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I might of been kinda harsh. If someone needs a date for a function,sex ,just plain compananship it's no big deal. But these Sugar Daddies I have encountered in real life always tend to be asses that it was no wonder they had to pay someone to spend time with them.Quite pathetic. I have a friend who's band does sideline band work playing yacht clubs. These Suga Daddy types aren't fooling anyone.The girls that they come with are eyeing other guys,sometimes the guys in my friend's band no less.Everyone there knows he's paying her,laughing behind his back.To me that's selling your self out. Great for the woman/girls though that these losers are out there.;D
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To each his own.
I'd rather spend my money on other things but that's me.
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Live And Let Live I always say. They're not hurting anyone.Just kinda sad though. Oh well. :)
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Live And Let Live I always say. They're not hurting anyone.Just kinda sad though. Oh well. :)
I think that is about the best that can be said about the whole issue.
Although, I do wonder if sugar daddies put themselves into the poor house or endanger their financial stability with this sort of thing.
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Yes, before we start throwing too many stones from this glass house, let's remember: that "pay for affection" is pretty much what a big chunk of strip clubs are dedicated to; that a fair number of people would suggest that SCJ's are "pathetic losers" for their recreational ways; that what we're talking about with SCJ's versus sugar daddies may well just be a matter of degree, not of differences.
I'm sure there are sugar daddies who put their accounts at risk for their caretaking ways. I'm also sure there are strip club goers who put their accounts at risk through compulsive attendance. In fact, I've had waitresses and dancers point a few out to me (and hoped that they weren't pointing me out to others).
There's all kinds of facets to this whole phenomenon. In my view, the way we've been talking about sugar daddies, they're simply part of the pay-for-affection spectrum, just a few economic levels higher than I am with my once-a-month visits to see my fave.
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True Jay, But it's for that moment that the dancer entertains the client.She isn't putting on a facade to impress the Sugar Daddies friends,clients etc to pose as his girlfriend.
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Hm. It was my impression of the sugar daddy concept that the objets d'affection of this type of relationship were often on the side, so to speak, outside of the public eye.
I hear stories about a professional athlete or celebrity type blowing 1K a minute at the blackjack tables in Vegas. If that's what it takes to juice them, well, so be it - it's their money. Personally, assuming that my conscience let me, if I were on their payroll, I'd prefer to keep a hypothetical Rose on the side part-time for 30 minutes of that time, and I'd consider myself much less of a loser. ;)
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I don't know Jay.I'm into minding my own biz and not judging anyone,but to have to pay anyone to talk to me or give me lip service {And I don't mean in a sexual way lol} just seems sad.Too many "Free" companions out there.Who want to spend time with you/me ,who ever because they like you,not cause you have to pay them.;)
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I don't know Jay.I'm into minding my own biz and not judging anyone,but to have to pay anyone to talk to me or give me lip service {And I don't mean in a sexual way lol} just seems sad.Too many "Free" companions out there.Who want to spend time with you/me ,who ever because they like you,not cause you have to pay them.;)
Sonic, dude you are being judgemental. I dont feel sad at all by paying for companionship whether inside or outside the club. I suspect 99% of the other posters here would agree with that. We do it because a) it fits our particular needs and lifestyle and b) we can afford it ;D
Yes, there are ladies out there who you can hook up with free of charge (not really "free" but thats a whole nuther discussion). Were talking real life as opposed to the SC fantasy. Thats cool but has nothing to do with the strip club world.
FBR
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Sonic, dude you are being judgemental. I dont feel sad at all by paying for companionship whether inside or outside the club. I suspect 99% of the other posters here would agree with that. We do it because a) it fits our particular needs and lifestyle and b) we can afford it ;D
Yes, there are ladies out there who you can hook up with free of charge (not really "free" but thats a whole nuther discussion). Were talking real life as opposed to the SC fantasy. Thats cool but has nothing to do with the strip club world.
