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Why India is kicking our ass.
Outsourcing has been discussed here quite a bit. Thought I would share some thoughts from Thomas L. Friedman's book The World Is Flat. He writes that India's prinicple advantage is not cheap wages, or a lack of oppressive regulations, it is brain power. About the Indian Institues of Technology (IIT) he writes:
...hundreds of thousands of Indians have competed to gain entry and then graduate from these IITs...Given India's 1 billion-plus population, the competition produces a phenomenal meritocracy...The IITs became islands of excellence by not allowing the general debasement of the Indian system to lower their exactling standards...You couldn't bribe your way to get into an IIT...Candidates are accepted only if they pass a grueling entrance exam. The government does not interfere with the curriculum, and the workload is demanding.
The secret to competing with India (and China)? Enhance the natural resource that American's have always used, brain power.
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you mean the public educational systems those on in this thread want to dismantle rather than strengthen....so the poor will be less educated?
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No, it's better that we use our public schools as social tools to make us all love each other. That reading, writing, and arithmetic stuff should be worked around touchy-feely self esteem and diversity lessons.
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Deloitte and Touche suggest otherwise about IT outsourcing.
Funny thing is, D and T was one of the big consulting houses recommending outsourcing in the early nineties.
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Originally Posted by Destiny
Outsourcing has been discussed here quite a bit. Thought I would share some thoughts from Thomas L. Friedman's book The World Is Flat. He writes that India's prinicple advantage is not cheap wages, or a lack of oppressive regulations, it is brain power. About the Indian Institues of Technology (IIT) he writes:
...hundreds of thousands of Indians have competed to gain entry and then graduate from these IITs...Given India's 1 billion-plus population, the competition produces a phenomenal meritocracy...The IITs became islands of excellence by not allowing the general debasement of the Indian system to lower their exactling standards...You couldn't bribe your way to get into an IIT...Candidates are accepted only if they pass a grueling entrance exam. The government does not interfere with the curriculum, and the workload is demanding.
The secret to competing with India (and China)? Enhance the natural resource that American's have always used, brain power.
We do have brain power - it is simply more expensive (due to a lot of things) than the brain power in India. For all the talk about IIT, it is no different than some of the schools here. It is special for India but not special for here.
The main problem with schools is that people don't apply themselves - and if they do, there are cultural issues that seemed to have spurted up lately against the educated. Much better to be "street" than educated I guess.
Don't let him fool you - I am in the process of reading the book too. It is interesting, but I have experiences and other people's ideas in my head that don't jibe with what he is saying. He had a really good conversation on Meet The Press(?) one weekend. It was good enough for me to grab the book.
Another book you might be interested in reading is called "The Flight of the Creative Class."
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you mean the public educational systems those on in this thread want to dismantle rather than strengthen....so the poor will be less educated?
India's big difference is that the less educated are allowed to remain poor i.e. young people who don't make a genuine effort to become educated face going through life at a very low standard of living. This is opposed to America's 'guarantee' that regardless of how little effort a young person makes, they will still be provided with a standard of living which is far above that of a typical 'educated' young person in India.
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you mean the public educational systems those on in this thread want to dismantle rather than strengthen....so the poor will be less educated?
Who wants to dismantle it? I'm definitely in favor of strengthening it, though privatization. If we are going to compete globally, we need to improve our education system across the board.
The problem with the public schools today is not a lack of money. If money were the answer, the Washington D.C. school system would be a model for the nation rather than a national disgrace. The problem is as Mr. Hyde says. Our schools have been hijacked for use as laboratories for the experimentation of every pschological fad and the indoctrination of every social "solution" educrats can dream up. The reason Johnny can't read is not that Johnny is stupid, it's because Johnny's teacher spends too much time trying to boost his little self-esteem and make him feel good about himself. Here's a novel idea. Let's teach Johnny to read and do math. I'm betting some real academic achievement would do a hell of a lot more for his little self-esteem than a group hug.
After six weeks of the current school year, I scheduled a parent-teacher conference with my son's science teacher. After six weeks, they had not really done any school work yet, no tests, no real assignments, nothing. When I expressed concern about this the science teacher responded:
"Don't worry Ms. Destiny, we really haven't had time for science yet. The first two weeks we spent on our "All About You" Project (a self-esteem program). The next two weeks, we studied about "Friendship". We're getting to science now."
