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"Confessions Of A Strip Club Bouncer"
Longtime Maxim subscribers might remember this article about Scores in NYC. Interesting read. Kind of sums up my impression of "upscale clubs" and the PL patrons that go to them.
http://www.maximonline.com/grit/arti...ticle_364.html
My personal favorite excerpt:
For 10 weeks running, Ricky, a hot shot in the clothing business, stuffed an endless stream of twenties into her garters for lap dances and whispered promises. One night Ricky came up to me, and I could tell he had something on his mind.
“You know, Sonny,” he said, “I’ve spent $40,000 on this girl, and I haven’t even gotten a fuckin’ blow job.” Now, I genuinely liked Ricky, and seeing him throw his money away made me queasy. I wanted to let him in on the truth: that the strippers were a fantasy, to be seen but not touched and never, ever to be taken home. But telling the truth wasn’t so easy. After all, I was part of the fantasy.
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That guy had issues that had nothing to do with the level of the club. Guys like that ( those who think they can buy people) would bankrupt themselves in any kind of club ,upscale or not ::)
I don't get why a man who visits and enjoys an upscale club is a pathetic loser and yet those of u who go to blue collar clubs are not ???
I've worked many differnt kinds of clubs and can tell u from personal experience that you're more likely to find ALOT more "pathetic losers " in neighborhood style clubs than in upscale ones.
In all honesty I find that 3/4's the neighborhood club customers appear to be there because that's the only place they can get postive attention or physical contact with pretty girls - ie supplementing their love lives.
In contrast 3/4's of upscale customers appear to be there for drinks, dinner and a show- ie entertainment.
Some of u have said you've never even been to an upscale club and still u go around passing judgements on these places and the people who go to or work in them >:(
I think a number of you boys are suffering a severe case of income envy. Otherwise why not just take the differnt strokes approach instead of having to put down and make fun of upscale dancers and customers
I never hear upscale customers putting you guys down, they just leave it at "not my cup of tea". I guess because they have nothing to be envious of in regards to stripclub experiences :-\
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Isis, from what I've read on this site, many guys think the upscale club customers are not "losers" but "suckers" for doing what they see as "paying more money for less service. "
For more on this topic, see the recent thread here:
http://www.stripclubjunkie.com/forum...bbse/t1454.htm
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Originally Posted by lestat1 link=board=9;threadid=1476;start=msg22953#msg22953 date=1084920504
Isis, from what I've read on this site, many guys think the upscale club customers are not "losers" but "suckers" for doing what they see as "paying more money for less service. "
I do go to an upscale club, and I have issues with it that I've detailed before.
Lestat nailed it above. If guys have the money and want to spend it fine. Also, I don't begrudge the women taking the money - not at all. But if I have money to burn, I'm still not going to buy $700 bottles of champagne. Ain't gonna happen. I don't need to fuel my ego that badly.
Also I believe that Niceguy had some valid points. At my "upscale" club, there are too many hands reaching for a tip, and frankly it's unwarranted and a nuisance.
I don't consider anybody losers, myself being a huge PL. But I'm just not going to be as happy in the kind of environment that fosters outrageous spending for virtually nothing.
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Originally Posted by Isis link=board=9;threadid=1476;start=msg22947#msg22947 date=1084904931
That guy had issues that had nothing to do with the level of the club. Guys like that ( those who think they can buy people) would bankrupt themselves in any kind of club ,upscale or not ::)
I don't get why a man who visits and enjoys an upscale club is a pathetic loser and yet those of u who go to blue collar clubs are not ???
Oh I never meant to imply that PL's only go to upscale clubs. They can in fact be found most anywhere.
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I've worked many differnt kinds of clubs and can tell u from personal experience that you're more likely to find ALOT more "pathetic losers " in neighborhood style clubs than in upscale ones.
Depends on what your definition of a PL is I guess. I define it as someone who continually spends money in hopes of attaining something that their sensible side knows they cannot have.
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In all honesty I find that 3/4's the neighborhood club customers appear to be there because that's the only place they can get postive attention or physical contact with pretty girls - ie supplementing their love lives.
Doubtful considering that many customers in that type of club are already married, or have a SO. Some even bring the SO along with them.
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In contrast 3/4's of upscale customers appear to be there for drinks, dinner and a show- ie entertainment.
