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I would assume it is,thats why im asking,I dont know the answer to the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hello~Kitty
You squash stereotypes by providing the correct answer.
To call it a stereotype,many must also hold the same thoughts as i shared in my question,they shall also remain to have them till something changes thier minds,something like an answer to the question.
The real question is : WHY DO YOU ASSUME THEY ARE EX-CONS?
What would make you think such a thing in the 1st place?
The amount of predjudice some of you here express is just soooooooo sad :'(
Im not sure,I think I saw a docushow about prisons or something and i seem to remember them talking about the high numbers of convicts who convert religions to islam when in prison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hello~Kitty
I have also heard that many if not most converts are not white americans.
I have heard that of the white americans,the vast majority is female that do .
I have even heard it called the prison religion when refererring to islam in the united states.
I freely admit to having more info on the conversion wars in south africa then i do about islam here in the states.I dont know if these things are true,if they are somewhat true,or flat out bullshit.
Thats why im asking.
If you can provide answers or stats,im really interested in knowing.
Well if you are thinking about the 5%s or the nation of islam they aren't actually very muslim at all. More of a US invention. There alot of 5%s and members of the nation of Islam in prison and those that "convert" in prison but I wouldn't call them muslim.
As far as I know, quite a few men convert in prison and then leave Islam when they get out. It is another form of "protection" for them, kinda like a gang while they are there. Like the white supremicists etc the Muslims look out for one another. When you say Muslim in the prison setting though, you are talking about everyone from the 5% to the NOI (Farrakhan) to the wahhabi types etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
To say, however, that it is a prison religion is silliness. I don't think anyone has a racial break down of converts, it is true that in the past the majority of converts were African American, but I don't think that has been true for a while. I think white females would probably be the fastest growing number. I have been reading a lot about Mexican American converts as well, both men and women.
Like I said, unfortunately, I don't think there are any numbers out there. I don't believe anyone is keeping track of such things. It would be sort of a difficult thing to track when you think of it. Most religions don't keep records of their converts and in Islam you don't need to attend any sort of formal congregation to convert, it is something purely between yourself and God.
Iran has a femal vice president and women work in every facet of daily life FOR PAY. Do you know what slavery is? I don't think you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Destiny
Can you show me the area of the Iranian constitution where women are the property of anyone? Can an Iranian man force his wife to work and keep her wages?
- The state of one bound in servitude as the property of a slaveholder or household.
Shirin Ebadi just won a Nobel Prize and return to her country to the praise and congratulations of thousands of Iranians. Can you explain to me how she is in the state of bound servitude? That's what I mean by hyperbole. Maybe you should look that word up too.
Syria is not an "islamic republic" it is run by Ba'athists like Saddam, who was an athiest. It seems you have taken some things from here and some things from there and assumed that all countries that have a population that is majority Muslim are the same. Just take a look at Bashar Al Assad's wife, she doesn't even wear hijab. Also, people who adhere to Islam are called Muslims not "islamic men".Quote:
Originally Posted by Destiny
There are major differences between law in Iran where women vote, drive, run for public office, run institutions of higher learning etc. and Saudi Arabia where women can do none of the above. Really just do some research you are way off the mark.
Destiny,
I would highly recommend you read the book "9 Parts of Desire".
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846
It chronicles experiences of women in muslim countries. The middle east and islam itself is not one cohesive system. These are autonomous countries with specific cultures. Even like the west, they are full of contradictions. Islam is both good and bad to women. The answer is not that simple.
And why, oh why, must the Holocaust be brought up in every debate? That's such a sensitive issue that has nothing to do with this discussion. Can you guys please drop it unless it is somehow related to the debate?
Thank you for the calm response.Im sorry no stats are avail on the subject.They might shed some more light on the topic.
Ok,im not trying to sound racist,and im not trying to start flames,but for the life of me i cant find a PC way to ask this question,so bear with me please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Incognita
If white females are leading in the conversions,would it be your opinion that a high percentage of them are in interracial relationships???