You can sure as hell bet that while we're busy patting kids on the head and telling them how special they are, the kids in India are actually studying science.
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We do have brain power...Another book you might be interested in reading is called "The Flight of the Creative Class."
Oh, I definitely agree with what you said. While his observations are very interesting, I'm not totally convinced his conclusions are all correct either. I'm not totally pessimistic about the U.S.'s ability to compete, just concerned that we are not taking threats to our economic well-being seriously enough. Plus, as Friedman pointed out, as India's economy has improved, their purchases of U.S. goods have actually increased.
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what a lot of "educated" people in this country don't realize is that a lot of "street" people share a lot of what people in china and india have -- hustle.
a lot of today's college students are just flat out lazy. and those of them that are not, do not know other tactics like networking.
chinese and indian students will put out the extra effort to make their work known and stand out above the rest.
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I agree schoo should return more to the "4 r's" Reading , 'righting, 'rithmatic and RESPONSIBILITY...gotta love a school-related term based on misspellings...and that starts (somewhat) with the parents as much as the teachers.
I had a teacher in school (I was in 6th grade, she also taught K) who had been bitched out by the PRINCIPAL and a parent because of the radical lesson plan : Time and the analog (round face, non digital) clock. Several parents who shall remain clueless were offended THEIR KIDS had to learn (and failed at) analog clock reading. Why? "little johhny doesn't need that skill. We have all digital clocks at home"
Believe it or not, she lost and was reprimanded (permanent file stuff) and little johhny passed.
Idiots all around.
Oh, in college (I went 2 years to an engineering school and got my degree at an arts/media school) the semester before graduation I was informed by the arts/media school I had "no acceptable" math/science courses (despite 2 years of Mechanical Engineering training). Sitting accross from this educrat, who was telling me I needed night courses, reprimanding me and wanting a credit card, I asked: OK, waddya got? Physics 5, Chemisty 6 or Calculus4? Her answer:
'how about algebra and physics for the media?' (by the way, physics for the media basically teaches you that light bounces and radio waves travel at the speed of light, not sound)
I just laughed and walked out...inviting her to have the dean call me if my diploma was really at stake over this.
Never got the call, got the diploma.
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yeah... India is a great country... full of brains and geniuses.... up to 1652 languages... 14 official ones (if it wasn't for English they couldn't communicate between themselves)...80% Hindu, 13% Muslim... not to mention extreme poverty (25% below poverty line) and diseases long extinct in most of the world (like Polio) and ones like Malaria that haven't existed in the US in a hundred years or more. Environmental problems: deforestation; soil erosion; overgrazing; desertification; air pollution from industrial effluents and vehicle emissions; water pollution from raw sewage and runoff of agricultural pesticides; tap water is not potable throughout the country; huge and growing population is overstraining natural resources... they can't even protect the tigers. 60% of the work force is agricultural. Infant mortality is 56 per 1000 (6 per 1000 in the US)... GDP is only $3.3 Trillion (vs. $11 Trillion for the US)...life expectancy is ten or 15 years below the US...only 60 to 64% literacy rate (less than 50% for females) vs. 97% in the US...per capita GDP of only $3200 (ranks 120 out of 190 countries) vs. $40,000 in the US... for a billion people they only have 75 million telephones (7 per every 100 people) vs. 181 million in the US...75 TVs per 1000 people (vs. 844 in the US)...120 radios per 1000 people vs. 2116 per 1000 in the US...newspaper circulation of 60 per 1000 pop. vs. 212 in the US...18 million internet users vs. 160 million in the US despite more than four times the population...5 million passenger cars vs. 221 million in the US...
Use any measure you want...health, environment, economy, education...
"they are kicking our asses" ???!!! haha maybe in 50 years. India is a big part of the third world... nowhere near the first world or super power status.
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ah yes, but India's top 10% of educated, literate, reasonably smart people still represents 100,000,000 potential competent employees, potential employees who are willing to work for a small fraction of normal US pay rates and who are content to achieve a standard of living that US welfare recipients take for granted.