I'd say they go there for the same reason that someone buys a $50,000 Hummer with the intention of only driving it around town. The appeal is not so much about enjoying the entertainers, but about showing off their status. Why else would anyone be so stupid to pay $100 for a shot?
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Some of u have said you've never even been to an upscale club and still u go around passing judgements on these places and the people who go to or work in them >:(
I think a number of you boys are suffering a severe case of income envy. Otherwise why not just take the differnt strokes approach instead of having to put down and make fun of upscale dancers and customers
Nope. I don't envy them a bit. I in fact pity them. Even if I had their millions, I would not feel the need to waste thousands of dollars on the so called "perks" of upscale clubs. (You know the ridiculously overpriced booze, mandatory valet parking, and super expensive VIPs). If thats the kind of treatment that being wealthy buys you, then I'm know my impoverished middle class ass is getting a better deal.
Furthermore, I don't remember saying anything derogatory about the dancers. If I were a hot enough looking chick and had the will to do it, I'd be bleeding the suckers dry too.
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I never hear upscale customers putting you guys down, they just leave it at "not my cup of tea". I guess because they have nothing to be envious of in regards to stripclub experiences :-\
Of course you don't hear about it. People embroiled in snobbery tend not let it be known that there may be a chink in their phony armor. That would kind of defeat the purpose of being a snob. Besides, many of those same customers probably go to downscale establishments as well.
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I've been to upscale clubs, and I know dancers who have worked in those clubs. Their most common complaint: "I couldn't be myself there." I've seen naturally beautiful girls coated with enough make-up to make their faces unrecognizable. Scary.
I have the money, but one of my rules is NEVER to outbid another customer for a dancer. If someone else wants to offer double for champagne and money for nothing, that's okay, but it's not my game.
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$100 shots? $700 bottles?
Where are u boys getting this stuff from? Yeah there's a few shmucks here n there that do that but that is NOT the norm behavior that upscale guys take part in. Most buy beers, mixed drinks or water just like neighborhood club guys. Most upscale club customers do the same things u guys do-they buy a drink or 2, tip some dancers on stage and buy a few dances. They just like a different environment than u that's all.
Problem with Valet-that's easy don't use it, park across the street or in the self parking.
Problem with tipping the door hostess or floorman or bathroom guys....that's easy too- just don't tip , they can't make you tip ::)
I guess what I am getting at is that alot of SCJ's slam these clubs and their customers, and sometimes the dancers too .... ofcourse everybody is free to express their opinions and all but maybe u don't see that it's alot like no contact dancers slamming contact dancers- which is something I notice ya'll dislike very much
Just because it's not ur thing doesn't make it stupid or paying more for less, it just makes not ur thing. I just don't see why ya'll have to put them down for liking something different than most of ya'll do :-\
I guess that's the end of what I wanted to say about this- thanks for reading ;)
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Isis, I guess I'm missing something. Do you have an example of upscale club customers being put down? Is calling them "suckers" the extent of it, or is somethign else bothering you? :-\
I'm fine with simply saying "it's not my thing" and while I wouldn't put them down beyond thinking they are "suckers," I do still believe they are paying more for less. If someone posts some experiences that explain how they are getting more, or even equal value for their money, I'll consider changing my mind.
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Originally Posted by Isis link=board=9;threadid=1476;start=msg22964#msg22964 date=1084931981
$100 shots ? $700 bottles ?
Where are u boys getting this stuff from ? Yeah there's a few shmucks here n there that do that but that is NOT the norm behavior that upscale guys take part in. Most buy beers , mixed drinks or water just like neighborhood club guys. Most upscale club customers do the same things u guys do- they buy a drink or 2, tip some dancers on stage and buy a few dances. They just like a differnt enviroment than u that's all.
I've got to back Isis up here, when I do go to this type of club I would guess that I don't spend anymore than I do in any other type of club, and that appears to be the norm for the rest of the crowd. It's all good.
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Originally Posted by lestat1 link=board=9;threadid=1476;start=msg22965#msg22965 date=1084932393
Isis, I guess I'm missing something. Do you have an example of upscale club customers being put down? Is calling them "suckers" the extent of it, or is something else bothering you? :-\
I sent Lestat a PM containing some recent comments that ya'll have said that raised my eyebrow. I don't want to name names and point fingers b/c some of u who said these things are great posters overall but here's a short list of the severely neg. things that have been said:
these clubs/customers/dancers have been described (in one thread alone) by SCJ's as degrading, ripping people off and not earning their money, not legit, morons of the highest order, existing only for laundering money, lacking integrity and dignity and unable to get it up.
