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I agree guys do this for only a few reasons.
1. Some guys are on a budget and want to see all of the girls before they make up thier mind on who to spend thier money on. There isn't much you can do about these guys except wait them out.
2. They are not good at talking to women and will make up excuses. I have know guys who do this rather than say I don't like you or I just had a nut blowing dance give me a minute.
Guys think they can tell how a girl is by how she dances on stage but that is a lie. The best private dancers are the ones who are always giving private dances. They already have a line and so thier dance might be very laid back as a way to rest before another 7 private dances in a row.
I think the best thing to do is to check back a few more times. They are not only wanting to see you but the other girls as well. After a few songs they may have seen enough to pick you. If they were making an excuse earlier because they just finished a dance or just got there or were waiting for a beer they may want a dance now. If not they will now either tell you no or maybe later. Maybe later 90% of the time means that. but pin them down. If someone tells you in a bit or after a while tell them I am going to check back in 4 songs. You could also challenge them. In my early days I have told girls that and they have told me back you won't need to wait I give the best dances in the place. Then give them the best dance in the place. Getting guys to give dances helps a lot. If you keep going from guy who said no to another guy who said no it tells other men that those guys didn't want her why do I. Take a break if you have to and chat even if they say no. It is better sometimes to not be turned down just as it is more appealing if you get yes after yes
yeahthose guys are real pricks LOL
For those idiots a heady whiff of arrogance works a treat.... "im the highest paid lapdancer
here, i dont go onstage,i
specialize in pvt shows only"
thats like saying to a mechanic, I want to see you fix my car first before I decide if your worth the rate your asking.
I usually don't approach custys before I get on stage, and I don't give free samples.
They don't give me any free money, now, do they? I may lose out on some prospects here, but it avoids the embarrasement of being turned down solely on this excuse.
But if the boss man says, hey get out there and hustle, I do it. Even though, I know what the result will be. After all he is the boss.
And if the custy says no, then, that the way it is. Now, after he sees me on stage, and he wants me, the price of private dancing is automatically increased. Yes sir, it is.
I can see in a small club that a non tipped stage performance is not appreciated by the dancer. However in a medium to large club, it is your advertising and is essential.
Customers sometimes can not see you, or even find you in a larger club.
The I want to see you on stage line is probably a guy who is hedging his bets. My guess is that you have approached before the customary drink, or he is momentary disoriented from
the overbearing non necessary floor host, who also just hit him up for a tip for showing him a table he could of got for himself.
If you are truly a dancer he might be interested in, he doesn't want to piss you off by saying no. The hustle in clubs is alot stronger and for us militant sizer upper, relax get a drink guys, we have to be increasingly strong in the "maybe later" holding statements.
I am in the minority, but I am convinvced that a strip club without some stages and dancing and just table dances/VIPs would be a failure.
Yea, I think stage pressence could be equally more effective AFTER I've gotten a dance. I dunno, sometimes I feel the dancer is dancing just for me *blush*
Hey its what gets me reaching in my wallet eh?
I agree with the budget comment earlier. Not being a young single guy with lots of disposable income, I want to be sure I am getting a good deal for my money. I like to see all the girls before I make a decision to spend. However, it is also true that the hottest girl on stage is usually not the best lap dance. I look for energy and and interest.
I don't like the "Hi, what's your name? Wanna a dance?" I will usually say I just got here and need to get warmed up some more. Obviously that pisses dancers off, cause they seldom come back, however, the ones that do, seem to provide the best bang for the buck.
Often the only time I hustle dances is after enough people have seen me on stage.
If I have to hustle before, my dances will be discounted. Because I agree, you are taking a chance with me.
However, if after I get on stage, and you see me, and like me, the price like Lucy said above, the price will increase for private dances.
um.....when i guy says that to me...it's usually he's not interested in spending money on me or don't have any to spend and want a free show
I have always hustled before and after my stage act. My price stays the same before or after the fact. Back when I lacking in confidence I did practically give my dances away just to keep the buisiness, but I quit doing this.
Because why should I do them a favor, they sure are not going to be giving me one.
This is like the question, "Are you any good?"
To which I never answered. I just smile and give them a short sample. If they aren't satisfied with that, then what they want can't be had at the club.
Sorry, my attitude is showing here, in the above.
My actual practice, when I try to hustle and get this reply is to politely smile and walk away. Worst thing one can do here is to antagonize the customers by constant pandering.
After I get on stage, and more people have seen me, more people would want me. Even those that turn me down before the stage act.
Finally, it really all depends on the customer. If he cannot differentiate between a usual run of the mill and a first class act. Well. that is his problem.
Ok guys, this will be my first contrubution to this group.
First, it's funny that I'm even writing to you to help you out, I'm a professional marketer, salesman... and... I'm also a part time professional PUA (pick up artist) and thus am a man.
