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How much is "talk time" worth to you?
I've never bought time packages from a dancer precisely for this reason. I say a 30 minute package, should be 30 minutes of dancing, but understandably she might want a break after 15, or I may want one.
What are you willing to pay a gal to retain her at your table (with the understanding between both of you, that you WILL buy more dances later).
Should she get the same rates for her "down time" (talking with you) as she does dancing? Should she get anything?
Elaborate please.
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I picked 25% of the price, which here would mean ~$10/4 minutes, even though in reality I'd pay more like $5-10 for 10-20 minutes or so of chatting.
It's not about being cheap, just that by being shy I rarely enjoy the few, brief conversations that I have had with dancers. I haven't met one yet who knows how to handle the shy thing. Most leave within 30 seconds of sitting down with me. My record is just under 5 seconds before one took off...she never said a word. Could be why I don't have an ATF :)
Maybe I'm a tough customer...
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0 % If she's sitting at a table with me and I am going to get more dances, I don't feel I should pay her anything. I can guarantee her that it will be well worth her time spent :D
Now if I buy a ladies time and she wants to take a break and cuddle... I'll pay 100% of the agreed upon price. Cuddling is nice ;D
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I love the whole cuddle time thing. Dance is kind of a social event as well as kid of a date thing. So I put 50%. I buy a 2-hour block $300 on off-peak.
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I'm agree with Chuck. When I first get to the club and my ATF comes over to say hello and we spend a few minutes talking, catching up or whatever, I don't expect to pay her at all.
But if we are in the middle of a long LD session, I've asked here to just relax for a song or two and then I pay the full dance rate.
It would bother me to think that she expected to be paid to say hello, then see her later sitting with guys she never met trying to drum up new customers and not get paid by them.
But on the subject of pay per time, I had two firsts recently. At the end of the night I wanted another dance for the road, at the end of this last session I said, just one more, she said OK but wouldn't charge me for it. I gave her an extra tip to make up for it. The second was that I had a 30 minute private room with my fav and didn't have a single dance. She was having a bad night and we just talked. I was happy to pay for the whole time and gave her a nice tip. It was one of my favorite visits. ;)
So I don't know if I should vote 0 or 100%?
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I don't pay them to talk. They get paid to dance. Sometimes it is by the dance, sometimes x number of dances for x amount of money and others it is time/money where dances aren't counted but she does dance the whole shift minus video sales and other breaks. In the latter case, she may be on the clock when we do some of the talking but it is reflected in the total paid. :) In my case they would be foolish to do anything but stay till my money is gone. LOL.
The times I saw the ATF out of the club were off the clock as well.
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I put 0%. Sorry, but I don't think strippers need to be paid for their time if they eventually get paid for dances. They're supposed to spend time with you and try to get you to pay for dances. All that cuddling up, chatting, etc. is baloney. If you're not interested, you're not interested and it's time to move on. It's not that I'm against dancers. Remember, we're clients, not buddies. I don't even mind a sexy dance from someone who otherwise doesn't care to talk to you, just as long as she doesn't rip you off.
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I always am conscious of the fact that in the time they are talking to me, they could be going around hustling and making money. If they sit and chat only for a moment or two, something just a little beyond "Hi, Howyadoin", I wont tip anything, because I sit by the stage and tip anyway, so she will be getting some of my funds all night. If we get into a conversation, I always give something when she gets up, kinda like a thank you for taking your time to talk to me when you could be making money elsewhere.
I'm not the most approachable guy in the world (some say its because of my eyes), so pretty much only a handful of dancers who know me well will sit and shoot the breeze with me. I consider them in-club friends, so if I didnt tip them for talking, I dont think they would even notice. Still, I feel like I should by way of thanks, so I do. It is exceedingly rare for a dancer who doesnt know me to sit down and engage me in conversation, so I do not encounter someone who will chat for the ulterior motive of having me pay for her time in conversation.
There is a benefit to regularity.
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0 % If she's sitting at a table with me and I am going to get more dances, I don't feel I should pay her anything. I can guarantee her that it will be well worth her time spent :D
I'm with Chuck on this one, it's a rare occasion that I will tip for "talk time", the way I see it the time they invest talking will be a worthwhile investment, now I also will certainly not attempt to monopolize someones time if I don't plan on spending money on them.
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What are you willing to pay a gal to retain her at your table (with the understanding between both of you, that you WILL buy more dances later). Should she get the same rates for her "down time" (talking with you) as she does dancing? Should she get anything?
unbelieveable. of course,i would give her nothing. dancers get compensated for dances and not time. tell her to go into the escorting business if she wants compensation for her time. there is only one scenario in i can imagine paying her for her time. if for some reason, i monopolized her attention for an ungodly period of time,but paying her a short break. never.