I was just wondering where all that hostility and negative opinions come from in the first place.
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Great article DC. It was a very good read! Thanks!!!
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Originally Posted by Isis link=board=9;threadid=1476;start=msg22973#msg22973 date=1084939559
I was just wondering where all that hostility and negative opinions come from in the first place.
Isis, I think you are making way too much out of those comments. TigerLilly asked a question and we gave our honest answers. You don't see threads titled "Air Dances Suck." Or "Boycot Upscale Clubs." For the most part, no one caps on anyone else here for the way they spend their money. It's their money. If they are happy with the product. Great! If they are a monger or raincoater great. If they like fantasy, that's fine too. What others do with their money doesn't affect me. I don't care. The majority here like contact. That's all. 8)
My answer to TigerLilly was: "I have no idea why someone would go to that type of club unless they have more money than they can burn, (as in they light cigars with $100 bills) or they can't get it up." (as in I really have no idea anyone would go.) There was no hostility there. For me it's strictly economics.
My last trip to the club, I paid for 5 hours of dances with my fav. At Sapphire in the VIP, that would have run $2500. In a skybox, it would have been $3750. I spent less than 1/3 of the first figure. Why on earth would I want to go to the upscale club and pay more? Why? I'd put my fav up with anyone there in the looks department. Why pay for marble floors when I'm looking at boobs and cookies. LOL. I don't understand the appeal. That's all. ;)
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"Can't we all just get along?"
Upscale = not my cup of tea. (more power to those that do enjoy it) Been there. Didn't enjoy.
Neighborhood bar w/ bangin R & B/Hip Hop = everything I desire in my cup.
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"You know, Sonny," he said, "I’ve spent $40,000 on this girl, and I haven’t even gotten a fuckin’ blow job."
;Dbwhahahaha..i love it...what a sap. well, i can't say that i feel sorry for him, but what happened to him is pretty common in a sc. nice article, DC.
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I wanted to let him in on the truth: that the strippers were a fantasy, to be seen but not touched and never, ever to be taken home.
<snicker>oh yeah, that never happens with strippers. ::)
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Originally Posted by Isis link=board=9;threadid=1476;start=msg22947#msg22947 date=1084904931
That guy had issues that had nothing to do with the level of the club. Guys like that ( those who think they can buy people) would bankrupt themselves in any kind of club ,upscale or not.
well, i don't know if he had issues. however, his actions are a very old and common story in sc of all types.
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Originally Posted by Isis link=board=9;threadid=1476;start=msg22947#msg22947 date=1084904931
I don't get why a man who visits and enjoys an upscale club is a pathetic loser and yet those of u who go to blue collar clubs are not
you didn't get that impression from me. you can find suckers in any type of sc. for example, the customer in the article is a sucker. the only difference between him and a sucker in a neighborhood sc is the magnitude of the money spent, but the underlying principal of the con game is the same. the customer knew what he wanted (mileage), but he was so busy trying to be a "nice guy" that he never bothered to find out if this broad was the real deal before handing over the cash. why would anyone in his right mind do that? well, that's what suckers in a sc do best. futhermore, the dancer probably hustled him with the usual stripper tactics. in the end, he might as well have soaked his money in gasoline and set it on fire. the experience would have been just as satisfying as getting hustled by a stripper. FYI, giving away a large sum of money in the hopes that a flakey stripper will fulfill her end of the bargain is nothing more than a sucker's game.
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Originally Posted by Isis link=board=9;threadid=1476;start=msg22947#msg22947 date=1084904931
In all honesty I find that 3/4's the neighborhood club customers appear to be there because that's the only place they can get postive attention or physical contact with pretty girls - ie supplementing their love lives.
In contrast 3/4's of upscale customers appear to be there for drinks, dinner and a show- ie entertainment.
really? so what are the other 1/4 doing at the sc in both cases? you haven't been dancing that long, have you? that's a pretty youthful and naive veiwpoint. you'd be surprised at what goes on inside and outside of a sc between customers and dancers, no matter what type. you'd also be surprised at some of the reasons why customers are at a sc, no matter what type.
