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I dont think it makes a difference. You might feel more comfortable inside when your dancing for a bi/lesbian woman but either way as long as you look like your having fun and making it fun for her then it doesnt matter IMO.
You are missing something here. It makes no difference whether a girl is straight or gay because she will almost certainly NOT be attracted to the customer either way.
Well, this question can't really make sense, because if you're gay, you can't answer if it's easier to dance as a straight person because you're not straight (and vice versa).
Dancing is about creating fantasy. It doesn't matter whether you are bi or straight or whatever. If you are good at spinning the fantasy web, then you will be successful. It's the dancers who cannot "adapt" to the different customers and create that fantasy that do not do well.
What she said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jayln
Women don't go into dancing to meet hunky guys, only to meet their wallets.
I go to clubs alone now. I've spent too many years trying to explian to my buddys with broken hearts that, just becuse you did 40 LDs with that girl and she gave you her number and told you that you where different doesn't mean that you are anything more than an ATM to her. Too many men refuse to beleive that a woman can seperate a sexual act from an emotional one. Great actresses do it all the time.
Guy getting lapdance(thinking): "wow, she's hot, and she really seems into me!"
Woman giving lapdance(thinking): "Milk, bread, juice, yogurt, tampons...."
I don't think it matters at all. As a dancer you are an entertainer- just like an actor. We are all just characters playing a part.
It's easier to dance when you don't have to deal with idiot customers who think sexual orientation has anything to do with your job.
I 've always wondered this and thought it might be better to be a lesbian dancer i figure i wouldn't have to worry about finding a bf cause since i'd be a lesbian i wouldn't care what guys thought of me dancing.but thats me and i live in a small town where dancing is a big NO NO.
In the private scene YES. In the clubs as i answered already in the other thread, i often was asked if i was into women. Wonder if i said yes i would have sold more dances? Probably, because while i did ld's, guys ask me very personal questions.
Dunno actually. Seemed so.
Pamela
I worked with a few lesbian dancers. Of course they wouldn't ever tell the customers they were lesbians. Your statement about baggage made no sense Thorn. The "romantic" feelings a man gets when all the blood is downstairs is still all in HIS mind, HIS fantasy. The true intentions of the woman grinding his dick don't matter because its not like he's going to get a straight answer while the money is flowing.
Once again, your application of absolute ethics leads you nowhere in the strip club. The game is about profit maximization, sexual orientation has nothing to do with it.
Now I think being bisexual helps me enjoy my job more because I like to be around naked woman and often have the opportunity to do doubles but I've done doubles with plenty of girls that I could tell weren't enjoying themselves, but the customer was perfectly satisfied, he couldn't tell or didn't care either way........
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Originally Posted by Jayln
I totally agree, I really don't think it matters... I DO think it might be easier for a gay dancer though, in dealing with someone of the opposite sex and putting up with all their crap.... They would probably be less likely to have a chip on their shoulder in regards to the opposite sex, in the club and outside of it, because why would she/he care??!! :D Its all about the money, honey!
I knew this girl who was gay at one of the clubs I worked, at first I didn't know it. This girl would come in and literally clean house!!! She was the perfect blonde southern bell and loved to flirt with all the guys, she was very popular and charming. I almost fell out of my chair when she told me she was gay and married to a woman!! I would have never guessed in a million years by watching her dance and work the guys!:O
But my example serves to prove my point. I don't see how it supports yours. The reason women can be successful in the profession is because they are much better at separating the sexual from the emotional than men are. My buddies where the ones falling in love/lust, not the women who where dancing for them. I'm not a woman so I'm not going to pretend to know how they do it but a look around any strip club will show you that they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorn
I don't have statistics, I doubt that there are any, but I'm going to make broad assumption that the vast majority of women dancing are heterosexual. I make this assumption based on the fact that the vast majority of dancers I know have or have had boyfriends or husbands. I'm sure certain percentages are Bi (I know a few) and smaller percentages are Lesbians (again, I know a few). Unless a dancer tells you, how would you ever know it?
A few months ago I was sitting in a club watching a dancer friend of mine in the throws of a $2000 night. She was on fire-PD's, Champagne rooms, just cleaning up. She always comes over and shows me how many business cards she collected before she throws them in the trash-there where lots. At the end of the shift she changed her clothes, went out to the parking lot where her live-in boyfriend was waiting for her. They drove home to their condo 50 miles away, paid the baby sitter of her 12-year-old daughter and settled down for the night. I know the drill because I've given her rides home when the boyfriend was working late. When she walks out the door of the club the actress persona stays in her locker along with the stripper shoes and outfits. On the ride home she may bitch about the jerk that promised to do a VIP and disappeared or the bitch that stole her customer. She never mentions the guys who give her the business cards. By the time we've been driving for 15 minutes we're both talking about our kids and the weather.