I'll also agree that India and for that matter China will never achieve 'first world' status. However, it is arguable that the fundamental ingredient to establishing 'first world' status in the first place was (neo)colonialism, with the people of the US and Western Europe achieving an unrealistically high standard of living via exploiting the resources and labor of third world countries. Therefore we don't really have to worry about India and China raising their status to that of the 'first world'. What we do have to worry about is the gradual decline of standards of living for many in the US and Western Europe toward 'third world' status.
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India is not kicking our ass, both countries are benefitting from the trade.
And yes, the best thing for education in America would be complete Separation of School and State, an ideal that is far more needed than even the vaunted "Separation of Church and State."
Keep the State out from behind the pulpit and away from the blackboard.
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India is not kicking our ass, both countries are benefitting from the trade.
Yea, right. India gets the science and technology jobs - we get the Walmart jobs and plastic trinkets. What an excellent trade.
That said, until the people in this society start figuring it out, we do get what we deserve. Unfortunately a majority have no idea how to balance their checkbook much less work with macro-economics.
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And yes, the best thing for education in America would be complete Separation of School and State, an ideal that is far more needed than even the vaunted "Separation of Church and State."
Keep the State out from behind the pulpit and away from the blackboard.
Something we DO agree on.
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Keep the State out from behind the pulpit and away from the blackboard.
AAH yes...this theme again. Funny, you never explain how the poor will get educated when all education is privately funded....will little genies appear, or will we have:
extreme poverty (25% below poverty line) ... only 60 to 64% literacy rate ...etc. - the stats Myssi shared about India...
Melonie...I agree the success of the west and issues in "2nd and 3rd" world are from NeoColonialism...glad we found that common ground. Now if we can agree that the 1st world has a responsibility to correct/improve it...
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India still has a Hindu caste system! Though not officially sanctioned, there are four main castes (Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, and Shudras) determined by birth...with subcastes in each... plus an underclass of untouchables. Justice is effectively different for different caste members. "Presently, India has tough laws against individual discrimination on the basis of caste. There is a policy for the socio-economic upliftment of the erstwhile lower castes, by the provision of free education till graduation, reservation of admission seats in institutions for higher education, and a 50% quota in government jobs with faster promotions. In spite of these affirmative actions, identification and discrimination based on castes is quite common in the Indian society. Matrimony between members of different castes is still looked down upon and not very popular. Caste based atrocities are still fairly common in many economically backward states and isolated rural districts."
Arranged marriages are still commonly practiced. And if a dowry (also known as trousseau or Dahej... a payment to take a bride) is not satisfactory, the new bride can be killed. (Dowries were officially outlawed in 1961.) "Families often know that they are virtually signing a death warrant when they give their daughter in marriage, and yet, they do so. The available statistics of dowry death are chilling and disturbing. The practice of dowry abuse is rising in India. The most severe in “bride burning”, the burning of women whose dowries were not considered sufficient by their husband or in-laws. Most of these incidents are reported as accidental burns in the kitchen or are disguised as suicide. The official records of these incidents are low because they are often reported as accidents or suicides by the family. In Delhi, a woman is burned to death almost every twelve hours . The number of dowry murders is increasing. In 1988, 2,209 women were killed in dowry related incidents and in 1990, 4,835 were killed . It is important to reiterate that these are official records, which are immensely under reported. The lack of official registration of this crime is apparent in Delhi, where ninety percent of cases of women burnt were recorded as accidents, five percent as suicide and only the remaining five percent were shown as murder."
"According to Government figures there were a total of 5,377 dowry deaths in 1993, an increase of 12% from 1992. Despite the existence of rigorous laws to prevent dowry-deaths under a 1986 amendment to the Indian Penal Code (IPC), convictions are rare, and judges (usually men) are often uninterested and susceptible to bribery."
In India, 7.1 million attend college... in the US 15 people million do. Only 40% of Indians have completed even the 9th grade... in the US 80% have a high school or greater educational attainment. 51 million Americans have at least a Bachelor's Degree. Only a fraction of 1% of workers in the US work on farms. The 60% of Indian workers can barely feed their own country. The number of people undernourished is actually increasing in India! A nation of great brains indeed.
This is the country that is kicking our ass??? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. I haven't even seen minimal proof of this assertion.
