Hi
should i just be a smartass and suggest "well after i dance all over you , you can go home and fininsh the job yourself!!!"}:D
if theyre going to be that blatant, why shouldnt I.
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Hi
should i just be a smartass and suggest "well after i dance all over you , you can go home and fininsh the job yourself!!!"}:D
if theyre going to be that blatant, why shouldnt I.
Hrmmm, I'd try another club - and also keep eye on seeing if the other dancers are getting dances with the guys who just refused them with you. Might be your coworkers ARE getting them off. <- my friend works in a place where almost every guy cums during the dance[s], they even leave out condoms so as to not make a mess in their pants. In everywhere I've worked, I've tried to avoid that particular outcome.
If this only happens rarely, I'd say "sorry, honey, but it /is/ just a dance" and move on to the next guy.
Think this will get a better response in the Hustle Hut...so I'm moving it there. ;)
thank you, I wil consider these things.
alot of times, these guys want to get to spend time with a dancer and not pay for anything or just sit and look. Ill be nice to them anyway, I dont take it personally.
Our club is high contact.
I'm a big advocate of never putting people down, even the jerks, because ultimately the jerks still have money. At that point, I look at it as an even bigger game of getting their money. If someone makes you truly uncomforable, then by all means, go to the next guy, but if the guy is just being a jerk like in this case, go on at take his money! In any type of deal or negotiation, it's best to deal with the resistance rather than just insult the guy. A good answer in this case is to promote yourself to a point to where you become more desireable than just being "satisfied".
I don't care how dumb these guys play to be, they know the game. They know that by going into a club, they are there to spend money for dances. PERIOD. Now, this being established, and you know that he knows this, why would he give you this answer? The primary reason is because he's looking for sex in your club. So let's work with this issue. Are there many, or any girls for that matter in your club that are willing to do this? Is your club known as an "extras" club? If so, then I'd suggest you move on, or even to another club. If not, then he's fishing in the wrong pond and it needs to be pointed out. A good response would be, "Well, you did come into a STRIP club, and there aren't any girls in here who are willing to 'satisfy' you, so let's talk for a minute" and then close the deal.
To get back to my original point, promote yourself and don't even deal with the sex part. Just say, "Would you like to have some real excitement tonight? Good, because I'm the best dancer in here by far, and I can tell you that when you buy one, or two, or even three dances from me, you'll be more satisfied than you ever have been in your life with your pants on." The reason you ask the first question here is because, after all, who WOULDN'T want to have more excitement in their life, right? Make him say yes to this question before you continue. This will help elude to the sale in the next thing you will say. Of course there is always a breaking point and if this loser keeps it up, my suggestion is you don't want the riff-raff in there anyway. Go tell a manager or a bouncer that this guy is soliciting for prostitutes and have him thrown out on his butt. The more guys you have like this in your club that everyone is willing to tolerate, the worse your club is going to degrade. So if he's willing to eventually buy a dance, awesome, if not, get him out of there as he's taking up space for a customer who will.
say.. Ill give you something to think about later on in a sexy voice.. and "i want you" eyes.
If he doesnt pick up on that.. just leave him alone.. He is there for sex. Just tell him he wont find what he is looking for there.
I wouldn't waste time on jerks unless there just is no one else in the club. They will dampen if not ruin your mood and they take energy away from you that could be better invested on paying customers.
I know you, Sinn. This might work for you, I think you can pull it off. It's a good way to say what you mentioned in your first post, while retaining the class demeanor that you definitely have.Quote:
Originally Posted by tampafldancer
You do deserve better than that place, unless maybe it starts living up to it's potential. Are they playing your music for you, at least? Hang in there, girl, Race Week is coming soon, and you know you'll kick ass then...
For those who may not know, this town is unfortunately filled with a lot of broke, arrogant losers who will sit there and try to get as much attention and free show as possible. They are mostly young, but do come in all shapes, sizes, and ages. It is also unfortunately a very high-contact town. Management is not sympathetic to dancers here, though it might be somewhat better in this club--I left before they were open, and have only visited briefly since then.
Just remember what I have always told you--you have tremendous potential, more than you know. You still haven't reached it yet, though you are doing very well indeed, and that is most definitely a compliment. Remember to use that walk and that smile of yours...enigmatic and ever so alluring...even if most of those cretins are too dense to appreciate it.