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Originally Posted by Isis link=board=9;threadid=1476;start=msg22947#msg22947 date=1084904931
I think a number of you boys are suffering a severe case of income envy. Otherwise why not just take the differnt strokes approach instead of having to put down and make fun of upscale dancers and customers.
different strokes? is it really that simple? let me ask you this: does the customer in the article seem like a satisfied customer or a sucker who got hustled by a stripper for 40k? i don't know about you, but he didn't seem too happy about blowing 40k on some stripper who didn't even give him a BJ. or perhaps this is how customers express their satisfaction in an upscale club. ::)
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I'm with Fish on the "can't get it up" part. I talk to dancers who worked in upscale clubs. Their best regulars were typically professional guys 45-65 who never got it up with them. That's a MAJOR market niche.
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Originally Posted by mr_punk link=board=9;threadid=1476;start=msg22978#msg22978 date=1084945220
really? so what are the other 1/4 doing at the sc in both cases? you haven't been dancing that long, have you?
I've been dancing several years actually, all over the US. I'm just expressing my POV, based on my experiences.
What r the other 1/4 doing? In upscale clubs u get the other 1/4 looking to supplement their love lives by asking for dates or sex. And in neighborhood clubs u get the other 1/4 there for just the show. Basically just flip flop my original comments on that and u got ur answer.
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Originally Posted by mr_punk link=board=9;threadid=1476;start=msg22978#msg22978 date=1084945220
different strokes? is it really that simple? let me ask you this: does the customer in the article seem like a satisfied customer or a sucker who got hustled by a stripper for 40k? i don't know about you, but he didn't seem too happy about blowing 40k on some stripper who didn't even give him a BJ. or perhaps this is how customers express their satisfaction in an upscale club. ::)
There u go again..... making it out like that's all that happens in an upscale club. That kinda stuff happens in any kind of club. U make it out like no one every enjoys their time in an upscale club, which just isn't true. Like I said before the experiences aren't all that different when u get down to basics.
Drinks, stage shows and dances. Just different environments.
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Originally Posted by fishnet link=board=9;threadid=1476;start=msg22975#msg22975 date=1084942373
Isis, I think you are making way too much out of those comments. TigerLilly asked a question and we gave our honest answers.
Yeah, maybe you're right. I'm just pointing out that those answers look really bitter that's all...... And very similar to the whole air dancers slamming contact dancers thing....
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Originally Posted by SW2 link=board=9;threadid=1476;start=msg22981#msg22981 date=1084967471
I'm with Fish on the "can't get it up" part. I talk to dancers who worked in upscale clubs. Their best regulars were typically professional guys 45-65 who never got it up with them. That's a MAJOR market niche.
Arg.....that is exactly the kinda thing I'm talking about guys-it looks completely jealous, petty and bitter. And no different from saying all contact dancers are nasty ho's. It's B.S !
If u believe that well then ur in need prof. help :o I mean seriously Sporty I thought u were more adept at smelling SS- those favs of urs are just blowing smoke up ur ass and verbally stroking ur dick. It's the equivalent of your dick is bigger than theirs ::)
Saying that upscale customers can't get it up is sooooooo f-ing stupid and such a load of bull-crap it doesn't even deserve any more comment. :-X
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Originally Posted by Isis link=board=9;threadid=1476;start=msg22992#msg22992 date=1084986110
I've been dancing several years actually , all over the US. I'm justexpressing my POV, based on my experiences.
really? i'm just taking a wild guess, but i suppose you usually work at air dance or low level one way contact sc, yes?
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Originally Posted by Isis link=board=9;threadid=1476;start=msg22992#msg22992 date=1084986110
What r the other 1/4 doing ? in upscale clubs u get the other 1/4 looking to supplement their love lives by asking for dates or sex. And in neighborhood clubs u get the other 1/4 there for just the show. Basicaly just flip flpo my original comments on that and u got ur answer.
oh, i see. they are there to "supplement their love lives". really? i think love has little to do with it. in any case, where does the customer who only wants conversation fit into your survey? or is that just part of the show?
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Originally Posted by Isis link=board=9;threadid=1476;start=msg22992#msg22992 date=1084986110
There u go again..... making it out like that's all that happens in an upscale club. That kinda stuff happens in any kind of club .U make it out like no one every enjoys their time in an upscale club, which just isn't true. . Like I said before the experiences aren't all that differnt when u get down to basics.