But, I can't help but feel a kindredness with you, you encounter many of the same issues I encounter on a regular basis in my professional life.
I don't want to step on any toes here, I'm not a stripper, and so my methods may not be directly applicable to you. But read my suggestions in their entirety and TEST them before you make any judgement.
(In pick-up, we field test things between 20-100 times seperately before we decide that we are on a winning strategy or a losing strategy. Also, don't be afraid to leave your comfort zone, you've got bouncers for protection. You're also in a sales role, so start growing a thicker skin)
In advertising to describe the process of getting a customer we have an acronym called AIDA (Attention, Interest, Desire, Action). It's important to realize that if you ignore the any of the steps of the sales dance, you significantly reduce the chances of getting the sale.
What I'm about to briefly describe is a way to incorporate that process into your job.
In Pick Up (which Ill call PU from now on) we catch a womans attention (usually) by getting her opinion on something that is likely to interest her. We don't try and fuck her right away, or even communicate any interest in HER at all.
This is because she is in the prospect role, she is evaluating. She is naturally skeptical. If she's attractive and intelligent she is no-doubt surrounded by friends and CB's (cock blocks).
So disarm your customer FIRST. Go in NEUTRAL. Don't ask for a dance, because what you're really doing is asking for is his money. He knows this.
Think about the last guy that hit on you at a bar.
You knew right away what he was thinking before he opened his mouth. And it didn't interest you. He was just another loser, doing the same thing (nearly) all guys do. He wanted you to validate him, give him approval, and (hopefully) have sex with him.
Did you do it?
No.
Where was YOUR value? What's in that deal for you?
If you want to be a great sales woman, you must learn to give value FIRST. When I want to fuck a girl I spend HOURS making her feel great. I spend HOURS learning routines, jokes and refining my life stories so that they are RIVETING and keep her totally engaged.
I suggest you do something similar. Learn some male topics of interest. Go into a group of men with something that they will enjoy talking about among themselves anyway, and the fact that you are an attractive women discussing it with them makes you even more valuable. Cultivate your social skills.
In Pick-Up I tell my students they are not allowed to ask for a womans number.
Why?
Because they need to learn to be a great enough guy so that women VOLUNTEER they're numbers. THAT is the mark of a real PUA.
So don't you ask if they want a dance. That's the mark of a rank amateur (in PU we call guys that behave this way "Average Frustrated Chumps" or AFC's)
You go in neutral, you blow them away with your presence and then...
... you SCRAM.
Get out of there. Once they are totally into you, you say "well, I saw you guys sitting down here and I just had to introduce myself" then turn away and leave to talk to some other guys in DIRECT VIEW of them.
Hark unto me: men are COMPETITIVE (so are you women when I'm around lol), so use their competitive nature AGAINST them.
If you show them how beautiful, bubbly and engaging you are and then make them feel a loss when you leave to talk to some OTHER GUY, then they will voluntarily attempt to re-engage you. (Some may be too shy or nervous - you're a woman, you can read people - so make a judgement call on this, and reengage him if you suspect he would if he weren't so afraid)
You have the power. Make him feel it. Create your environment so that HE asks YOU for a dance.
Even after I have wowed a girl for 5 hours I don't suddenly go "enough talk, lets fuck" (although sometimes I do, but making a sale is not EXACTLY the same as having sex lol)
Remember: Go in neutral, demonstrate some value, leave, engage competitive male nature and watch the guys eat out of your hands
Ozzie
PS If you are getting the line "I want to see you on stage first", you are getting the same response a salesman gets when someone in his store tells him "I'm just looking".
It's just an excuse, and it's a reflection of you not leading the sales dance correctly.
People don't make excuses when you have not asked them for anything. People CHASE things that are interesting and more importantly WANTED BY OTHER PEOPLE.
So BE interesting to him, make him FEEL a loss when you leave, and then get his possessive/competitive nature engaged.
Wow.... I didn't realize men had such a formula worked out for hitting on me at the bar... :P I'm impressed....
I agree though that if he guy is honestly " Just looking aka wants to see you on stage".... No problem, my rebudle is to look deeply into their eyes give them my sexiest smile and repeat my name.... " Be sure to tell your waitress my name when your ready " This always makes me think twice like a good sale.... they might not get another chance!
When you said "are you ready to go for a dance?", you SOI'd him (made a Statement Of Intent).Quote:
Originally Posted by CrescentLuna
SOI's are dangerous. If you get a "no", then the prospect is going to become consistent with that previous behavior (their thought process will be: I said no to this girl, I must not want a dance with her for some reason) - and your only real chance at that point is to start attempting to reframe the whole interaction (possible, but why make things difficult when they can be easy)
Instead, try making him consistent with his male nature and then challenging him.
Most men like to think of themselves as adventurous.
