Re: Selling VIP Dances? How?
There's been lots of of threads on selling VIP/CR. However, I'm just as stumped as you are on how to sell one where the rules are exactly the same. You can try and sell the privacy aspect, some guys will go for that. You can also make it sound very exclusive, there will always be a few guys that just like to feel like a big shot. However, at a minimum, most guys are going to expect higher mileage in the CR, if you can't give that, you'll going to have a hard time selling. One thing I do know, you are smart not to promise more than you can/will deliver in order to get a guy in CR. That's most customer's No. 1 complaint.
Two thoughts I have:
FIrst, are other girls selling a lot of VIP dances? If so, perhaps they are not obeying the no nudity, no touching rules too strictly. And perhaps management is willing to look the other way for the extra ca$h.
Second, you didn't mention the pricing structure of the VIP rooms, just that the dances are more. Do the customers get the room for a certain period of time or just as long as he's buying dances. If the customer is buying the room for certain period of time, you might offer your time for a certain amount of money, rather than counting dances.
Re: Selling VIP Dances? How?
Well, the customer has two choices. He can buy the champagne (or just rent the room for $60), and buy a girl's time for half an hour ($100); OR he can buy the champagne (or just rent the room for $60) and buy dances at $20 a pop (which is a few dollars more than the regular dances). I don't see a lot of VIPs being sold. One girl did get lucky and made $600 in VIP. It was pure luck. I'm long, long overdue for such a lucky shift. In the meantime, I need advice on how to sell these VIPs. Thanks, Destiny, for your input. This is like being stuck between a rock and a hard place--there's only so much I can do.
Re: Selling VIP Dances? How?
I know I shouldn't try math, but here I go.
Okay, the VIP customer can either buy the dancer's time for $100/30 min. or pay her $20/song. Thirty minutes / 4 minute long song would be 7.5 songs. Lets round up to 8 dances in 30 minutes. 8 x $20 = $160. So if a customer is going to go to VIP, then buying the dancer's time for $100 is the better deal. You said that the $20 VIP dances were a few dollars more than dances on the main floor. So, let's say regular dances are $15 per dance. Then in that same 30 minutes, the customer would spend $120 ($15 per song times 8 songs) out on the main floor.
Dancer
So look at if from the dancer's perspective. Personally, unless the dancer is getting a cut from either the price of the champagne or the $60 for the VIP room, I see no reason for a girl to try and sell VIP. She can make $120 dancing for 30 minutes or she can get $100 for her time in VIP? Now, true, it's not often you would dance eight songs straight, and when you did you would probably spend some time before chatting the guy up and stuff. But still, what is the incentive to try and sell VIP? Since you seem to want to sell VIP, I know I must be missing something, but right now, without more info, I see no reason to bother with trying to sell VIP. /:O
Customer
For the customer, clearly dances on the floor are the better deal. He can get 30 minutes of dances for $120 ($15 per song x 8 songs). Or he can spend 33% more ($60 VIP + $100 for the dancer = $160) for the exact same dance in VIP? No wonder there are not many sold. There are always a certain number of customers that will want to feel like big shots and will go for the VIP. But there's not very many of those types. Most customers are not going to be willing to spend %33 more for the exact same dance that they can get on the main floor.
Sorry, I'm not much help.:(
Re: Selling VIP Dances? How?
Destiny--you got it! Good math skills. There are no incentives for the dancer whatsoever, except a guaranteed $100 for 30 mins. if that is what the gent chooses. Also, for the $100, the girl is taken off rotation for the stages. Thanks, gentlemen, for your input. Yes, the rules really are the same--crazy, isn't it? If even as much as our hair touches the customer, we will get a misdemeanor and the manager will get cited as well. After three citations, the manager will be listed as a sex offender. Talk about some hard-to-sell dances. I mean, I'm glad they don't allow grinding and breast-touching and stuff, but I would'nt mind doing a topless private dance or being able to touch the guy's knees or arms. Or drape my hair over them. Not being able to do simple touching like that is just ridiculous.
Re: Selling VIP Dances? How?
First if a customer is really into you, loves you're dances etc. He may want to have a drink and talk more openly with you in private. Yes you can still do you're dances in VIP you say, but no touching. He may get a hard-on and does not want this on the floor, he may have fantasy's in VIP, and want you to sit and share a few drinks with him. Talk dirty.
Alot can be done in VIP with no touching. Just get the customers to want to get off the floor and get more cozy/private with you.
Not sure how far you can go with dances, but take it all to the clubs limit!
Good luck,
Pamela
Re: Selling VIP Dances? How?
Well, by no nudity do you mean that you cannot take your panties off or that you cannot even remove your top off? If it's only your panties that you cannot take off, then there are ways around it. You don't have to just say dry: "the rules are the same" or "you get the same thing in VIP as when doing a dance". That really does sound like VIP has no value. But VIPs exist and that means they exist for reason and that reason is NOT extras. It is the privacy for further development of a beautiful fantasy--YOU. To sell VIP:
1. Consider your vocabulary! Use words: "secluded, intimate, luxurious(if it costs so much it is luxurious!!), naughty, erotic, hot spicy, playful". Say that VIP room is "like 10 times better than dance" Why? Because you are there alone, nobody is watching and only there you can give him the most erotic naughty dance of his night!! It is like your guys's private escape from all of these people and your private get away!!!
2. Do not ever say that it is the SAME. You know it is, but don't say it. By saying that you will give him erotic and naughty dance you by no means are implying that you will get fully nude. And by saying that it is an intimate and luxurious experience you are not promising anything. So you are not lying, but you make it sound real good.
3. If he asks you about extras say NO. Be honest about it. If he says that he's been to your club's VIPs and they are "nothing but bullshit", say that it depends on a girl a lot. And you are the type of girl to get him the best experience out there. If he says that "this is all about money", say that it is not always true. If you get a young guy to say "it's all about money", laugh and ask him to look around ( I work at a club with a bunch of old guys as custies) to see all the old guys you have to deal with. Say that he is a rare occasion and therefore, your only fun chance!!! If he is old, however and says that "it's all about money", say that it is so rare to find someone so interesting to talk to (because if you are discussing VIP, the probability is that you talked enough and established some kind of connection) You can also mention to him that same "cosmic connection" between you two that you both feel and that is so rare.
4. RELAX before convo, during convo and after convo ALWAYS stay relaxed!!! Always!!! Do not be afraid to talk to customers. Maybe he won't buy a dance, but he definitely won't be deducting money you have already earned. So go and talk to him!
5. DO NOT be afraid of asking about VIP. If he says no, that does not mean you are not pretty enough or hot enough or can't make VIPs in general. Please don't leave his table with thoughts about WHY he didn't want a dance or VIP from you. It will lower your mood, put you off good vibe, not let you talk to other guy and most importantly WILL NOT lead you to any logical or true answer!!! Move on!! Next! He is not the only guy there.
6. Always stay POSITIVE. At the end of the day (night I should say, LOL) why would not YOU make a VIP or enough dances? In this business you are selling YOU as a fantasy. Who/what can be better than YOU? What else can be better than your beauty, your hotness, your company, your youth?
7. Also, LIKE your customer. Sympathy with him He is probably wealthy, but lonely. Well-adjusted, but unhappy. He is there for attention and care. You are there to offer attention and care for money. And he knows it and more than willing to pay for service!! so use it.
Hope this helps.