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Approaching customers when they first walk in
When I see $$$ enter the club, I *ZOOM* to their table before the waitress has a chance to get a drink order and I introduce myself.
So often am I rejected with the guys "just settling in" (~99.999998%) that I wonder if I should even try to land the sale, and instead ask them to keep me in mind. They tell me to "Come back later," whatever that means. 2 months dancing and I really hate that phrase.
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i would say wait 10-15 minutes at least.(esp if he is with friends) Most guys want to look around and see their choices before jumping into the sale. Do you blame them?
Dancing has a lot to do with sales, but a lot of guys want to find best quality first.
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or their perception of best quality "their type"
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Sometimes if its slow I introduce myself to "just wanted to say hi" do stage..talk with another guy and go back to sit, chat, ask for a dance.
That way I look busy too other guys when Im being nice and flirty even if Im just saying hi. I picked up that one from a dancer...I was customer at the club.
Or if its busy and I see they have already been approached by one girl...Ill go over sit, chat, ask again. Thats just b/c its busy.
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wait till they get a drink at least. I mean think about it... when you go into a store do you like it when the salesperson zooms over to you and pressures you straight off for a sale?
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Originally Posted by TigersMilk
Sometimes if its slow I introduce myself to "just wanted to say hi" do stage..talk with another guy and go back to sit, chat, ask for a dance.
That way I look busy too other guys when Im being nice and flirty even if Im just saying hi. .....
^ What she said!
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I will approach them as soon as theyve been seated and I try to get to them before the other girls unless Im already with someone.
Gotta be aggressive to make the big money.
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Sometimes it can be a good tatic if you approach in a positive way. Just make a good impression by introducing yourself and maybe a little small talk like asking what brings them into the club tonight, is it their first time in the club etc... Tell them that you know they probably want to get a few drinks in them first and get settled in and let them know that you will stop by again a little later.
It's a nice way to make customers feel welcome to the club without making them feel like they are being pressured into buying a dance right away.
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^^^ I agree.
I think approaching immediately and trying to sell before a guy has had a chance to order a freakin drink is not good. Let them come in, take in their surroundings, scope out the ddancers, then stop by and say hi.
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Generally, I will not buy dances in the first 15 minutes, and would like to get acclimated to my surroundings, particularly if I'm in a new club. Naturally, if its a big club or its busy, its going to be impossible to gauge how long exactly a customer has been sitting, but if you don't see a drink glass on his table, you can bet he's just walked in.
Unless I know a dancer or the gal is just so nuclear hot that I can't pass her up, I'd rather not be asked until the waitress has brought my drink. After that, its open season.
As I stated in another thread, timing is everything. If you get the 'maybe later" line be sure to tell him your stage name, so he can remember you.
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I always wait until the customer has a drink. Maybe half way through his drink I will approach him. They want to settle first, relax a few minutes and get comfortable with their surroundings. They want to check out the scenery and get a visual sample of all the girls.
Do make a point of at least saying hello, but don't rush up on him. Many times a guy has told me that I was the first to say hello and that he was starting to wonder what was wrong with him... They would get a dance from me just because I was the first to say hi.
If I do say hi to a customer, (not knowing that he just got there) I will tell him I am sorry, tell him I just wanted to say hello and for him to have a great time and to let me know if he needs me or when he is feeling comfortable to flag me down..;)
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I don't mind sitting with the guy for a little while if we just opened (we generally do not get busy for about an hour, so it's a wasted time anyway). I'll let them settle in as they drink and I talk. This way the get to "know" me and yes, I have beat out the other dancers. I sometimes get turned down, but not usually since they enjoyed the coversation with little to no pressure right away. If they don't want any dances, I just make a mental note not to approach these guys again since they are usually the ones that get NO dances at all if they aren't going to get it from the girl that sat with them when we first opened.
But then, if you don't approach them someone else will.
Then, there is the tactic that a lot of dancers use, they wait to see if he tips. If he does he iszoomed in on, but most of the guys like to "get settled in," before they even do that.
Now, if they brush off a dancer and then don't tip a few of the girls, they will not be approached for the rest of the night. We do see pretty much everything.
I watched that happen two nights ago. He told me he was waiting on a dancer and that she was already there since he had seen her. So I left him alone and went back to sitting with a few girls since ther were no other customers. Well, he sat close to the stage and tipped no one at all, no "fave" dancer came by to say hi and he was left by his lonesome for the rest of his evening.
There are just some guys that even if you apporach them in a friendly way, they have no intention of spending any money, just see that they've had some of their drink, have noiced that there are girls on stage and that they see you sitting next to them and then casualy ask for that dance. If it's a flat out no, never return, if it's a "let me get settled in" wait a song or two if you are dead, but keep an eye on the room and then ask again. If it doesn't work don't waste your time, but move on.
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I usually eyeball them when they sit down, wait till they get their drinks. I also pay close attention to WHAT they order, and WHAT sort of cash they whip out when paying for the drink, then I go in for the kill.
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Livenudegirlsunite had the best answer to me, but PaigeD's reserve 'em with your eyes could work well oftentimes. AmyLynne gets away with being aggressive because she's smokin' hot by most guys standards. I could appreciate aggression because I will probably be stopping for a quickie one drink - 1 or 2 dance trip or the way home from work so sitting and waiting won't fly well with me. Although I did approach the dancer's myself on my first SC trip. Funny how you get more ballsy with age. When I was 21 I would have been wide-eyed in the corner. LOL
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Definitely avoid the approach until after I've sat down. I mean a guy kinda wants to feel his surroundings out and just get comfortable. However, a friendly hey and cute smile in passing does wonders for me. It's the little things that go the furthest for me and mine.