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Sorry guys I have to jump in on this one. I usually don't expect $$$ for just sitting and talking but most guys will spend money on drinks for me. And I like Apple Martini's which are usually like $9 - $15. I have sat with a guy and he has bought 3 of them for me. Then I asked him (I'm very inquisitive) would he have given me $45 just for sitting with him for 20 minutes he said no. I said 'then why would you rather spend money buying drinks?' He says 'so you dance will be better later when you are drunk' ;D True story.
What's the difference tips or drinks? I don't ask for tips for sitting with a guy but most of the time they will slide $5 to $50 my way for spending time. In NJ most girls run around the bar collecting tips and never even interact with the customes. Then the 'Wanna Dancer or the more popular 'Vanna Dance' them to death. They appreciate the fact I come around the bar and actually talk and get to know them. They also understand that I could be making more money running around the bar like to other girls so they take care of me.
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What are you willing to pay a gal to retain her at your table (with the understanding between both of you, that you WILL buy more dances later).
I should have mentioned... I never spend time at a table once the dances start. Any talking is done in the VIP between songs or when the DJ is running his mouth. The only time I venture out is if I didn't tip the DJ to take her out of the rotation and watch her stage or it is a video sale and she has to go on stage. Breaks are in the VIP and if we get hungry we order food in. LOL. Since I am there to see one dancer, girls that approach before the festivities start are told I'm waiting for X. If they choose to stay and chat, they don't get tipped. There have been occasions where staying worked to their advantage as I did get dances at a later date if not that night. When I first started hitting the clubs, one girl parlayed a 15 minute chat into $4200 in 3.5 months. And she was only #2. LOL. When I dive in, it's the deep end and head first. ::) LOL.
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Ebony, I think the expectations are different around the country. In some places it is expected to be tipped for chatting. In my area it isn't. One of our regular contributers, FBR, from Ohio, routinely tips Jacksons just to keep the girls around his table. In the article "SC Ettiquette," it instructs customers to tip for chatting. That is probably what prompted DC's question. :)
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I just wanted to jump in here because of how things work in Australia especially on the Gold Coast.
Here on the Gold Coast you pay for the dancer's time not per dance or song (or anything). You also pay up-front. For instance, if you paid the $160 for the hour (in the VIP area).. if it is just you and the dancer then the dancer will most likely have a few breaks whilst dancing for you in that hour. You are paying for her time not necessarily for her dancing.
On the floor, you are not guaranteed to have the dancer's full attention and that is the reason why some guys will pay for "talk time" in the lap dance area instead of trying to talk to you "on the floor". We are there to chat with you "on the floor" however we area also looking for lap dances so our attention is divided between you and what else is happening in the club.
If you want my full undivided attention (dancing, conversation, whatever)... then get a lap dance from me. Otherwise, you only will have half my attention.
That's how I see it so I will have no problems compensating a dancer for talk time as long as we do it away from "the floor" and in the lap dance area so we can concentrate on talking (have a decent conversation).
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there is only one scenario in i can imagine paying her for her time. if for some reason, i monopolized her attention for an ungodly period of time
So what qualifies as an ungodly period of time ?
To me, anything over 3 songs/15min is cutting into my income. I understand alot of guys want to get a general feel about a dancer prior to get a dance but I think 15 minutes is more than enough. Its a dance not a lifetime commitment- LOL.
ALOT of customer try to pull the "I dont do dances" but I'll buy you a drink if you sit and chat. To me that is working for free and damn rude.
I think the main reason guys tip for talk is to keep their dancer of preference around for at whim dances throughout the customers stay in the club. And it makes sense too especially if you are in very large club with VIP's, because for example: I often get guys who want to stay in the VIP for 2 hours or longer- who wants to wait for 2 hours ya know.....and I am certainly not loosing that for sure money to go out on the floor to see if that" talk to me for free" customer is ready for a dance yet. ::)
I feel tipping for talk is the ultimate respect you can show a dancer on the clock.
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What are you willing to pay a gal to retain her at your table (with the understanding between both of you, that you WILL buy more dances later).
I didn't really answer the question.. sorry! 8) :-[
At my club (and on the Gold Coast) it is not generally a thing to do to tip dancers who spend time talking with you at your table. Some dancers will just want a drink or three as compensation instead whereas others (like myself) will sit with you without any monetary compensation because we like chatting/hanging with you. :D
I will spend time at your table with you without compensation if:
* You just need to finish your drink before you go for a dance
* You have booked in a dance/time with me for 15 minutes later
* It is a slow night and you are easy to talk with (hence make me look busy and look like I'm enjoy-ing myself)
I won't spend time at your table with you without compensation if:
* It is busy and it is obvious to me that you aren't getting a dance at that point in time
* You have booked in time with me for 30 or more minutes later (ie you booked in at 9.30pm for a 11.30pm dance). I will spend some time with you however I will also be wanting to see if I can get in one dance prior to the dance/time with you.
* You are just jerking me around
etc.
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* You have booked in a dance/time with me
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For instance, if you paid the $160 for the hour (in the VIP area).. if it is just you and the dancer then the dancer will most likely have a few breaks whilst dancing for you in that hour.
