Re:Working a Crowded Club
When it's so crowded that you can barely move, I still won't ask for the dance right away. However, I won't spend a whole song talking. I'll talk with the customer for 30 seconds or a minute, and then I'll ask for the dance. It doesn't take that much longer, and you're much more likely to get the dance than if you just say "Would you like a dance?" I wouldn't spend more than a minute talking when it's super crowded because you may get 5 or 6 no's before you get a yes and it takes up too much time.
When the club is dead and there are more dancers than customers, then I'll spend 2 or 3 songs talking to the customer before asking for the dance. But when the club is super busy, I can't afford to spend that much time talking to each customer.
One of the advantages to working when it is very busy is that customers will often approach you for dances because they know if they don't, they'll have a hard time finding you later. ;)
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We've all chatted on here about the prospect of improving business by taking a little time with the customers...because a large number of us desire some level of personal communication. As one of those individuals I can tell you that I do not go to clubs when they are packed wall to wall for this very reason. I suspect this is generally true... i.e. the people in the club on the weekend when it's packed are not the ones who enjoy conversation. In this instance, you might as well use the "wanna dance" approach...although I'm sure there are some lines that can be just as direct but a little more intriguing. One that I enjoyed a couple of weeks ago was when a dance came up from behind me, rubbed my head, and whispered seductively, "Don't say "no" to me." schwing!
Re:Working a Crowded Club
I can TOTALLY empathise. I always freak out when a club is packed... so packed that it is hard to move around. This also goes along with the music being loud (due to the music wanting to go over the 'drone' of talking noise in the club).
First things first.. don't see the crowd. This is what freaks me out.. if I see the crowd.. I do feel overwhelmed and then (subsequently) don't know who to go to.. or where to turn and so forth.
See them as individuals. Study each one and pick your targets. Approach, say, 5 people... rest.. approach 5 more.. rest...
I usually introduce myself, find out where they are from (if they're from a state where I know doesn't allow touching dances.. I will then up-sell the touching aspect and so forth), why they are here (for drinking, for fun, curiosity (my club is very new), for the girls, and so forth) and if they are with anyone.
Then propose that they go for a dance.
If they say no.. no harm done.. tell them to "have a great night" and move on.
Do not ever use the "wanna dance" approach. Stay clear of this approach. Talk with them for a minute or two (one song).. ask for the dance.. if no.. move on.
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Study each one and pick your targets.
Wait...you see us as TARGETS??? <GASP!>
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When the club is that crowded, I wouldn't waste ANY time talking unless it was with a regular. I keep moving especially because there tends to be more younger people on the weekends and they seem to like to waste my time. I usually walk around and introduce myself, flirt, and then get right to the point or I'm outta there.
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Originally Posted by blondhottie link=board=9;threadid=13600;start=msg177853#msg177 853 date=1095662224
One of the advantages to working when it is very busy is that customers will often approach you for dances because they know if they don't, they'll have a hard time finding you later. ;)
Good point Blonde about guys approaching because it's so busy.
I personally don't like the night club type clubs such as Rhino's in Vegas. Too crowded on weekends just like a regular nightclub atmosphere.
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Originally Posted by MojoJojo link=board=9;threadid=13600;start=msg177918#msg177 918 date=1095680037
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Study each one and pick your targets.
Wait...you see us as TARGETS??? <GASP!>
Honey, I think you might be a little naive when it comes to how we make money! ;)
Of course the men who come to our clubs are targets; especially when it's so busy you can hardly focus on one face. Maybe it is a bit brash, but I don't go to work to make friends with my customers, I go to make money to pay for college/rent/bills, and I could care less if a customer's name was Tom, Dick, or Harry.
It seems like a lot of men just don't understand this. (Which might be a good thing...)
I am definately not interested in becoming friends with or dating my customers...They are merely the sheep and I am the wolf...
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Originally Posted by sassinstyle link=board=9;threadid=13600;start=msg178443#msg178 443 date=1095745918
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Originally Posted by MojoJojo link=board=9;threadid=13600;start=msg177918#msg177 918 date=1095680037
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Study each one and pick your targets.
Wait...you see us as TARGETS??? <GASP!>
Honey, I think you might be a little naive when it comes to how we make money! ;)
Being that this was your first post on this board, you may want to be a bit more reserved before jumping on someone. Mojo is a regular on here and often has a very poignant sense of humor. He was just making a small joke, that's all.
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I'm definitely not a "wanna dance" girl, but when the club is packed like that I definitely strike while the iron is hot. I spend about 10 seconds talking to the guy and typically get the dance in that short time.