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Ok I know this is not the Custy section and Lizette didn't ask for custy's opinions, but I hate it when I've just put my :butthead: in a seat and a dancer is ready to hop into my lap.
It doesn't happen to me too often, but always to my buddy.
:laughing: and it's usually a fugly dancer too.
:medusa:
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Allow the prey to become comfortable and complacent at the watering hole before you strike.
A little of the "just wanted to say hi" stuff is fine, but give each potential victim 15-30 minutes to acclimate.
You know. Just like floating the bag with a new fish in your aquarium.:)
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Originally Posted by Lizette
When I see $$$ enter the club, I *ZOOM* to their table before the waitress has a chance to get a drink order and I introduce myself.
I'm sure we've met. I've been ZOOMED so many times I have 7-inch stiletto marks on my forehead.
I personally think "zooming" is really cute. And the zoomers' lines are always the most creative ("Can I molest you?" "God, you are so sexy," and the pity play, "My night sucked until you came in.") Plus, I have a real soft spot for aggressive women. So I am an easy mark for this.
The problem is that most guys don't go for it. They want to see the field before they buy. Some actually like to get their coats off first.
You may do better if you use the opportunity to make a connection, and not try to close too fast. Make the most out of the fact that you are the first girl he's seen in the club. You can close when you circle back around later. It's better than an outright rejection because you've drop tackled him before he even made it to the table.
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I usually go up, say "hiya, welcome to the club! -introduce self-" if the guy sounds interested, such as this: "HI! You're lovely! Can I get you a drink?" then I stay, if not I flitter off, saying "I just wanted to say hi and thank you for coming down, I'll check on you later." Then I come back after about fifteen minutes or so, sometimes I'll go up on stage in the mean-time, flirt with 'em from stage.
Usually I only do this when it is slow and I have a chance to greet customers, otherwise I wait until they're seated and served, possibly on second drink, to approach.
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The only time "zooming" works for me is the time just before or after lock in (3am) for me. There have been many times a patron has come in, I approach him, intro myself, ask one or two open ended questions (tell me what/who brought you into the club tonight and other such questions) and then sell.
When it is especially early in the night (as my club opens 8pm and I usually 'start' around 9pm) I only introduce myself, ask questions, inform them about the stage tipping then leave with a "check back on you later" type of thing.
Pick your times to zoom... basically.
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I do pretty much the same thing that CrescentLuna does. I wait until the bartender gives them their drink, then I go over there and say "Hi, how are you today?" and introduce myself. If they offer me a drink right away or if they invite me to have a seat, then I sit with them right away. Otherwise I say something like "Well, I hope you have fun tonight and I'll stop by and see how you're doing later on." and go somewhere else.
I think it's good to approach them fairly quickly so that another girl doesn't beat you to it, but it's not good if they feel like you're pressuring them right away. That's why I never ask for dances right away-I just say hello and introduce myself first, leave them in peace to have their drink and check out the place, and then check on them 10-15 minutes later, make some small talk, and ask for the dances after 2 songs or so.
I think it's wise to least wait until the bartender gives them their drink first so they don't feel bombarded by girls right away. Most guys like to have 10-15 minutes to scope out all the girls before they get some dances.
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One thing we learned in the Dancer Wealth seminar is to play hostess if you are in a club where no one is there to seat the customer. Introduce yourself, offer to get the waitress for him, and then tell him you will check back with him after he gets settled and gets his drink.
This works ok sometimes, and I used it in Vegas on the morning shift with some success for a while, but when it is slow and you have lots of idle girls, they will start hanging around the door and copying you.
I don't mean to be a glass half empty girl, but I stopped working regularly in clubs where there is not enough business day in and day out to go around. Many dancers on SW who are veterans realize the need to move around when a club gets stagnant and overrun with dancers.
Lots of clubs nowadays don't have enough floor momentum, and customers and dancers are sitting around too long. Dances are too slow to sell and selling a guy is getting more and more like selling a car in lots of clubs.Guys know when they have the pick of the litter and it makes them slow to commit.
I would keep you options open Lizette.
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When I first started dancing, the housemother gave me a tip to wait until the man had at least ordered his drink at had it put in front of him before I would approached him. At this point they've got their drink and are sitting down comfortably and it's also at a time which gives them the opportunity to buy me a drink (a reason to hang around and later ask them for a dance). One approach of mine was exactly what Tina had said, I introduce myself, tell them to have fun and that when they've settled in, I'll pop back then. It is courtesy to wait until they are settled in and feeling relaxed. Since then, I have never understood women who pounce on men the very second they enter the club and immediately start with the hardsell. It stinks heavily of greed and impatience to me and it harasses the men, making them put their guard up to the other women who approach them later.
There is no harm in waiting a few minutes at the very least. However, wait too long and you could miss a customer (which often happens when a man has little time to spend in the club). I prefer to time it for a few minutes before approaching men.
There is no magic formula to timing an approach, but when you start having regular customers, you can easily approach them the moment they enter the club because you know that their time spent in the club will want to be with you.
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As a custy I'd say PaigeDWinter's approach works best...to use a sports term, she's "scouting" the prospective clients. I'd like to add that if you're doing this, watch his body language...is he attempting to engage eyes with someone (perhaps you?) or is he being aversive, as if to say "let me be til I'm ready".
Unless it's someone I know I really don't like to be "zoomed" myself. But if approached politely, with a hint of flirty coyness, even though I may turn you down the first time I will make sure to get your name so I can find you later.
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let them get comfy with the atmosphere first, then hightale it over there. (10mins)