Re: Is stripping really SEX?
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Originally Posted by VenusGoddess
Isn't it funny how us strippers are looked down on for showing our bodies in the "privacy" of a club...but, a movie star who stimulates sex scenes on the big screen or takes her clothes off and stands buck naked in front of the camera for millions of people to see is respected in her "art form"?
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It is an artform if all a dancer does is dance - that's called burlesque or in France it's a Cabere, or in Vegas it's the latest Circus Sole multi artistic high budget extravaganza that everyone and their grandmother is rushing to see -- but as soon as you start making contact - riding in a man's lap with the sole purpose to arouse him -- you have crossed into a nether region that leaves the interpretation of what you are up to an individual's tolerence level.
Why would a dancer ever assume that a soccer mom should understand that what they do is a legit form of employment when she has to use an extra does of Clorox to get the stains from his undies after a night out with the boys at a good ol' SC?
The female form is beautiful and there is nothing wrong with nudity in my eyes - but how many SC's would there be in the US if all the girls did was actually stand on a stage and dance to entertain? There's touching for a reason and both parties know exactly why.
Re: Is stripping really SEX?
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Originally Posted by BFinTraining
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Dancers need to understand this so they can understand their SO's moods when they speak of the regular who paid for 30 dances in a row.
If you believe it or not i know it sounds unbelieveble but it really happend to me
one customer spended 30 dances with me on one night... i didn't took of my clothes all i had to do was playing with my fingers on his nipples that was so borring, but i kept going because i thought about my money .... also he liked to suck my big toes that's so discusting bah! anyway i got my 30 dances
Re: Is stripping really SEX?
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Originally Posted by VenusGoddess
Isn't it funny how us strippers are looked down on for showing our bodies in the "privacy" of a club...but, a movie star who stimulates sex scenes on the big screen or takes her clothes off and stands buck naked in front of the camera for millions of people to see is respected in her "art form"?
Yes you can read my mind!!! exactly! and think about all the kissing and bed scenes with all different actors ;)
Re: Is stripping really SEX?
Stripping isnt sex, but its sexuality. We sell the idea of sexuality. Unfortunately, the art of strip tease has changed a lot... you get more and more girls who keep upping the extras, and people who do not agree with what we do start talking a lot of garbage... so the stereotypes form and we are viewed as SEX and not SEXUALITY. I personally slot us in the Adult Entertainment Industry... along with features, burlesque performers, adult film starts, fetish models, Pro Dom/mes, etc....
Re: Is stripping really SEX?
Stripping is not sex. If you haven't been to places where there's a highly visible amount of prostitutes, you might consider some cute girl in a spandex costume dancing as "sex." Yes, men get aroused from seeing dancers, or getting lapdances, but they also get aroused if they see hot women on TV. Sometimes they get erections for no reason......it's subjective and also nonsensical sometimes.....
If my dancing was sex, I'd never have low-dollar nights. I am selling visual entertainment and chitchat.
Re: Is stripping really SEX?
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Originally Posted by Casual Observer
People don't like to hear it, but regardless of the means or terms of renumeration, men always pay for sex. Always. It's not good or bad, it just is.
Sorry to disagree, but though for the majority of men in America what you say is pretty much true, the "always" part is bullshit. Certainly from my experience it is.
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Contact work is a fuzzy area in my opinion and depending on the mileage I would have to put it in the sex work catagory because of the boob grabing and rubbing of the customers dick through laps...but old fashioned stripping is not sex work to me, it is adult themed entertainment.
There is without question a grey area where very high-contact laps are concerned. My girlfriend put it very well when she defined it as being quasi-prostitutional. But this would only apply to situations where the guy is getting ground on pretty thoroughly and feeling the breasts and ass of the dancer, if not more.
If you have a situation where guys are possibly going to come from having their dicks ground upon, they at least would have attained a sexual release, so they could easily feel like they have had a form of sex. The fact that it almost invariably does nothing for the dancer could easily mean that she sure as shit hasn't had sex, lol.
Naturally, since it's a big, wild world we live in, there are going to be occasions when a dancer will enjoy herself with a customer, and possibly even get off herself--though the latter is exceedingly rare. In my mind, she would then be having a sexual experience. But these idiots who claim to get dancers off on any kind of regular basis--especially by pulling their hair while wearing sweatpants, and without paying for it--are so far out there in Disneyland it's comical.
Stripping per se is not inherently a sexual act for the woman, but is more accurately defined as being erotic. The fact that some guys will get worked up about it need have no effect whatsoever upon the woman dancing, other than to possibly make it more profitable for her.
Re: Is stripping really SEX?
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Originally Posted by Djoser
Sorry to disagree, but though for the majority of men in America what you say is pretty much true, the "always" part is bullshit. Certainly from my experience it is.
There is without question a grey area where very high-contact laps are concerned. My girlfriend put it very well when she defined it as being quasi-prostitutional. But this would only apply to situations where the guy is getting ground on pretty thoroughly and feeling the breasts and ass of the dancer, if not more.