Now Mexico...compare to India. Mexico has 1/10 the population of India... and close to the US in life expectancy... infant mortality 21/1000 (more than twice as low as India)...twice the telephones per capita as India...Mexico has 1.5 times the newpaper circulation per capita as India...5 times the internet usage per capita as India...4 times the TVs per capita as India...3 times the radios per capita as India...a per capita GDP three times higher than India...over twice the passenger cars as India...a 92% literacy rate...and no Polio there.
And China does much better than India too (if these stats are accurate).. 86% literacy...GDP twice India's...TVs 4 times India's...Telephones 4 or 5 times India's...infant mortality half India's...internet users 6 times India...newspaper circulation higher than the US...six times India's...radios almost triple India's rate. By all measures China is kicking India's ass and Mexico is still mostly ahead of China.
In fact, I'd classify India as a whole as a 4th World country, below third worlders like Mexico and China... (I'd put Poland, Ireland, Greece, etc. in the 2nd world)...still not as bad as 5th world countries like Mozambique, etc.
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Melonie...I agree the success of the west and issues in "2nd and 3rd" world are from NeoColonialism...glad we found that common ground. Now if we can agree that the 1st world has a responsibility to correct/improve it...
Ain't gonna happen. Just like calls for reparations to descendants of former southern slaves, too much time has passed, the great great grandson cannot be held responsible for the sins of the great great grandfather, and it would simply cost too much money.
I do agree that something is likely to happen to 'correct' the imbalance. But that something will be more along the lines of a lowering of the current standard of living for "lower class'/'working class' persons in first world countries rather than an improvement in the standard of living for "lower class/working class' persons in third world countries.
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So you agree there's a problem, agree that a solution is needed, but are unwilling to take steps to correct the problem because the problem already exists and it might mean the real costs may need to be paid?
The "great grandson" is responsible when he is actively participating in the creation and worsening of the problem....which modern economy/society s. Therefore, the analogy washes away.
Wow...you're really willing to see more people permanently fall below poverty, a whole new underclass PERMANENTLY created in the US (because access toeducation is limited in the new system...all are NOT created equal) and risk a "revolt against the czar" as we've seen in other economies and societies. Wow.
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Myssi: The title of thread was intended to cause people to think, not as a literal description of the current status. However, India is already a major competitor of ours and will grow in strength in the future. You are fooling youselve if you think the status quo will remain for the next 50 years. Think about the changes in technology in just the last 5 years. Technological change is incredibly fast.
Like most third world countries, there is a huge disparity between the "haves" and the "have nots" in India. This and other factors create some incrediblly strange situations in India; horse-drawn carts rumbling down the same road MicroSoft's offices are on, stuff like that. In the book I'm reading, one Indian executive explains that its easier to send data across the world to the U.S. on a fiber optic cable than it is to make a local phone call. For this reason, while the statistics you mentioned are correct, they don't paint a true picture of the competition we face. As Melonie points out, with a population of just over 1 billion, just the top percentage of anything in India represents a sizeable force. However, its not just the quantity of skilled workers in India, its the quality of those workers. Consider Vinod Khosla, one of the founders of Sun Microsystems. He has stated that his education at one of the Indian Institutes of Technology, where he was granted a bachelors degree was more challenging than pursuing a Masters Degree at Carnegie Mellon University here in the U.S. Having mastered the tedious part of computer programing and things like that, the Indians are steadily moving into very high-tech arenas that will bring them into direct competition with the top firms in the U.S. We'd be very foolish to assume that our dominance of the global markets for this new century is assured.
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Wow...you're really willing to see more people permanently fall below poverty, a whole new underclass PERMANENTLY created in the US (because access toeducation is limited in the new system...all are NOT created equal) and risk a "revolt against the czar" as we've seen in other economies and societies. Wow.
It's not a question of being 'willing' ... it's a question of economic reality. Based on their actual productivity, a great many US citizens do not deserve to be enjoying a lifestyle which is above the 'poverty line' because that lifestyle is directly subsidized via punitive tax rates on productive citizens and businesses. If you go 'the whole route' toward socialism, all that accomplishes is to bring virtually everybody except the 'elite' down to a common level of poverty, since extra effort on the part of any individual will not actually result in that individual's living conditions getting any better.
