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Had a Custy arrested tonight !
I filled in for half a shift this evening because my manager was shorthanded and called to see if I and some other dancers could help out. I was pretty slow as is usual for a Monday but we had this one guy who was bugging several of the dancers for extras. He wasn't tipping anyone including the bartender and wasn't buying dances either. I got angry watching all of this and decided to do something about it.
I went to my manager and asked his advice on the matter and he suggested that I let one of our bouncer know because he is a cop and works a shifts with us every week. So I go tell the bouncer what is going on and he suggests I go sit next to this custy at the bar and he would sit down near by so he could hear what went on. He was so slick too }:D He took off his jacket and FBI style earpiece and ordered a coke so he looked like any other custy unless one knew him.
Sure enough the custy starts asking me for sex after the club closed and offered me $500. And what do you know the bouncer escorted him out of the club and had him arrested !!!! The manager let me watch the guy get cuffed as a reward for bringing the guy to his attention and then bought me a drink as an extra thankyou since these kinds of customers can get a club shut down.
It was AWESOME so I tipped the bouncer an extra $20 tonight and told the manager that he can count on me to help out when he is short on dancers in the future. I only walked with $220 but it was still one of the best nights I have had due to this little event 8)
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Wow. I wish more clubs would be like that... where do you work?
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it's cool you tipped out the bouncer, he earned that one for sure
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that was very cool of you and the bouncer oh i wish i coulda been there with you to hear that cold metal snap around his wrists lol
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Again if a guy wants extras then he should go to a specific place that provides them.
Poor guy..all delusional.. thinking that stuff should happen there or anywhere with a dancer..we are an amusment park with rides and nakedness. No one takes a rollercoaster home? He deserved it.
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cool bouncer guy - seems like a pretty decent club :)
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Nice going, Laura!
My oh my. What a damper this puts on the "business model" advocated by customers who argue online in support of extras as if they're simple free-market entrepreneurship. The "just accept it, ladies" guys. Poor babies.
Bwahahaha. :rotfl:
-Ev
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Rock the fuck ON!
As more managers turn a blind eye in order to counteract declining business, it's good to see someone in this business with some integrity. Even if it's only because he's afraid of getting the club shut down, at least the arrested douchebag won't go around telling others (online or in person) that your club is known for extras.
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Heh, I'm betting he'll be doing alot of bulshit talk for spite.
But oh wouldn't it be nice if more of this happened. I'm with Lena. Where do you work???
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A simple kick out would have done the job.
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I'm in mixed minds about this...
If a man walks into a sweater shop and asks for an ice-cream, that doesn't make the premises a dairy (ok, shit analogy, but you see where I'm going with this). I just can't see how a customer asking for sex in your club can threaten it with closure UNLESS the girls themselves are encouraging it. You can't close a club on tell-tale, you need evidence.
Stupid dumbass customers who ask for extras should be kicked out, banned even, but arrested?! I think that was pretty tough, especially as he had no warning that this would be the consequences.
On the other hand, if customers KNOW that they will get arrested with consistent harassment of dancers, then it will discourage punters looking for extras in the future, or at least reduce them.
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I agree that the club can't get in trouble just because a guy is asking girls for sex. However I'm sure the manager's concern is that someone may take him up on his offer.
I see guys on this and other sites posting "every girl has her price" crap all the time and it makes me ill. I know enough dancers to know that this simply is not the case. However, to ignore the fact that some women will go home with a guy who is waving $500 at them is not being realistic either.
Anyway, just kicking the guy out will get rid of the problem at one club for one night but it won't stop him from driving to another club and trying the same thing. Arresting him will make him think twice the next time he wants sex. Maybe he'll do the sensible thing and find an escort service.
I applaud LL, her manager, and the Bouncer for handling the situation in a manner that will, in the long run, help other clean dancers in other clubs.
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I know having the guy arrested by seem a little over the top, but the fact of the matter is that he made a specific and explicit offer to pay cash for sex, which is an arrestable offense. He got the same treatment he would have received had he done this to an undercover cop posing as a streetwalker, and deserved no less.