Circumstances are different on nights like that, and you need to adjust accordingly. A packed, loud club is not a good place to have a fun, intimate conversation. Sometimes it's a great selling point for champagne rooms, though! If your club has them...
When I danced in New Orleans, you bet your ass we had some nights where it was a madhouse! I always used the "let's go somewhere more quiet and intimate" for a while approach to sell rooms and it worked well for me.
Instead of "wanna dance" there are other less trite, but brief, lines you can use to get the dance.
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Yeah,Monkey Boy(Mojo) likes to crack jokes at just about everything.If you pay attention,you might even laugh at some of his jokes.We are very tightly knit,so comments like that from a newbie in the forum are not well received.This forum is designed for us dancers and gentlemen alike to kick up our heels to relax and talk about whatever.
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Originally Posted by MojoJojo link=board=9;threadid=13600;start=msg177918#msg177 918 date=1095680037
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Study each one and pick your targets.
Wait...you see us as TARGETS??? <GASP!>
hehehe.. yes Mojo... and I'm coming to get you !! ;)
Not that you will mind... :P :-*
Re:Working a Crowded Club
Stop talking for two songs and ask for a lap dance on busy nights. There are too many customers to be fucking around like that. You have to move fast sweet heart because if you don't get it someone else willl. You have to be fast on busy nights.
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Originally Posted by sassinstyle link=board=9;threadid=13600;start=msg178443#msg178 443 date=1095745918
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Originally Posted by MojoJojo link=board=9;threadid=13600;start=msg177918#msg177 918 date=1095680037
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Study each one and pick your targets.
Wait...you see us as TARGETS??? <GASP!>
Honey, I think you might be a little naive when it comes to how we make money! ;)
Of course the men who come to our clubs are targets; especially when it's so busy you can hardly focus on one face. Maybe it is a bit brash, but I don't go to work to make friends with my customers, I go to make money to pay for college/rent/bills, and I could care less if a customer's name was Tom, Dick, or Harry.
It seems like a lot of men just don't understand this. (Which might be a good thing...)
I am definately not interested in becoming friends with or dating my customers...They are merely the sheep and I am the wolf...
I understand you there to make money but doesn't sound like the best attitude to have you would be surprised how many men pick up on these acts of course you are not there to get dates but in my opinion you would have better luck if you thought of them as friends as well as customers.
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Friends and customers don't even fit together in the right sentence. It's one or the other chickie.
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Hi Audrey somehow I knew you would be the first to reply to my post let me put this way this is a quote from another thread its the main point I was trying to make!
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Originally Posted by tampafldancer link=board=9;threadid=13471;start=msg176951#msg176 951 date=1095483077
I think the key to selling, is to enjoy yourself, smile and eye contact. You need to make them feel at ease and happy to be with you!
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Originally Posted by Element link=board=9;threadid=13600;start=msg178768#msg178 768 date=1095793210
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Originally Posted by sassinstyle link=board=9;threadid=13600;start=msg178443#msg178 443 date=1095745918
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Originally Posted by MojoJojo link=board=9;threadid=13600;start=msg177918#msg177 918 date=1095680037
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Study each one and pick your targets.
Wait...you see us as TARGETS??? <GASP!>
Honey, I think you might be a little naive when it comes to how we make money! ;)
Of course the men who come to our clubs are targets; especially when it's so busy you can hardly focus on one face. Maybe it is a bit brash, but I don't go to work to make friends with my customers, I go to make money to pay for college/rent/bills, and I could care less if a customer's name was Tom, Dick, or Harry.
It seems like a lot of men just don't understand this. (Which might be a good thing...)
I am definately not interested in becoming friends with or dating my customers...They are merely the sheep and I am the wolf...
I understand you there to make money but doesn't sound like the best attitude to have you would be surprised how many men pick up on these acts of course you are not there to get dates but in my opinion you would have better luck if you thought of them as friends as well as customers.
This thread is basically about hustling on a busy night, and the bottom line is that unless guys are shelling out major cash, most girls will go for volume in this situation to try to get as many dances as possible.
Establish more rapport during your dances, and if the club offers Champagne rooms, be the guy's friend in there while you're still earning a living and not missing out on the busy night.
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Thank you for your advice everyone :)
I had tried the "let's go somewhere quieter" approach later in the night and had some success with it. My club doesn't have champagne rooms, just the $20/song private dance room, that is considerably quieter. I've never actually came out with the "wanna dance" line before, and I'm glad to hear that there are some other options.
I'll try out the talking up to 1minute approach this Saturday and see how it goes. :D
This weekend I will know what to expect, and hopefully won't feel as overwhelmed by the crowd. Also, for part of the night on Saturday, Male dancers are in half of the club & I think that makes the guys a little shy about buying dances.