If you have a situation where guys are possibly going to come from having their dicks ground upon, they at least would have attained a sexual release, so they could easily feel like they have had a form of sex. The fact that it almost invariably does nothing for the dancer could easily mean that she sure as shit hasn't had sex, lol.
Stripping per se is not inherently a sexual act for the woman, but is more accurately defined as being erotic. The fact that some guys will get worked up about it need have no effect whatsoever upon the woman dancing, other than to possibly make it more profitable for her.
How different is that than a woman faking it in a normal relationship? Both parties are not always in sync when the time is ripe. A caring GF will many times go for it to please her man, but she may not really be into it. If she gets him off how is that different than a dancer grinding a customer to completion - even if she didn't get off? Is the mere fact that she's dating one and not another change the descritpion of the final outcome?
And how many escorts do you think get off with every John? I would imagine they're as bored as any dancer after a long night. Symantics.
Re: Is stripping really SEX?
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Originally Posted by BFinTraining
...A caring GF will many times go for it to please her man, but she may not really be into it. If she gets him off how is that different than a dancer grinding a customer to completion...?
Because she cares about him as a lover, not as a paying customer.
There is a tremendous difference...
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Originally Posted by BFinTraining
And how many escorts do you think get off with every John? Symantics.
The number of escorts that get off with every john is of course infinitesimally small. But to dispute that the john is having sex would be absurd. Since the escort is presumeably in very direct, close contact with his genitals, I think we can assume she is a participant.
What point exactly are you trying to make by bringing up semantics?
Re: Is stripping really SEX?
IMO, and whenever there is occassion for me to "explain" what I do, I say that I work in the sex industry as an entertainer. If need be, I qualify that I am a stripper but do not have sex with customers (99% of the strips I do these days are thong strips anyway).
I explain the sex industry as a circle, with hard core porn stars and hookers in the middle, and everything else spiralling outward. I consider what I do on the outer rim, even though all my gigs are contact (I pick the ladies up, they rub oil on me and all that, but hardly no one touches my cock. There is a lot of dry humping and gyrating (me) ).
Is my analogy distorted or do I have it right?
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"While we're on the subject, if I go on a date with a guy.... he "wines and dines" me, takes me to a wonderful show or great club, we have a SUPER time, and at the end of the evening we end up making love.... that's totally different from him simply giving me $100 for a quickie, right? What if he buys me diamond earrings?....
...what if I'm a college student and he's "helping me with my tuition"?????"
wait wait wait....i don't know if i'm taking this out of context or not, but are you saying that just because some guy i'm dating and i have sex, if he's bought me anything before that he is paying for sex? if i have sexual relations with a man, it is because i love him very much. i wouldn't care if he had spent a penny on me, and i'm sure that the guy didn't spend money on me just to get sex. that's different from prostitution.
so far as stripping being the same as sex, well, clubs vary, but the style club I work in, there is a strict no touch policy, we are not completely nude, and there are no lap dances or anything of the sort. I can see calling it the adult entertainment business....because i wouldn't bring a 6 year old onto the scene, but sex? no....i do not personally consider it the sex industry.
people who advertise such establishments and magazines refer to it as the sex industry because sex sells. who doesn't want sex? it's a smart marketing technique, but it tends to give girls in a particular industry a bad rep.
take it or leave it is all i can say....incorrect nomenclature or not
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People don't like to hear it, but regardless of the means or terms of renumeration, men always pay for sex. Always. It's not good or bad, it just is.
I just HAD to respond. I can't tell you how many times I've said this to a guy and they have been adamant that they don't pay for sex in any way, shape or form.
I stand behind the above quote. Men always pay for sex in one way or another -- it isn't always monetary. There is the emotional currency that some women will and do use in a relationship in re: sex.
EDIT TO ADD: I just read Djoser's comments (as I posted this originally before reading them). I can understand his POV. It is all INTENT in the end. If the INTENT of the guy who is "wine-ing and dining you" is to "get you in the sack" then it isn't too different to him paying a hooker. On the other hand, if the INTENT of the guy is to "get to know you better and form an intimate relationship with you" then that is different and he isn't "paying for it". As "is" (the sex) is just the bonus not the goal.
Re: Is stripping really SEX?
Due to the nature of where I work mainly being a touching contact environment I very much include myself in the sex industry. Yet I am in agreement with Chat.... I'm mainly involved in the sex industry for adult entertainment purposes.
I even see LDs as a performance, in a way. It is entertainment of a different kind. It is more "sex" than what I do on stage.
At the same time, I agree with Paige:
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Stripping isnt sex, but its sexuality. We sell the idea of sexuality.
So I could even be called/labeled a sexual/erotic entertainer in the sex industry. Regardless, I have no illusions that I am not part of the sex industy "at large" (in the general 'umbrella' sense).
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