FBR
Not really who am I to judge? See I don't view a customer/dancer type situation as the man being a "Sugar Daddy". I'm referrig to the situations where a man "keeps" a woman on the payroll to have sex with him,date,go out in public as his "girlfriend" etc. I commented in a follow up post about my view of that as "Live And Let Live". As for me being able to afford anything you have no idea of my fianances or lack of.So maybe we shouldn't comment on that till you do so.;) Which will never happen,plus I'm sure you could care less. As I do yours. :P
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Well.....
I think anyone who is a Sugar Daddy is a pathetic loser and suffers from lack of social skills or lacks a personality that they would sacrifice their self esteem and be played like that.
it's great for the girl/woman I guess to be able to find such a wanker that would go for that.
These Suga Daddy types aren't fooling anyone.
Everyone there knows he's paying her,laughing behind his back.To me that's selling your self out. Great for the woman/girls though that these losers are out there.
Now, to me, that sounds fairly judgmental.
I might of been kinda harsh.
Live And Let Live I always say.
Not really who am I to judge?
And that's not judgmental but kinda loses its conviction in context of everything else. (And I'm trying hard not to be judgmental about who is or isn't judgmental ;))
I have written a bit about my current fave. Let's just take a scenario. We get along so famously in the club, but not often enough, that we discuss how to extend our business relationship out of the club. We meet over a couple lunches that I buy. We meet for some private dancing time that I pay for. We hit a show out of town or hit the local museum or meet for coffee.
I send her some hundreds of dollars for her social and private time, because we started out with me paying for her time in the club, and I want to be fair with her time - and most importantly, because her presence gives me great joy, and it beats the hell out other social things that I do that could cost plenty of money. Let's pretend I've got the money to spend on her, and since I'm so damn happy with her, I consider it money well spent.
In the meantime, I'm reasonably successful, with nice friends, a nice family, a nice business, reasonably popular - but this lady just gives me a romantic and personal and social satisfaction that I don't find in my real life, yet I cannot make her part of my real life, because it would be destructive. So I pay for her companionship on the side.
So I don't know about lacking social skills, lacking personality, lacking self-esteem, or being played for a loser. I've just got some secret entertainment in my secret free time that I really enjoy, and I can afford it, and I have a willing participant, so I do it.
Now, in fact, that is not my life - I'm just presenting an alternative scenario to poor rich lonely guy who has to pay for company while the world laughs at him. Because that type of guy is not the only guy who plays this game, not by a long shot.
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Hmmm It appears I tapped into some touchy terrain.
Not touchy at all with me, Sonic. Just presenting a viable scenario that doesn't fit in well with what I understand are your conclusions. Such is the nature of debate. :)
"Live and let live" is good.
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Hi everybody. My little opinion - I don't have sugar daddies. Hell, I think club regulars are too high maintenance (I have commitment issues) - I can't keep a customer for more than a couple of weeks (please, nobody even say that I'm boring). Anyway, I don't really like being a "girlfriend", even on an amateur basis. I must say though, that I don't see how paying for attention, companionship, amusement or sex in any permutation or combination is any different on a moral or "patheticness" level (pathos level? does that sound right?) whether it is inside or outside of a club. Whether they are fooling anyone may not be the issue - does any guy in the club think that he is "fooling" anyone, and that the chick is at his table just because he is handsome and funny? (Present company excluded, of course. I'm sure you are wildly handsome, and have strippers hanging off the end of your words). Same thing - just, you know, overtime.
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Well as I have said I'm referring to a full time Sugar Daddy outside of the SC setting.
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Hi everybody. My little opinion - I don't have sugar daddies. Hell, I think club regulars are too high maintenance (I have commitment issues) - I can't keep a customer for more than a couple of weeks (please, nobody even say that I'm boring). Anyway, I don't really like being a "girlfriend", even on an amateur basis. I must say though, that I don't see how paying for attention, companionship, amusement or sex in any permutation or combination is any different on a moral or "patheticness" level (pathos level? does that sound right?) whether it is inside or outside of a club. Whether they are fooling anyone may not be the issue - does any guy in the club think that he is "fooling" anyone, and that the chick is at his table just because he is handsome and funny? (Present company excluded, of course. I'm sure you are wildly handsome, and have strippers hanging off the end of your words). Same thing - just, you know, overtime.