Drinks, stage shows and dances. Just differnt enviroments.
ummm...no sweetie, there you go again. as you can see , i actually did agree with you:
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Originally Posted by mr_punk link=board=9;threadid=1476;start=msg22978#msg22978 date=1084945220
you didn't get that impression from me. you can find suckers in any type of sc. for example, the customer in the article is a sucker. the only difference between him and a sucker in a neighborhood sc is the magnitude of the money spent, but the underlying principal of the con game is the same.
perhaps, i didn't make myself clear. my point was that there are suckers in every kind of sc and upscale clubs are no exception. OTOH, it seems to me that you think upscale clubs are the greatest thing since sliced bread and offers a superior level of entertainment. i disagree. i think a customers satisfaction depends on the level of service he requires being met by that paticular club. the type of club is irrelevant. an upscale sc customer can be just as big of a sucker as any other type of sc customer. an upscale customer can be a bigger monger than myself. however, while you make think that paticular type of club is a great working environment, for whatever reason, that may not be true from a customer perspective. you say the guys here have a bias against upscale clubs. i just find it strange that you seem to suffer from the exact same bias. as i stated before, i really don't care what type of sc it may be as long as it can serve my demand for nice bodies and mileage.
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Originally Posted by mr_punk link=board=9;threadid=1476;start=msg22995#msg22995 date=1084993766
i'm just taking a wild guess, but i suppose you usually work at air dance or low level one way contact sc, yes?
bzzt.... wrong! I work several days a week in local med contact neighborhood clubs and travel every few weeks to work in upscale clubs.
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Originally Posted by mr_punk link=board=9;threadid=1476;start=msg22995#msg22995 date=1084993766
oh, i see. they are there to "supplement their love lives". really? i think love has little to do with it. in any case, where does the customer who only wants conversation fit into your survey? or is that just part of the show?
love life, sex life whatever u want 2 call it-they ask for dates and/or extras.
Conversation types, yes I'd put that in the part of the show category.
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Originally Posted by mr_punk link=board=9;threadid=1476;start=msg22995#msg22995 date=1084993766
ummm...no sweetie, there you go again. as you can see , i actually did agree with you
in one post u did , then in another u contradicted it, but I'll take ur word for it now that we agree it can happen in any club. Also please don't call me sweetie- it's very condensending :-\
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Originally Posted by mr_punk link=board=9;threadid=1476;start=msg22995#msg22995 date=1084993766
OTOH, it seems to me that you think upscale clubs are the greatest thing since sliced bread and offers a superior level of entertainment. i disagree.
Well, we certainly disagree on that! Ofcourse we're talking about opinions there which are subjective, so it's all good ;)
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Originally Posted by Isis link=board=9;threadid=1476;start=msg22998#msg22998 date=1084996210
bzzt.... wrong ! I work several days a week in local med contact neighborhood clubs and travel every few weeks to work in upscale clubs.
med contact? like i said low level contact.
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Originally Posted by Isis link=board=9;threadid=1476;start=msg22998#msg22998 date=1084996210
Conversation types, yes i'd put that in the part of the show catagory.
i thought so. now, i see where you're coming from.
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Originally Posted by Isis link=board=9;threadid=1476;start=msg22998#msg22998 date=1084996210
in one post u did , then in another u contridicted it, but I'll take ur word for it now that we agree it can happen in any club . Also please don't call me sweetie- it's very condensending :-\
oh, i contradicted myself and since you couldn't be bothered to post the alledged contradiction. i'll have to take your word that i contradicted myself. no sweetie, that's condesending.
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Originally Posted by mr_punk link=board=9;threadid=1476;start=msg23000#msg23000 date=1084999259
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Originally Posted by Isis link=board=9;threadid=1476;start=msg22998#msg22998 date=1084996210
bzzt.... wrong ! I work several days a week in local med contact neighborhood clubs and travel every few weeks to work in upscale clubs.
med contact? like i said low level contact.
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Originally Posted by Isis link=board=9;threadid=1476;start=msg22998#msg22998 date=1084996210
Conversation types, yes i'd put that in the part of the show catagory.
i thought so. now, i see where you're coming from.