Don't worry about them - there's nothing you can do about being rejected, it happens to everybody, and whether they buy from other girls or not, you can't make them buy from you. Just do your job, go out and work, and shake off the "no's" regardless of how they are couched.
I like Tampa's reply--"I'll give you something to think about when you get home." If it's still no, politely move on to the next customer, because either that guy is cheap or he has a specific type that you don't fit (not all guys want a girl, any girl, as long as she's beautiful), and he's obviously not worth one more second of your time.
Okay now, back to reality...Quote:
Originally Posted by DancerWealth
The sad fact is that even in the most "upscale" clubs, there WILL be someone there willing to "satisfy" the guy. And these guys, the ones that "know the deal", will make it their mission to find her (or, in many cases, one of them) and get "satisfied" for as little money as possible.
Also, managers and bouncers just do not give a fuck anymore, for the most part. They just want the guys in there spending money and drinking; they don't seem to care how they spend it anymore.
These are just observations based on my own experiences, and the clubs that I've worked at are typically low to medium contact.
Sinn one of the best things you could do know, is see if any of these guys have been there before. If so, what dancer are they buying from, that will tell a story.
And as Nina says, you have these guys in every club, and it only seems to get worse. So, i think someone has "satisfied" him before, either in you're club or another, and he expects it now. They will look, if they don't find it in you're club they move to another, it's that simple.
PS the best you or any clean dancer can do is use her best skills, and come back again soon to check on him if he is still alone. Then let it go.
Sad but true. :-\
Pamela
...Never left reality Nina. :) I know there are many clubs where management doesn't give a damn about the dancer. That much is obvious as I've seen it first-hand. Ultimately though, even the moronic managers wisen up to the fact that when the club is closed because of law enforcement, they don't get paid. In clubs such as the aforementioned, my suggestion is to yell it from the loudest mountain. Don't pull a manager aside and say "psst. that guy over there is hitting on me" as everyone knows you'll get lauhed at. The best approach is to make it public. Pull him right in the middle of the club and say, "THAT GUY OVER THERE...THE ONE IN THE RED SHIRT AND JEANS WITH THE BROWN HAIR IS TRYING TO PICK UP PROSTITUTES IN HERE." Not only does it humiliate the hell out of the customer, but it verbally puts the management on notice that you're sick of this crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by NinaDaisy
Keep in mind that the reason these clubs have so many loser customers is because the clubs let it happen. It all comes down to choices. Sure by doing my method you may be fired from the club, and then you need to ask yourself is this really a club you want to work at where every other customer is expecting you to have sex with him for $20. There is an old Chinese saying, "There is no right or wrong, there are only consequences". If nobody is willing to step up to the plate and do somethin about these idiots, then hey....
ND can speak for herself, of course, but I think that the departure from reality she had in mind was your suggestion that a dancer tell a customer that none of the dancers in the club will "satisfy" him. In many, maybe even most, cases this is untrue, and the customer knows it perfectly well. So, saying something like that could certainly make a dancer look less credible, or even silly, in the customer's eyes...though perhaps that doesn't matter if she is not going to be doing business with him anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by DancerWealth
-Ww
Good point Wanderer and perhaps I misunderstood her. That being said, she's right. Unfortunately in the majority of clubs, there are always one or more women willing to do extra services which of course makes it more difficult for the rest of them. True or not though, there's still nothing wrong with saying it to the customer. There's nothing wrong with taking a slightly moral high-ground in a room where so many others are willing to stoop to the lowest common denominator just to make a few bucks. I have friends that work in sales that do whatever it takes or will promise the moon to make a deal. Although I can use the same techniques they do when I work in similar environments I don't, and I know I sleep a lot better at night because of it.
It can be very difficult to deal with working in clubs where extras are available, and as has been pointed out, this now means almost any club, anywhere, though the percentage of dancers and the degree to which it is openly accepted (or demanded) still varies widely.Quote:
Originally Posted by DancerWealth
Daytona Beach, unfortunately, has got to be one of the toughest towns to work in, not just because extras are fairly common there--there are some clubs that are cleaner than your average club in, say, Houston or Detroit--but because it is very much a blue collar town. It is also a very superficial town, in which things like class or courtesy are held in little or even negative regard. In all my extensive travels across this country, I have never seen the battle between the sexes so vicious as it is here.