I agree.
Time runs out realistically for just about everything. I don't see any harm in it as long as it's done properly.
I think Sonic's point is that he doesn't understand why a man just wouldn't go out and find a date with a regular woman.
Why settle for a diamond when you can have a ruby?
A suga daddy relationship is everything that a complex person wants. No attachments, no emotions, and simply no questions. Maybe that's not realistic for some but in this type of relationship it's very realistic. All 'perfect situations' do come at a price, and that's when we go back to the 'suga daddy' reference.
You find an attractive woman that gives you different joys that you can't find in other places. You treat her well, dine her, and basically take care of her. She's at your beckon call, and you can take your 'relationship' wherever you want without the attachments or fears.
If you're looking for love, It's a bad idea. But if you're just looking for fun, It seems to be the right ship to take.
Along with SusanW, I ponder sometimes if my EX is my 'suga daddy'....We're no longer together but he bought us a new house, bought me a car, pays for dinners, pays the bills, and gives me money anytime I need/want it. I figure I must be doing something right though ;)
But I understand your point of reasoning, Sonic....Somewhat.
Different strokes for different folks, my friend.
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The guy who gets a woman because she genuinely likes him,enjoys his company,wants to have sex with him due to mutual attraction of him and not his checkbook is the man I admire more.
Well, anybody who thinks a woman "genuinely likes him,enjoys his company,wants to have sex with him due to mutual attraction of him and not his checkbook" is just....... Oh, nevermind, you'll find out soon enough.::)
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[QUOTE=Silverback]
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The guy who gets a woman because she genuinely likes him,enjoys his company,wants to have sex with him due to mutual attraction of him and not his checkbook is the man I admire more.QUOTE]
Well, anybody who thinks a woman "genuinely likes him,enjoys his company,wants to have sex with him due to mutual attraction of him and not his checkbook" is just....... Oh, nevermind, you'll find out soon enough.::)
LMAO! I'm 39 yrs old. If I haven't found out yet... ::) Am I to understand that no one else here thinks that people will be around you just because you have a value for value connection? Meaning shared interests,attraction. etc. Now that I think about it,You have just insulted woman.So a woman is only going to be around a man because of the aformentioned things {Checkbook etc.}? Alot of woman perhaps.All ? don't think so ;) . It's been tried and tested way too many times in my life.:P Again,please keep in mind I'm refering to Sugar Daddies outside of a SC setting.
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I don't know Jay.I'm into minding my own biz and not judging anyone,but to have to pay anyone to talk to me or give me lip service {And I don't mean in a sexual way lol} just seems sad.Too many "Free" companions out there.Who want to spend time with you/me ,who ever because they like you,not cause you have to pay them.;)
::) Sonic, Dude. Listen you're way to naive. Woman couldn't possibly like you for you grow up! Yeah you're 39 so what? I think your an idiot myself. Get a clue my friend!;D
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I met my "friend" in my sc....he is one of the lonliest men ive ever met...our arrangement is this..he takes me shopping, nice dinner and drinks then i get a cab home...he basically pays to have a pretty date at his disposal...he thinks it makes him look better to clients and friends...in a few days he is moving and is letting me take over his 2,500 a month loft downtown...it benefits him though cause he doesnt want to break his lease at the same time he is buying a house(dont worry im still keeping my own place)...he is planning to fly my friends and I to Dallas to party cause he doesnt know anyone. I have a great time and the most we have ever done is a kiss on the cheek and hugs....i dont feel as if im really taking advantage of him cause he knows the deal and in my honest opinion he might have a hard time in the dating department due to looks....we dont talk everyday but he is a fun guy and i dont mind being a sort of rent a date...help this helps anyone(sorry for the length)
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Take it easy. It's just a discussion, and well-meaning people with different views will see things differently. Extreme defensiveness and quick counter-attacks can sure look like insecurity.