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Originally Posted by Isis link=board=9;threadid=1476;start=msg22998#msg22998 date=1084996210
in one post u did , then in another u contridicted it, but I'll take ur word for it now that we agree it can happen in any club . Also please don't call me sweetie- it's very condensending :-\
oh, i contradicted myself and since you couldn't be bothered to post the alledged contradiction. i'll have to take your word that i contradicted myself. no sweetie, that's condesending.
No Punk MED. contact- which differs from low contact in many ways ::) As u very well know.....
So now u know where I'm coming from huh? Please elaborate just to be sure....
I asked u politely once already not to call me sweetie. ..... and continuing to do so is blatantly disrespectful or in simpler terms being a jerk and uncalled for >:(
I showed your contradiction in reply 14-it's the 2nd to last quote.
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also guys if u just want me to shut up on this issue all u gotta do is quit asking me questions ok b/c I've expressed my thoughts on this a few times now so.....
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Well I'm enjoying reading the thread, so please continue. :)
One thing I'd like to read though are stories or experiences from upscale club customers. Since I don't really "get" why they enjoy upscale over neighborhood clubs, that might help clear it up for me.
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Unfortunately Lestat I doubt u will ever get to read any of why from a customers point of view here on SCJ considering the neg. comments and name calling that prevails regarding upscale clubs, dancers and customers. If I were an upscale customer I don't think I'd say much either- it's just asking for personal attacks :(
Well, guys I gotta run for today I've got to get ready and go off to work.
Have a nice evening everyone:peace:
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Originally Posted by Isis link=board=9;threadid=1476;start=msg23004#msg23004 date=1085000832
also guys if u just want me to shut up on this issue all u gotta do is quit asking me questions ok b/c I've expressed my thoughts on this a few times now so.....
Gee, all this hostility from one tongue-in-cheek remark of mine. Go figure.
Isis, sweetie, don't take our smart aleck little witticisms over here so seriously, and don't go running away on us because we just can't see eye to eye on this. Great minds don't think alike IMHO.
I in fact, like your spunk for taking us to task over here (much like other gals who post over here regularly). That helps conduct a fair balanced, complete discussion, unlike the selective discussion going on about this very subject on the LO board where everyone over here is effectively being accused of petty jealousy and seeking extras.
This in spite of that the "raincoater" and "moderate" junkies alike all gave a pretty consistent answer on this subject. Lack of mileage might be the issue for some guys here, but I think for the most part we were in agreement that the primary turnoff was the pretentious atmosphere and everything assorted with it: Excessively high drink and VIP prices, (as opposed to ones that are just "high"), bathroom attendants and shoe shine services which we do not need, mandatory valet parking, etc. It was not neccesarily the level of contact. We could probably be discussing the aspects of "upscale" restauraunts, hotels, or golf courses versus "downscale" ones and the responses here might pretty much be the same.
Frankly, I don't know why we're discussing this subject like there is an impenetrable wall between "upscale" and "downscale" clubs. Most dancers who have worked in the former have done their fair share of time in the latter as well. Some even prefer the latter, or at least a balance of the two over time. I'd expect for many customers, it is much the same. I've been to Sapphire in Las Vegas, and I've been in one room lap dance shacks with suspect plumbing. In some cases, I liked the shacks better.
Also we should point out that the concept of "upscale" is very relative. One of my favorite clubs upstate is considered "upscale" by Kansas standards, but when compared to an "upscale" club in Dallas, Las Vegas, or NYC it would just be "middle of the road". The "middle of the road" places I go to locally would be considered "ghetto" in many locales. Guess which one I can get the cheapest dances at?
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Re:"Confessions Of A Strip Club Bouncer"
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Originally Posted by doc-catfish link=board=9;threadid=1476;start=msg23008#msg23008 date=1085009248
Isis sweetie, don't take our smart aleck little witticisms over here so seriously, and don't go running away because we just can't see eye to eye on this.
Doc bad boy. You used the "S" word :o LOL
I agree with you totally...Isis is welcome welcome welcome did I say welcome enough...but whenever you post here you stand the chance of being disagreed with. No "lockstep" on the blue site. Hell, look at me. Im well liked here ( I think ::) ) but I get my ass kicked all the time for some of the things I post. In spite of the bruises, it helps me to see things in a different light which is good ;D
We can all play in the sandbox and after brushing off the dust still be friends. Thats what I like about SCJ.
FBR