since there's no money back guarantee (hence the saying "never buy a blind lap"), its not that unreasonable to call the higher price into question as it doesn't always guarantee a better dance.
Now If I knew from personal experience that the $25 gal did exceptional dances that warranted the extra $5, that might change things. Of course I might be paying that gal $25 anyways.
:)
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wow I must go one step futher and start the bartering... starting at 50 then going down or up depending... but that's just a SW secret.
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yea.. You have to be one of the best looking girls at the club to even consider this..
You have to have the best personality, the ability to take shit men will throw at you for increasing prices etc.
you have to offer more then others do(not extras)
Maybe find a new club that you have a better takehome at before increasing your prices?
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I can understand guys having issues with the extra $5 in an area like one where Paris works.
For my part, the only reason I charged the extra five and felt I got it was because the crowd in Alaska over the summer is typically more affluent, such as guys from the lower 48 paying thousands to be taken on hunting and fishing expeditions.
If many of your customers work at jobs where they make $12 an hour after taxes and if they have a family especially, then yes, the $5 makes a difference. Yes, SC's are a luxury, but guys like to see naked chicks and they're gonna keep coming if they have as much money or not, maybe just not as often or spend as much.
It's just something that you'll have to gauge for yourself over time and see if the guys willing to pay extra makes up for the guys that aren't.
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I say go for it girly....lots of guy think that a more expensive dance means the girl is more in demand and give better dances too. ;)
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The only time I would do something like this is if I can back the price increase up with a title or three... especially current ones. Just my 5 AUD cents ;D
If you're just another house dancer... guys won't see the draw so much. Make them see (and especially WANT) the extra benefits that extra $5 entails... if there is anything extra special you do for the extra money.
Really depends on your clubs situation tho'.
Please do update us on how it is going for you ;D
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Originally Posted by NinaDaisy link=board=9;threadid=13405;start=msg176975#msg176 975 date=1095488777
I can understand guys having issues with the extra $5 in an area like one where Paris works.
For my part, the only reason I charged the extra five and felt I got it was because the crowd in Alaska over the summer is typically more affluent, such as guys from the lower 48 paying thousands to be taken on hunting and fishing expeditions.
If many of your customers work at jobs where they make $12 an hour after taxes and if they have a family especially, then yes, the $5 makes a difference. Yes, SC's are a luxury, but guys like to see naked chicks and they're gonna keep coming if they have as much money or not, maybe just not as often or spend as much.
It's just something that you'll have to gauge for yourself over time and see if the guys willing to pay extra makes up for the guys that aren't.
I don't think its really about the 5 dollors in any case, if it is a paying customer. But i do think it may be hard to justify the price to even an affuent crowd. Some may consider the girl to be arrogant or greedy (yes, even 5 dollors) That to me sends a negative message to any level of income or class.
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I was just about to post something about this. I started reading Jenna Jameson's NYT best seller, and in it she states that she succeeded by acting like she was worth more. Specifically she says $50 a dance and then $100 a dance.
I've never been to Las Vegas, but it sounded kind of fishy to me. I can see a regular giving that, but I can't see regularly getting that.
Of course the woman is hot.
My personal experience is that if you act to arrogant guys shut down completely
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Well, considering her current method of earning money, perhaps Ms. Jameson was offering more than just a dance for those $50s and $100s. :biggrin:
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Originally Posted by Bridgette link=board=9;threadid=13405;start=msg181729#msg181 729 date=1096174366
Well, considering her current method of earning money, perhaps Ms. Jameson was offering more than just a dance for those $50s and $100s. :biggrin:
Ah.... this is the standard price for dances here on Gold Coast in my club as well as two other clubs. We don't go by song here.. we go on time... and it is paid up-front. $50 will get you either 3 songs or up to 15 minutes.... and $100 will get you 5 songs or up to 20-30 minutes (all depending on the dancer and the club itself).
Everyone at my club generally sells the $50 3 songs or 15 minutes (full nude, two way touching) dance. I don't see the problem here. The worst someone can say is NO.
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Jenna Jameson used to dance in Vegas back in the early 90's, when there were fewer clubs, fewer dancers to compete with, and expense accounts were very generous. As has been discussed on these boards many times, things have changed in this business.
I do feel that the extra $5 I charged in Alaska did not make me come off as greedy. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I only had one guy scoff at the price and refuse a dance from me because of it. In fact, I had quite a few cases of multiple dances, most customers I danced for got at least 2.
Anyhow, this is really something that has a lot factors involved. Club demographics, club rules (are you even allowed to charge more? Some clubs will fire dancers for that), your hotness and hustling skills.