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I understand you there to make money but doesn't sound like the best attitude to have you would be surprised how many men pick up on these acts of course you are not there to get dates but in my opinion you would have better luck if you thought of them as friends as well as customers.
Whilst I don't see every customer as a friend... I do see them as human beings. When I mentioned "targets".. I wasn't totally lying.. it is just a sales term in a way. I generally don't treat the customers as targets even tho' they are... I treat them as human beings.
The only ones I will treat as friends (strictly inside the club) are loooong time regulars. They have shown themselves to be trusth-worthy and been around long enough. I would never "class" my customers in the same league as my real friends.
Whilst we are there to make money.. to hustle.. whatever.. we can have that attitude just as long as we remember that you are a human being. ;D
In relation to a crowded club... this means that I gain rapport with the potential customer (aka target) quickly then try to "close the sale"... being able to do this within one song time-frame is effective use of time. The customer will know within that time frame whether he likes you or not.. if he doesn't.. leave.. maybe come back later to him.. move on.. ;)
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I have the same problem on the weekends at my club. It is so packed totally standing room only, and it's a madhouse!! I do used the wanna dance line on the weekends only, but I usually ask while I'm giving them a short sexy dollar dance. Even if they say no to the private dance, I still get a few bucks for my time in asking.
You could try this approach too. I usually make about 4 or 5 rounds per night on the weekends. I usually get about 3 dances off of every round and about $50 off of dollar dances alone per round.
Time for math now,LOL.
3 dances = $90 ($30 per dance) minus $15 ($5per dance)
$75 for the dances
$50 per round for dollar dances + $75 for the dances = $125.
Now if I continue this pace for 4 rounds that comes out to..........
$125 x 4 = $500 for 4 rounds of dollar dances and 12 private dances. Not too bad, and that's not including my stage money or the additional tips for the dances or anything else.
This method works well here. I am the only girl who actually uses it like this where I work but.... It's the only thing I can do to liven up the dreaded weekends.
Anywho, hope that helps!
Kitana
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This is the type of environment I do best in. High energy, lots of people partying, lots of horny guys. Get your mojo workin and run with it!
At the beginning of the shift, I'll do my usual checkin with DJ, then take a walk through the club from one end to the other, heading toward the bar for my soda or whatever, and scope out potential targets along the way. Work the walk, wink and give a sly grin here and there. By the time I've crossed the room I've got at least 3 targets.
Get my drink, smile at whoever is looking. If someone hasn't already approached me, I approach the first target. Introduce, smile, break out a flirty line, whatever. Light easy chitchat, squeezing his thigh or petting his arm, etc, til the song that's playing is about to end. Ask if he'd like to go back and play with me. We either dance or not, and I'm off to the next one. Repeat all night long.
There is no time for alot of chat on busy nights. While one dipshit is trying to get me to hang out for free, another guy is waiting on a dance, and I'm off.
I never recommend the "wannadance", but in busy clubs you should really only spend the rest of whatever song is playing when you approach before popping the question.
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Originally Posted by MojoJojo link=board=9;threadid=13600;start=msg177918#msg177 918 date=1095680037
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Study each one and pick your targets.
Wait...you see us as TARGETS??? <GASP!>
Ha ha :D, that's cute. ;) Sometimes, I jokingly refer to you guys as my victim or prey. It's all in good humor.
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Okay, so on a busy night, chat for 1 minute then pop the question. If no, politely move on and repeat. If yes, yea! AND try to sell dances from the stage. I'll try this tomorrow. I tend to spend too much time with people, though. I'll try to discipline myself and not sit with one person for too long. And if I get 6 no's, I won't feel bad.
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A packed club is what i liked! I seen a potential for much money IF i worked it.
First, dress, look like sex!
Second, don't spend much time on any customer unless he buys, be nice say hi, and tell him/them you will check back soon.
Third, flirt, flirt, flirt.
Fourth, always watch the dancer that seems to be doing the best (hard in a crowd but do-able) and use her hustling but with a twist. Say talk with your sexy legs while looking in a customers eyes. Or any part you find very sexy.
I think when i worked around alot of dancers and customers i had to look like i want sex in the form of a dance, i may have looked very horny and into men!
Worked for me.....Use your assets
Good luck,
Pamela
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I would get sooo nervous in a super crowded room! I would talk to a few and then stop or talk to long. That 1min to 30sec routine sounds like a plan! All this talk about the money I have probably missed out on in the past makes me want to go to DancerWealth..I think I need it.