Nothing against blue collar people, my father is blue collar (except he reads a good deal more than the typical BC guy), but they don't have as much money to spend, especially in recent times. This, combined with the arrogant attitude all too commonly found in Daytona guys, makes for a very tough atmosphere in which to dance.
I have been to this club, though I never worked there. It does have a lot of potential, but desperately needs a good DJ, among other things. It is pretty slow, and doesn't attract many guys with big bucks. This will be one of the toughest places to "step up to the plate", though it beats hell out of that jackshack known as the Pink Pony, lol...
I have worked with Sinn, she is very much the kind of woman who can take that higher ground under trying conditions. She is, like my girlfriend, the kind of dancer who shines even amidst the sleaziest of customers and fellow workers. She, like Sinn, is toughing it out in a shitty club, but has recently been doing very well--because she has the will to persevere. So hang in there, Sinn--if anyone can stick to their guns, stay clean, and still make money, you can!
You do deserve a much better club than this, but I'm not sure it exists in Daytona, lol. How's Molly Browns these days? I know they won't play your music.
Some nights in these clubs are really hard to take--I have worked in a club like this and it was very, very wearing to deal with the sight of a beautiful woman dancing her heart out, to be ignored by white trash slobs who would insult her openly if she refused to agree to blow them. I think there are less extras in Sinn's club, but the clientele is not going to include a lot of gentlemen, to say the least. Management thus tends not to expect gentlemanly behavior. But I don't think she should give up yet, unless she can move to another city, perhaps.
Those of us who resist the conversion of stripclubs to houses of prostitution have our work cut out for us. Thats why I love this site, it has great potential to fight it.
You are absolutely right DJ. There really is a lot of fluctuation from club to club or city to city on how all these issues pan out. For example, here in Vegas, we just had the Crazy Horse II raided (again) and numerous arrests were made as usual. Those guys couldn't keep their nose clean with a box of wet-naps and they don't care one bit. On the other hand, Pleasures here in Vegas has a zero-tolerence policy on extra work and has six cameras in the VIP room to protect the dancers and customers alike from this nonsense. Two clubs, same city, much different philosophy on how to handle the prostitution issue. From city to city it's a lot also as you can compre the clubs in San Francisco to say, Salt Lake City (yes they have one there). Different surroundings, different clientelle, etc. all factor into this.
You should offer a special version of your seminar for sleazy clubs like in Daytona, lol...
Agreed with NinaD and Djoser. The high hustle and high tourist clientele turnover in Vegas make the stripclub experience much different than in other towns that have built up reputations for extras.
There were plenty of extras going on at Spearmint Rhino, despite the cameras, if the hosts hands were greased enough. There were plenty of offers for takeout as well. But the main areas of the clubs had the appearance of cleanliness. I hope you take a SC tour of the south sometimes DancerWealth. I hate to knock your advice because it is class act,but it need some regional modification.
I would be glad to show you how things work in Austin and Houston ;) New Orleans clubs are closer to Vegas clubs.
Regarding the client who requires satisfaction, Sinn dahlink, just move on. If they are particularly belligerant, then tell management, loudly. If not, don't waste time, keep hustling girl!
Sinn,
Guys say this a lot to me too. I work in LA in a club that is high-contact, but not necessarily extras, if that makes sense. Anyway, usually I bite my tongue from wanting to say "This is a strip club not a brothel, you don't go to the butcher to buy shoes, do you?!, Instead, I smile and politely say with a twinkle in my eye,
"Well you haven't tried one of MY dances." And if they say, with an implicating pervert-tone, "What does that mean exactly?" I say, "All my customers seem quite satisfied." Over half the time I'll get the dance, and then I will do my dance (NO EXTRAS), and smile sweetly at the end, like I think that must have been the most satisfying experience of his life. I know it's not what he was looking for. What do I care? I'm closer to my financial goal for the night and he's closer to blue-balls, that's his problem. The fact is, I'm never outright dishonest (anotherwords, I won't say I'll do something I won't), but the word 'satisy" means different things to different people. Most of my customers are "satisfied" even if they don't cum (like the pervert who says "I won't be satisfied" probably wants to do). So therefore, you just treat him like he must be the world's most shining example of a gentlemen. Kill them with kindness. It catches them off-gaurd a lot of the time, and if he walks off grumpy thinking you're a prick-tease, well, he's probably not on your Christmas card list anyway, so, keep on rollin'. }:D
Sinn, and Djoser...what town are you speaking of specifically caus eif you do not mind I don't mind avoiding it...2nd, Sinn, I went through a similar situation at a joint in Phoenix..."Bailey's Platinum Club" out on the west end of town on Grand Ave...anyway I went through this and my fiance and two of his training partners/boys were the security and head of security there...it can happen anywhere...as mentioned before by Pamela, watch these clowns and see who they VIP with, cause IMHO these are the girls that are willing to satisfy...and those are the people that are ruining it for you and me and 90% of the girls shakin' it for a living...it may not be worth the drama if most of the girls and managers/staff are in on the dirty hustle...so you might be better off going someplace else...or working for a private agency...back in the day I made REALLY good money with very low mileage doing private parties, etc...with really good security...just something to think about...but be careful cause many of those places are just overglorified outcall services...