I dont think it's really possible to generalize. Each individual dancer handles the workplace, their sexuality, their body, customers, gender, and social instances differently. I wouldnt think that there was one specific sexuality, be it straight, bi, lesbian, or pansexual that could handle something with so many variables, especially with the infinate number of variables in human beings.
Picking up on Yoda57us's point, I think lesbians are only 2 - 3% of the female population, (correct me if I'm wrong). On this basis the chance of meeting a lesbian dancer is slight.
The points made earlier about dancing being only entertainment are well taken. On that basis sexual orientation is unimportant. The sole exception would be that small percentage of dancers who are exhibitionists and who get pleasure out of a customer's reactions to them. Logically, (slippery slope here), you would not expect these exhibitionists to be lesbians.
Finally, I've noted lesbian customers make some dancers uncomfortable. There's a small strip venue close to me. Every now and then a small group of lesbians come in to enjoy the view. Some dancers seem to enjoy performing for them, others quietly ignore them.
Phil W.
I don't think there's any difference in the way we do our jobs. I think that dancers who have that turned on thing working for them are usually turned on about themselves, not the customers.
I have noticed tho that I hear a lot of "I hate men!" "They're all fucking pigs" from straight girls in the dressing room... but then, that's just some straight girls, not all of them.
I thought the same way. How could I say if it's easier to dance if I was gay?Quote:
Originally Posted by Malibu
It makes no damn difference to me.
Yeah, maybe, but what does that have to do with women earning a living in a strip club? Honestly, I've never read any of that stuff so if you wanna have a debate about sex studies I'm definitely not your man...I'm posting only my opinions based on my observations in strip clubs and in 20 odd years of conversations with dancers-some of whom where just friends that I never spent a dime on, some of whom rocked my world and emptied my wallet for years, and some of whom have been a little of both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorn
I don't know how much research M & J, Kingsley and Shere Hite (aren't there some old nudes of her floating around from the 70's???) did in strip clubs but I would suggest that the dynamic between men and women is different in SCs than it is outside of them. I say this again, based on conversations with dancers and based on my own experiences with women in and out of SCs. The inescapable fact is that the women are there to make money and we men are there to have fun. I've learned never to underestimate what a woman will do to put food on the table. I see some of the best acting during rent week.
Well yeah, I guess that's one way to do it. I'd rather chat with a girl that strikes my fancy, see if we hit it off and then invest a few bucks and see what happens. What I want is to have a good time. For me, half the fun is seeing where it's going to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorn
Who does a dance without knowing exactly how much it's going to cost? That would be dumb.
Yeah, I've seen them, they where dumb. Well maybe drunk AND dumb. Sure, there are a few scam artist dancers out there who will get you into VIP without quoting a price and keep you there with the meter running. Quite frankly, I have no sympathy for any customer who is stupid enough to fall for that scam.
I'm bi but it's weird sometimes dancing for a female customer. They still act self conscious. They're obviously sitting there liking what they see and they'll tip a little but then they seem stand-offish. I'm not sure if they just don't want people to see them doing girl/girl stuff, or if they are just self-conscious as women about being too sexual. A friend of mine said it's because they don't want you as another woman to think they are easy going and a softie about buying. Ha, not likely, I know women tend to be pretty stingy.
Yes, but you are dealing with women who are far from 'typical'. Ask the average woman to dry hump you for 20$ and you're going to get slapped, beaten up by her boyfriend, if he's around, and possibly arrested to boot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorn
Even if she did agree, it would be an entirely different exprerience for her than it is for a woman who has done it for 1000 different guys in a year's time.
This might partly explain the somewhat higher prevalence of bisexual and lesbian women that I have noticed, at least in the clubs I have worked in. Whether this is the result of some innate predisposition, or the contempt for men that many dancers develop, after dealing with innumerable assholes and losers, is another question.
it doesnt matter it is acting anyways.
I agree that it's not always a scam but I have trouble with the term "honest misconceptions". It's not neccesarily a dancers obligation to quote a customer a price when he askes her into VIP. It is however a customers obligation to assertain what this experience is going to cost him beforehand. There is no misconception here unless the customer wrongly assumed that the VIP room and the dancers time are free because she didn't quote him a price. This is not an honest misconception, this is stupidity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorn
I suppose an exception to this would be a customer with enough disspossable income not to care what it's going to cost. This fellow, of course, would have no need for buyers remorse after the fact.