LOL... Sorry Aussie. I must be a real hard ass!!!! In CA, the law states 10 minute break every 2 hours. If a dancer took a few breaks in the hour, she would only get paid for dances danced. If it is time money as you state, she damn well better be dancing if there is music playing unless she is providing extras. Nothing is free!!! Talking isn't worth paying for! :(
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Sometimes I enjoy talking with dancers, and sometimes I feel like they should be paying me for playing amateur psychotherapist and listening to all their problems.
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In this business, time is money. If you want my time, then you give me money.
Of course, there are contextual conditions to that statement. The first two songs are a business investment on my part; time to determine if we have chemistry, if I find you interesting, if you're just going to waste my time and vice versa. After that I expect money, either tips to continue the conversation or dances/the arrangement of dances. Not a long period of "free" time, to be sure, but for all I know you have an ATF whom I am "cockblocking" by sitting with you or you simply may not be interested. No sense in wasting my valuable time, nor delaying your pleasurable entertainment.
Frankly, I rely heavily on my conversational skills. I don't give extras and don't EVER take my top off. I must therefore make up for this by being exceptionally good-looking, a witty and intellectual conversationalist and by giving superb dances of uncommon caliber. Experience has taught me that many consider my conversation, alone or in combination with dances, to be truly valuable and I treat it as such.
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Frankly, I rely heavily on my conversational skills. I don't give extras and don't EVER take my top off. I must therefore make up for this by being exceptionally good-looking, a witty and intellectual conversationalist and by giving superb dances of uncommon caliber.
Yawn.
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My "talk time" rates with dancers:
* Witty and intellectual conversation. $1 per footnote (That's just me; maybe Prester John would pay more.)
* Play-by-play on how you got raspberry abrasions on your back having sex with a customer on a concrete floor. $2
* Color commentary on above. $2 ("He was so drunk he couldn't get it up.")
* Confessing all the drugs you've done but don't do now. $1
* Explaining what you'd do for Vicadins. 1 hydrocodone (sorry, I only stock generics)
* Why you still have sex with a guy you have a restraining order on. $1
* The inside story on your six months in a federal detention center. $6 if you rolled over on your drug dealer BF, $5 if they never got anything out of you.
* Which girls are stoned and horny today. $1 per dozen names
* How you got the bruises on your face and arms. $1 per bruise for the truth; nothing if you fell down the stairs again.
* Answering your Q about how to take your BF in the butt without it hurting. Your BF owes me $1 an inch.
* Listening to a "poor me" or "mishap" story. $200 or whatever it takes to make everything better. NOT.
* Answering the question "Why do guys who could be so good turn out to be assholes." Don't know, sorry. Wasted time for both of us.
* Listening to stories of unsafe sex. $2 for warning me to stay away from you.
* What you would do if we hook up outside the club. And which other dancer you could bring with you. $10 because I'm going to play along for 20 minutes and then toss in a dealbreaker.
Anybody have other categories and rates?
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Likewise, ML. If your sort of girl can be replaced with any blow-up doll without you being able to tell the difference, then I'm not the one for you. I prefer customers who recognize quality... and don't think a proper introduction is "Hi! Can I see your boobs now?"
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nobody bats 1000 in sales, to me the talk time is a customer service deal. i dont expect my customers to hand over a huge chunk of business after one call, after several i expect to close...if not, next.
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My "talk time" rates with dancers:
* Witty and intellectual conversation. $1 per footnote (That's just me; maybe Prester John would pay more.)
* Play-by-play on how you got raspberry abrasions on your back having sex with a customer on a concrete floor. $2
* Color commentary on above. $2 ("He was so drunk he couldn't get it up.")
* Confessing all the drugs you've done but don't do now. $1
* Explaining what you'd do for Vicadins. 1 hydrocodone (sorry, I only stock generics)
* Why you still have sex with a guy you have a restraining order on. $1
* The inside story on your six months in a federal detention center. $6 if you rolled over on your drug dealer BF, $5 if they never got anything out of you.
* Which girls are stoned and horny today. $1 per dozen names
* How you got the bruises on your face and arms. $1 per bruise for the truth; nothing if you fell down the stairs again.
* Answering your Q about how to take your BF in the butt without it hurting. Your BF owes me $1 an inch.
* Listening to a "poor me" or "mishap" story. $200 or whatever it takes to make everything better. NOT.
* Answering the question "Why do guys who could be so good turn out to be assholes." Don't know, sorry. Wasted time for both of us.
* Listening to stories of unsafe sex. $2 for warning me to stay away from you.
* What you would do if we hook up outside the club. And which other dancer you could bring with you. $10 because I'm going to play along for 20 minutes and then toss in a dealbreaker.
Anybody have other categories and rates?
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* Answering the question "Why do guys who could be so good turn out to be assholes." Don't know, sorry. Wasted time for both of us.
One footnote, though, to this one. Maybe its because she only picks assholes. Or would not know a nice guy or what to do with him if she had one.
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