Daytona Beach, Florida, the crab-infested crotch of the nation...
I generally avoid this because sometimes the guys get grabby and it's annoying, but I have employed it a few times against the more passive-aggressive pervs.Quote:
Originally Posted by dancerlala
I'll be the first to admit that if a guy is obnoxious about getting extras and I take his money without delivering, I have zero problem with that.
The real root of the problem is that a vast majority of men want sex with women they are attracted to. The more available it is, the more they want it.
So that takes us to strip clubs. Over the 90's clubs transitioned into gentlemen's clubs with champagne and VIP rooms and a more upscale facade. And of course these areas are somewhat or totally secluded. Club owners saw they could attract more spending in their clubs this way and at the beginning of the GC era which replaced the Go Go's, it was the in thing to do to visit one of these Neiman Marcus type "harems". Guys would pay to go in these overpriced private areas because it was the in thing to do and in many cases the customers could write off the cost on their expense accounts.
As the novelty of this wore off and laws started to be passed to stifle strip clubs, along with the slowdown in the economy and the religious freaks and family value types pressuring cities to shut down thes clubs, business began to drop and guys began to want more for their money (which they always wanted but never pushed in the club), club owners felt the pinch of high legal fees and high overheads for these grandiose clubs not being covered with the drop in business and less big spending customers as well as dancers feeling the pinch of less income so both the clubs and the dancers reacted by selling and offereing sex in the private areas.
Clubs now became a buyers market. Because of this over time guys realized that the thing to do in clubs now is to try to find girls who are hungry and negotiate for sex in lieu of dances.
The clubs created this monster because they tried to be too upscale.
What needs to happen is make the clubs a FUN place for guys to go. In order to do that the STAGE needs to be the focal point again, AND the DJ needs to constantly be pumping up the girls and pushing the tip rail, running dollar dances, dance specials, drink with dance specials, telling funny jokes, and keeping the club lively. Plus the girls need training in dealing with customers.
Most strip clubs today are BORING. The DJ doesn't talk up for the girls, and the dancers are still focused on getting guys to spend big money as the did in the 90's for what the customer now deems a waste of money. Most DJ's aren't worth a damn, as they don't keep the guys hyped up to tip and buy dances, and most dancers are less than enthusiastic since it takes skill instead of going through the motions to make a sale.
Clubs have got to be more of a party atmosphere and instead of focusing on big money make sure all the guys feel obligated to tip on stage, and buy dollar and table dances.
As one of our male members said, he goes to a club for fun and just to kick back for a few hours.
Clubs should ALL be run so that customers know that a strip club is a place to tip on stage, have a couple of drinks, and buy table dances from a variety of ladies and not a place where they have to blow hundreds of dollars for "nothing".
And owners have discovered that working as many girls as can pay to work will make them the bulk of their profits. Inexperienced young dancers are still clinging to the notion that "tonight will be their big night", when in reality the 90's income they think is possible for them to earn is only made by a fraction of girls each night or week.
Now that guys have to spend their own money in clubs, the clubs have go to be converted back into a fun party atmosphere. A place that doesn't cost an arm and a leg, where the dancers can make money off of volume and not having to find a big spender.
Until that transition of making the club a place of momentum and fun is made more and more guys will reject dances for a girl who will get them off for the lowest cost, or spend a chunk of money on dancers in the beginning hoping that the dancer will have an out of club liason with them and when it doesn't happen, stop coming in.
Over the next 5 years, more and more dancers will start giving up on paying to work, seeing it harder and harder to make money, and the clubowners won't be able to survive on house fees.
Then what will happen? :-\