Some people can understand how sugar daddies happen and don't mind it a bit. Other people think it's pathetic and do mind it. And the world still continues turning.
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::) Sonic, Dude. Listen you're way to naive. Woman couldn't possibly like you for you grow up! Yeah you're 39 so what? I think your an idiot myself. Get a clue my friend!;D
Sonic, you seem to be of two minds about this. Don't be so hard on yourself. :-\
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Sonic, you seem to be of two minds about this. Don't be so hard on yourself. :-\
Hehe to quote an album title. "You're never alone with a schizophrenic". Again just playing.;D
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Ah, I see this beloved thread strikes again...
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If one shoves enough money in the wrong gals face, or enough pussy in the wrong guys face, weird things tend to happen.
exactly. a SD deal can go bad because the guy isn't being completely candid by trying to be a "nice guy" or he assumes that she realizes that this is strictly an ass-for-cash deal and not the movie "Pretty Woman" or the woman assumes that he's paying her just to be an arm trophy. in the end, no matter how awkward it may seem. it's important to lay out the exact details of the arrangement to the satisfaction of both parties before anything takes place. otherwise, it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that there is bound to some misunderstanding about what is to be expected.
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Not only that, but for me, my ego isn't stroked because some chick is ooohhing and aahhhing over my bank account. Hell, my dry cleaner can do that.
that's funny, but in some ways they like their egos stroked in the same manner as any other sc customer who likes his ego stroked. OTOH, in other ways, it's far more different type of ego stroke. one of the reasons why some guys strictly choose strippers or other women (a la craig's list's, etc) explicitly for this type of activity and others is because their emotional barriers and defenses are less guarded, more vulnerable and accessible compared to other sex workers and that, in and of itself, can be very appealing.
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Although, I do wonder if sugar daddies put themselves into the poor house or endanger their financial stability with this sort of thing.
probably,IMO, no more or no less than the customer who believes that he's "special". any customer working under the impression of a false sense of intimacy will usually spew cash like a vegas slot machine.
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See I don't view a customer/dancer type situation as the man being a "Sugar Daddy". I'm referrig to the situations where a man "keeps" a woman on the payroll to have sex with him,date,go out in public as his "girlfriend" etc.
what's the difference between the two? aren't they both in essence commercial transactions? i think you're confusing a commercially based relationship with a civilian-type relationship like a wife or a girlfriend. the former is based on expediency rather than any intimate attachment that is indicative of the latter.
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If a man pays too keep a woman through the use of financial means and she otherwise would not date him,or spend time with him,or have sex with him.That man is delusional and for my money still a pathetic loser.
a commercial relationship. BTW, you might as well throw the SC "Sugar Daddy" or any other sc customer in there as well. unless, you think a stripper is sitting with customers for any reason other than a financial one. a lot of guys spend money on strippers for the very reasons you mentioned above.
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The guy who gets a woman because she genuinely likes him,enjoys his company,wants to have sex with him due to mutual attraction of him and not his checkbook is the man I admire more.
a civilian-type relationship which is quite different from a commercial one. on a side note, a lot of guys, under the impression of being "special" customers, spend money on strippers inside of a sc because he is working under the delusion which you described. in short, he confuses a commercial relationship with a civilian one. it happens inside as well as outside of a sc.
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Whether they are fooling anyone may not be the issue - does any guy in the club think that he is "fooling" anyone, and that the chick is at his table just because he is handsome and funny?
i don't think that's an issue either. most of the guys that i know who are into the whole arm candy thing. it more about making themselves look good more than anything else.
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I met my "friend" in my sc....he is one of the lonliest men ive ever met...our arrangement is this..he takes me shopping, nice dinner and drinks then i get a cab home...he basically pays to have a pretty date at his disposal...he thinks it makes him look better to clients and friends
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i dont feel as if im really taking advantage of him cause he knows the deal and in my honest opinion he might have a hard time in the dating department due to looks....
so, i have to ask the question. has he ever asked you to sleep with him? if not, do you think he wants to sleep with you?