As far as how management treated the situation, I think their decision was rather easy considering the guy was being a total nuissance to everyone, and wasn't doling out any monetary compensation for the trouble he was causing. I wonder if this situation would have played out somewhat differently had the culprit been a big spender, who knew that strict accordance of the rules tend to be waived for those who grease enough palms.
Nonetheless, LL encountered an unpleasant situation and knew that there was something she could do about it. Good for her.
:great:
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Doc: Good point about the big spender syndrome. A buddy of the owner at one of the clubs I go to used to show up with a limo on a weekend night looking for a dancer to accompany him to a casino a few hours away. He would tell the owner which girl he was interested in and the owner would call the girl over and give her the option of leaving with prince charming and his chariot or finishing her shift. Of course, at any other time, leaving the club with a customer in the middle of your shift would be a firing offense....
Sorry dude, but Eva already promised to marry ME!:duel:
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For those who asked about the club, it's The Men's Club.
Also it wasn't my idea to have him arrested (though I loved it) it was management's. I didn't even know that was going to happen until my manager called me off the floor to see it. I just wanted the custy dealt with because the guy was being a nuisance.
Wow, Yoda that manager was being very stupid legally. I am pretty sure his actions would be the equivalent of a pimp in any court of law.
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No, I don't ask for extras, and I certainly wouldn't offer money for sex. It goes against my grain, and besides, it's a criminal offense.
But I agree it's overkill. The management could have come up to the guy, phone in hand, and said, "I'm five seconds away from calling the cops for solicitation. Beat it and don't come back again."
Now we've potentially got a guy with a ruined life, a family (wife? kids?) with huge trauma, and enough fresh meat for a feeding frenzy of gossip in town at his expense. Out of proportion.
It's a felony to carry false identification. Do we want to make a convicted felon out of a college student who's trying to get a drink while he or she is underage? We could, but is that what we want to do? Is that the best way to address the issue? Can't we just spank him and move on?
I don't feel sorry for the guy. If you can't do the time, etc. But the probable consequences are out of proportion for the offense, and excuse me if I don't cheer.
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Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
Its overkill IMO.
Every customer reading this post runs the same risk as this guy did.
Cmon custys,have ya ever asked for an extra???
Should you have been arrested for it??
I can see (and share) your skepticism, really. I also see that you might think it is overkill. However. Soliciting for the purposes of prostitution is, in fact, illegal in most places. If performing illegal acts is not a reason to arrest someone, what criteria would you use?
This reminds me of the thread in which we discussed tipping and social contracts, etc. You think that because customers do it all the time that it is part of the social contract of strip clubs. LL is arguing that perception is one-sided and inaccurate - that maybe customers don't get to unilaterally decide this contract.
I doubt his life will be ruined, charges will probably not be pressed, and the "johns" get off notoriously easy in these cases anyway. If he is in fact married, he can't viably blame random dancers because his wife gets all unreasonable about him trying to fuck other women for money.
And if your contention is true, that the dancers/management etc. would not have taken the situation so seriously if he had tipped... well, there you go then. Enough said.
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Originally Posted by LauraLove
If the custy has trouble with his job or family because of this, too bad. He should have thought of that before he propositioned just about ever dancer working last night. It's not my fault if he suffers because of HIS OWN ACTIONS.
Right on. If he thought that the risk associated with illegal activity was worth the $500 sex, he deserved to be punished by law. Just because it doesn't happen all the time (or for that matter, very often at all), doesn't mean it shouldn't. If he didn't care enough about his personal/professional life, why should anyone else??
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My take on this is that it seems like the arrest was an excessive response, though a legally/technically correct one, because there is the appearance that this particular guy was singled out for unusually strict enforcement of the anti-solicitation laws. It seems unlikely that anyone would want this bouncer/cop arresting people in the club whenever it was legally possible to do so. In most clubs in most jurisdictions, this could easily result in arrests of dancers, managers, bartenders, bouncers etc as well as many customers on a regular basis. And, such a policy would soon have most clubs closed, either by legal action of local authorities or for lack of customers.