Could this even be called a pattern almost??
Are there any white females here who are islamic and not in an interracial relationship?
OMG.... that did it. First they must be ex-cons now they must be in interracial relationships....... I just can't stand the prejudice and stereotyping in here any longer..... it's just too fucking disgusting !
Signing off and hoping to be in a better mood when I return to this section at a later date/time...bleh !
yea ok,your excused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hello~Kitty
I was hoping for a calmer response filled with something that would shatter my already admitted stereotypes.
Oh well,thanks for playing along.
Anyways,if you dont mind answering under another less hostile name,i would really like to have the question answered.
I know Farrah has been turned off by this line of topic and my bull in a china shop responses to it,but maybe her level headed approach would be usefull at this point.
I just wanna know the answer.
It doesnt mean anything.
I dont have a witty retort i swear!
Is it true or not???
Simple yes or no.
I would even settle for opinions.
I would imagine that many of the women converting might be marrying muslim men who are immigrants, rather than converted convicts. Muslims span all of the world's races, including caucasion. There are many muslims in countries like Yugoslavia and Bulgaria. Also, as we all know, US women come in many tasty colors as well.
I only ponder the significance of this question. What's the point? For the record, I hate all religions with equal venom. But the issue surrounding Islam is almost completely politically fueled anyway.......
1. Considering that Islam is not really a White American or White European religion, I woud say yes, the majority being in relationships with Arab or Arab-American men.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
2. Exactly what kind of pattern are you inferring?
3. Quite sure of it.
Why are we making a big deal about the difference between White-American woman converts and everyotherethnicity-American converts? Does it somehow make more sense that a Black-American or Hispanic-American woman would follow Islam than White-American women?
I also see a nice pattern developing here...Islam...convicts...WW in interracial realtionships...*sigh*
Big Green: marijuana is also corrupting our white women. Along with islam it's a one-two punch my friend.
Better subscribe them to the National Vanguard before it's too late.
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/imag..._family_sm.jpg
Subscription info:
Makes a great gift for lambs about to head astray. Do something before it is too late
Oh yes, I know of several. I was surprised at the number of teenaged white boys I saw converting in California. I have just seen more young (20's and early 30's white women converting than anything else. I have to rely on anecdotes because, as I stated, I don't *think* there are stats available.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
Actually many women are offended by the idea that they converted for husbands. So yes, there are white women who convert because they marry Muslim men from X country and there are a good sized number of them, but the "new" converts are often single women. I don't know if it is still available, but I read an article from, I think, The BBC that was talking about the growing number of white female converts to Islam in Britain and the majority of them were single, professional women in their 30's. If you want you can go here http://www.cair-net.org/, they are the only place that might have some stats on such things. There is another website that has all sorts of info. on world religions. I will try to come back later with a link, they might also have some numbers.
It's an interesting question and one I have often wondered about myself, but I haven't found any numbers.
:rotfl:Oh no! How did you find out? Sheesh, those mooslems must not be too good at keeping secrets. Now that the cat is out of the bag I'd better let you all know that marijuana, Islam and strip clubs have a connection. They are part of the grand consipiracy of islamists to subvert western civilization by picking up white women in clubs, offering them marijuana (nevermind that exported heroin is a much bigger cash crop (see:afghanistan) in the Muslim world than hasish) and converting them to Islam to breed Muslim children. They are kept high their entire lives, forced to convert and breed breed breed. So far it's been working just fine, but obviously your superior investigative skills have discovered the plot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sh0t
Do you know about the Jews and the world bank too? Damn those semites!
yea I know all about he evil jewish bankers, the protocols of the learned elders of zion and such things
World Bank is quite bad though, in all seriousness
The "jewish" thing is just a distraction. I think most of the white nationalist groups are head by intelligence agencies, like the ones in germany recently
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sh0t
BigGreen this is the only thing I could find for you in terms of stats about Muslims in the U.S. See here http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_numb.htm
You know, though, I was thinking about converts to Islam, and I have to say that almost all the wiccans I have ever met were white female "converts" (as in they were not raised as wiccans) as well. I don't know if there is any information available, but it would not surprise me if white women converted to religions they were not raised in more than any other group in the U.S. My mother was a buddhist, though raised a Catholic, and when we would go to her Buddhist meetings and temple etc. the overwhelming majority of non-Japanese were white male converts married to Japanese women and white women who had converted of their own accord.