I do agree that we're ultimately headed for a revolt of some sort over limited financial resources and gov't wanting to redistribute them in ways which benefit certain segments at the expense of other segments. Whether the battle ground actually occurs between old and young, between the 'middle class' and the 'lower class' etc. remains to be seen.
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If you want an anecdotal opinion, I'd say that from what I know of Indian programmers, they range below the Russian, Israeli, European, and Chinese ones. But opinions aside, my fifty year estimate comes from an extrapolation of data from India's own ministry of education. Even their best projections indicate that by 2026 they still won't be anywhere near today's Mexico. I do agree that India has two big pluses: 1) a large population and 2) a large population of English speakers. Considering only countries with an English speaking population (about 107) and crossing that group with the ones that are at least as free economically and socially as India is (86 countries)... taking the resulting 13 that are not first or second worlders (like New Zealand, Ireland, Israel)... subtracting out the very small ones like Mauritius, Dominica, Botswana, Belize, and Jamaica...and those with poor infrastructure and health stats (like South Africa, Ghana)... we are left with only one country: Philippines.
What this indicates is that the US should be doing one critical thing right now if we want to establish a third world proxy.... spread English. Of the above conditions, that is the most limiting. Of course, there are not many countries that come close to India's population. But of the ones that do, they aren't arguably English speakers. To me that is the most important thing India has going for it. We need to be setting up language camps, exporting English media with translations, exporting translators... whatever is necessary. But for the present we ought to go all out to establish top notch educational and technical centers in the one country that does not have all of India's negatives: the Philipines.
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How about they do it in the US?
If they are so capable at creating value, how come they can never get their shit together with before?
This is a new slave trade. You watch, when the Indians, who out number the US citizen 4 - 1 get to uppidy - they powers that be will go looking somewhere else. Just like Nike did with it's plants until it got called on the floor for it.
We are exporting our jobs and importing third world problems and wages.
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If you want an anecdotal opinion, I'd say that from what I know of Indian programmers, they range below the Russian, Israeli, European, and Chinese ones. But opinions aside, my fifty year estimate comes from an extrapolation of data from India's own ministry of education. Even their best projections indicate that by 2026 they still won't be anywhere near today's Mexico. I do agree that India has two big pluses: 1) a large population and 2) a large population of English speakers. Considering only countries with an English speaking population (about 107) and crossing that group with the ones that are at least as free economically and socially as India is (86 countries)... taking the resulting 13 that are not first or second worlders (like New Zealand, Ireland, Israel)... subtracting out the very small ones like Mauritius and Jamaica...and those with poor infrastructure and health stats (like South Africa, Botswana, Ghana)... we are left with only one country: Philippines.
What this indicates is that the US should be doing one critical thing right now if we want to establish a third world proxy.... spread English. Of the above conditions, that is the most limiting. Of course, there are not many countries that come close to India's population. But of the ones that do, they aren't arguably English speakers. To me that is the most important thing India has going for it. We need to be setting up language camps, exporting English media with translations, exporting translators... whatever is necessary. But for the present we ought to go all out to establish top notch educational and technical centers in the one country that does not have all of India's negatives: the Philipines.
I don't think India is going to be content being our "third world proxy". When U.S. businesses were outsourcing a lot of Y2K programming work, the Indians were content to do the grunt work. Now, they have their sights set much higher than that. As far as english. You mentioned before how many different languages are common in India. Actually, that's what makes computer programming come so easy to them. When you grow up speaking two or three languages, one more (computer) is easy. I'm not that familar with The Philipines, so your thoughts are interesting. My impression is that there is a lot of internal strife there.
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How about they do it in the US?
If they are so capable at creating value, how come they can never get their shit together with before?
Because they were stuck in a socialist economic system they are slowly shedding.
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This is a new slave trade. You watch, when the Indians, who out number the US citizen 4 - 1 get to uppidy - they powers that be will go looking somewhere else. Just like Nike did with it's plants until it got called on the floor for it.
Simple manufactuing will always go where the labor is cheapest. We can't compete with third world countries in that area, we shouldn't even try.
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We are exporting our jobs and importing third world problems and wages.