With a woman, most men would like HER to think of him as adventurous.
So after the preliminary 2 minute fluff talk, use his nature and need to be seen as adventurous against him.
Ask this question: "Are you adventurous?"
Of course, he will say yes.
Now, ask him this question (he needs to remain consistent with claiming to be adventurous)
"Are you spontaneous?"
He will say yes, because of his previous claim, he must.
And then challenge him "so... what are we doing (together)?"
You've trapped him. The only way out is to watch him squarm as he tries to back-peddle - or - go for a dance.
Either way, he looks bad or you get a dance. No rejection, regardless of outcome - so you win.
Ozzie
PS Send me your success story to [email protected]
I think you have to be exceptionally attractive, or have a certain "look" to get dances without going on stage first. At least for me. This may depend upon the club, but at the club I most frequent, there are only a few girls that hustle without going onstage. They simply prefer not to go onstage, and I imagine they pay the DJ not to call them up. One is a brunette with a spectacular body, and the other two are blondes that are above average in attractiveness and some big ole double D cups. I think their "look" enables them to get dances from customers with rarely having to strip naked onstage.
I have sometimes told dancers this line in order to get them to leave me alone, but more often than not I mean it. At my favorite club the stage is all nude, but dances are topless only. When I say "I want to see you onstage first", its because I already like what I see and want to see you completely nude. Otherwise, I'll say "maybe later" or "no thanks" when asked for a lap dance.
What's with the "increased price for dances" after coming off stage some of you ladies are talking about? I am glad the clubs I have been to have one non-negotiable price that I know about beforehand.
Well, OK.
If I came to you looking like this (see attached) would you give me a dance?
Can we say, see the smoke from my CFM shoes? Dude, seriously, if a gent at the club says he wants to see me on stage I smile politely and move along. Obviously he's not interested in having a gorgeous blond with huge breasts rub herself all over him. Fine with me. Perhaps the next guy will.
It's a common phrase, like, " I haven't had enough to drink." or the ever popular " I have no cash, or I have no money."
Miss R
Generally i would suggest most men would be willing to sign over the title to thier car or house if you came to them,and in a moment of weakness I might also.Quote:
Originally Posted by EffeZX
So if they say no,wouldnt you want to know why???
Is it such a bad thing to want to see you on stage first???
some of us enjoy the visual also.
Not aimed at you,but what about the show ladies????
To see some of your post,some dancers would do away with the stage altogether.
Then it would just be sore "dancers"doing assembly line lapdances.
Why even call them dancers???
The stage has always got to remain the attraction with lapdances as the item on the menu.
You do have a valid point, but like men we also have heard this sort of "line" used by some to .. How would you say, soften the blow of saying no? Or trying to wriggle out of a dance thinking they might get something else and or more for less? Make sense?
As a dancer/stripper/tittie dancer/entertainer - whichever label you want to attach to it, each one of us that work have a certain amount of time to make as much cash as we can. I know this sounds horrible and somewhat crass - then again it is a job and I am there to get paid after a fashion. Not to have my valuable time wasted by a guy that wants a free show.
Miss R
Miss R
more sense then i think your allowed by the code and regulations of being blonde;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Crow
Fuckin A it makes sense to me.
Its a polite no thank you.
Its a "wait till i get my drink"
Its not an insult or a reason for a girl to get pissy imo.
more of that...Quote:
As a dancer/stripper/tittie dancer/entertainer - whichever label you want to attach to it, each one of us that work have a certain amount of time to make as much cash as we can. I know this sounds horrible and somewhat crass - then again it is a job and I am there to get paid after a fashion. Not to have my valuable time wasted by a guy that wants a free show.
Miss R
Miss R
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
kinda stuff.
Dancers measure time in dollars.
Dancers measure bills in lapdances(2-3 lapdances equal the rent check or the electric bill etc)
When a custie says"I want to see you on stage first"
It isnt an insult and shouldnt be looked at as such imo.
No insult intended or taken if it's said with a smile and a little joking made after some conversation. If it's a rude bastard that will tell you to go away, in so many words even before you get a " Hello, how are you this evening" out of your mouth then yes, he gets my bitchy side and I tell him to go fuck himself as I smile and walk away.
It's all in the delivery. So, I take it as it is delivered and react accordingly. :)
PS. I really am blond! :P
Miss R
Any prick that tells a dancer that...isn't going to buy any lap dances! Surpirse, surprise!
You obviously haven't been reading this entire thread... duh?
Miss R
most guys want to see you on stage so that they can judge from on stage how you will do a lap dance they think if you really shake it on stage you will shake it in the lap dance but then there are some men who would rather have a slow sensual lap dance it just depends on the man all you can do is ask if hes interested he will say yes if not his loss next ;) after all its all about the $$$$ and what one wont spend another will ::)