I think traditionally women are just more spiritual than men. I think that is more cultural than anything because in most cultures women are expected to pass on tradition to children more than men are, also spirituality is not seen as being the most "manly" thing in American culture. So, maybe women are more likely to be open about their search for spirituality than men are.
In terms of the large number of African-American converts to Islam, we have to remember that the first wave of African-American converts was through the Nation Of Islam, which was mostly a black nationalist movement that provided African Americans with a race-based spirituality that had a lot more to do with social justice than religious law and worship. I could go on and on because religion is one of my favorite topics, but I know when to shut up.... well sometimes. :P
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Originally Posted by Sh0t
Why? What do they have to gain from such a thing?
She says as she looks around and quietly slips on her tinfoil hat.
Sorry. My frustration wasn't just because of your comments...it was a combo of things.....but anyway I have a question for you.... you admit to having these stereotypical view of Muslims but what I am curious about is why choose to only see things from a negative POV rather than to see both the good and the bad equally ?Quote:
Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
Is this leftover anger from 9/11 or something else ?
What would it take for you to understand that there is good in this religion as well as bad.... just like any other religion.
Is there anything that will change your admited predjudiced opinion ? If so what it is ?
Maybe one of us here can help make you dislike this entire group of people less.... I mean we are talking about billions of people !
IMHO, that would be a wonderful thing to see happen if you or Destiny is open to it
:peace:
Which muslim group caused norah to stand down on 911?
Which muslim group was running a hijacking scenario as a cover for the confusion during 911?
WASPs committed 911
No,i didnt say these were my views on it at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hello~Kitty
I stated things i have heard,I never said i agreed with them,I was only looking for clarifacation.
I have never really seen any religion that wasnt founded on good,or had alot,if not most things and teachings that i agree with,to include many of the sarahs in the quran.Quote:
but what I am curious about is why choose to only see things from a negative POV rather than to see both the good and the bad equally ?
??????Quote:
Is this leftover anger from 9/11 or something else ?
Why is it that anytime the Islamic religion is questioned now ,its always blamed on 9/11 anger??
This has been going on for 2000 years.
A rewording of the quran.To be specific,the sarah that pertains to killing me and mine if we dont convert.Quote:
Is there anything that will change your admited predjudiced opinion ? If so what it is ?
Continue to raise generations of followers as an enemy to all other religions,it will never change.
How many muslims have killed you?
I asked if that was it because these days that seems to be the most common reason. I was just wondering if that was it in your case. Should I take your answer to mean that isn't part of what drives your opinions ?Quote:
Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
Well that is ALL propganda extracted from taking their scripture way way way out of context for the purpose of making people dislike/hate Muslims. I see it has worked in your case:'(Quote:
Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
And it isn't a "sarah" ::) (the correct name for what you seem to be refering to is shari'a- that alone shows you don't know much about the religion if you don't even know what to call the things you profess to want to see changed) nor does the religion state that all non believers should be killed. It calls for violence ONLY if non believers try to force Muslims to also become or live as non believers.
Also they aren't raising people to be an enemy of everyone else but rather to be true to and protect the right to have their own beliefs.
In closing it's disapointing that some of you CHOOSE to believe propganda over the truth....but no one can change that except you and you have to want to change to have change happen.
Enjoy your hatred, I guess. It's your right to be that way but I am proud to choose to live otherwise.
Off to work now. Have a good evening everyone!