So, one is left wondering why this particular poorly behaved customer ended up being the one led away in handcuffs. This portion of the original post
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Originally Posted by LauraLove
we had this one guy who was bugging several of the dancers for extras. He wasn't tipping anyone including the bartender and wasn't buying dances either.
(Boldface added.)
has to make one wonder if the results would have been the same had the guy been spending money as well as soliciting. Would LL still have taken the problem to management? Would the manager's response have been the same? Would the bouncer/cop's approach changed?
But of course it might have been something else; a lot of details have to be left out to tell such a story. Maybe the guy was unusually poorly behaved, blatant and persistent in his solicitations or maybe he gave the bouncer/cop a lot of grief when he was "caught" (which, in general, is an excellent way to get arrested when the officer involved would have otherwise "let you off with a warning") or maybe someone was trying to impress someone and just took this guy as an opportunity to do so.
Anyway, while I agree that the guy may not deserve any/much sympathy, I also don't see this event as much cause for celebraton or approval, if for no other reason, because if customer arrests became common for technically illegal behavior in strip clubs, I suspect that it would have the good effect (from some people's perspectives) of improving customer behavior a lot only at the cost of a huge decrease in the number of customers. This is not because most, or even many, customers come to strip clubs to solicit prostitution or otherwise violate the law but rather because it would not make for a comfortable atmosphere at all if one felt that all one's actions and conversations were being monitoted by undercover cops. Few would enjoy that atmosphere, I suspect, even if doing nothing wrong themselves.
-Ww
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This would never had occurred in Texas, no way.
The vengeful part of me thinks its badass, the other part of me is concerned about the semi-fascist aspects of what occurred.
But ultimately, its pretty obvious that if the customer had used any discretion, this would not have happened. He got arrested for not having clue. Dancers get arrested in raids when they shake an undercover's hand. He'll get a slap on the wrist, no worries.
This incident isn't going to change anything anywhere.
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I'm no attorney and don't even play one on TV (or the net), but it is an unfortunate fact of our current legal system that the guy could cause LL (or the bouncer, manager, club) truly enormous hassles and considerable expenses by filing lawsuits against her (them) even if they were poorly founded and ultimately unsuccessful. In other words, you don't have to have "a good case" to sue and force the other party to spend the time, energy and money to defend themselves. It only has to be good enough to not be considered patently absurd on its "face" by a judge who could then throw it out as "frivilous" without further deliberations.
Most likely, imo, this guy will want to get the whole business behind him asap and would not want to spend his own time, energy and money on legal actions anyway, so I don't think such a "revenge lawsuit" is likely, but it is possible.
-Ww
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How can he sue when he admitted to the crime and I did nothing but ask him for a dance ?
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Originally Posted by LauraLove
How can he sue when he admitted to the crime and I did nothing but ask him for a dance ?
He can lie about his admission (or claim that the bouncer/cop intimidated him into it) and about what you said and/or did. People lie for much less reason than this.
-Ww
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Originally Posted by Wwanderer
Most likely, imo, this guy will want to get the whole business behind him asap and would not want to spend his own time, energy and money on legal actions anyway, so I don't think such a "revenge lawsuit" is likely, but it is possible.
-Ww
I agree he will probably want to put this behind him.
I also agree with the "it is possible"part.
The stripper might not have thought about it,the doorguy (a cop who would know!)might not have thought about it,but the Mgr should have known.
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True he could lie.
But well, if I get sued over this, I'll sue someone back. I don't think it was unreasonable for me to follow the advice of a police officer even if he was off duty.
But really I am not worried about it and I don't think I did anything wrong either . There wasa problem with the custy harrassing us dancers and I did the right thing by going to managment to solve the problem and yes I'd do it again too.
I know I was in the right and the custy was in the wrong. And that is that !