People complain about all the call centers being moved to India. Yet those same call center workers in India are using computers running MicroSoft Windows on Intel processors. We lose some, we gain some. Overall, U.S. exports to India are way up over the last few years.
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I don't think India is going to be content being our "third world proxy". When U.S. businesses were outsourcing a lot of Y2K programming work, the Indians were content to do the grunt work. Now, they have their sights set much higher than that. As far as english. You mentioned before how many different languages are common in India. Actually, that's what makes computer programming come so easy to them. When you grow up speaking two or three languages, one more (computer) is easy. I'm not that familar with The Philipines, so your thoughts are interesting. My impression is that there is a lot of internal strife there.
Computer programming comes no easier to them speaking multiple languages than it does to europeans who speak multiple languages. I speak multiple languages even and I am in the US!
What got them the contracts was they spoke ENGLISH. They were CHEAP. And anything that can be done in front of a keyboard/screen can be done there as well as it is done here. (Think about how many "skilled" jobs that covers.) A cable hooked into the back of a computer - is a cable - is a cable.
Now, there is a question of quality about what gets typed into the keyboard, but the work can certainly be done over there. After all, management in the US LOVES the 80/20 rule. It turns out to be a compounding tool also, decreasing quality all the way down. But that is another thread.
In short, if you want a high paying job - make sure it is something that has nothing to do with a computer - because if the computer enables you - it can be done over seas just as well. Excuse me while I oil my plumber's wrench. Oh wait, the illegals got the key in the building trades. Guess I will fire up my grow lights.
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Because they were stuck in a socialist economic system they are slowly shedding.
They still have corruption up the wha-zoo and scarce resources. They have no velocity of money because they don't want to pay anything for anything there. The same way it is becoming here in the US.
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Simple manufactuing will always go where the labor is cheapest. We can't compete with third world countries in that area, we shouldn't even try.
Don't let me catch you complaining about how you have to suck dick because porn is so prevalent and girls come into the clubs looking to score a couple of extra dollars.
If you cannot compete with the increased service and capabilities of those "extra" girls then get out of the business.
Or maybe the "economic system" needs to have a little more restraint about where it goes.
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People complain about all the call centers being moved to India. Yet those same call center workers in India are using computers running MicroSoft Windows on Intel processors. We lose some, we gain some. Overall, U.S. exports to India are way up over the last few years.
India is also among number one for pirated technology.
Call centers use to be "skilled" jobs for welfare "bums" who "educated up."
We saw how that worked out eh?
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What got them the contracts was they spoke ENGLISH. They were CHEAP. And anything that can be done in front of a keyboard/screen can be done there as well as it is done here. (Think about how many "skilled" jobs that covers.) A cable hooked into the back of a computer - is a cable - is a cable.
Okay, you're right. Since they are willing to "anything that can be done in front of a keyboard/screen" for less that we are, how do you suggest we compete?
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In short, if you want a high paying job - make sure it is something that has nothing to do with a computer - because if the computer enables you - it can be done over seas just as well. Excuse me while I oil my plumber's wrench. Oh wait, the illegals got the key in the building trades. Guess I will fire up my grow lights.
Wrong, how many high-paying jobs are there that have "nothing to do with a computer"? If you want a high-paying job, you had damn well bring some brain power to the table. Take accounting, which can be a tedious task. The Indian accountants will do the basic number crunching for a lot less than American accountants. They are already preparing thousands of American tax returns in India now. How will American accountants compete? By offering more sophisticated services, such as estate planning, tax minimization plans, wealth preservation advice, stuff like that.
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They still have corruption up the wha-zoo
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and scarce resources.
Wrong, they have few natural resources. The most important resource any country has is it's brain power. That's where America has to do better to stay on top.
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Don't let me catch you complaining about how you have to suck dick because porn is so prevalent and girls come into the clubs looking to score a couple of extra dollars.
If you cannot compete with the increased service and capabilities of those "extra" girls then get out of the business.
I provide a decent life for my son and me thank you, and do so without sounding embittered and disheartened the way you do.
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Or maybe the "economic system" needs to have a little more restraint about where it goes.
Yeah, the government should just pass more laws, that always helps.
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India is also among number one for pirated technology.
Wanna bet that their attitudes change as they start producing more of their own?