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"What do I get in the Champagne room?"
When I promote the champagne room, this question always arises. I try to make it alluring without being specific but all they want to know are 'Can I touch you here' 'What about BJ's?' :( I just say massage and they automatically lose interest.
We're a topless only club and the champagne room has a glass door, booths with opened curtains and probably cameras. I'm willing to give a small bit of mileage but I don't want to compromise or do extras or be in trouble with the management.
Does anyone have any strategies? Should I give tamer lap dances and promise them more contact in the Champagne room? :-\
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This is a hard one... I just started doing this and it seems to work pretty well- If i'm wearing booty shorts with a g underneath, I just keep the shorts on during the lapdance and tell them that they "come off" in the VIP room. Sounds stupid but guys really think "oohh I get to see a little bit more... works especially well if your ass is one of your best "assets"!
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Save your best dances for VIP. "We can do a much better dance in there..." with a coy/sly smile.
Although if someone directly asks about sex/BJ I always say that doesn't happen, "it's just a strip club". If they are strictly looking for sex I don't want to take them back because it won't be a good experience for either of us. I'd rather not have their money in that case.
Some of them are just trying to get you to tell them how hot it's gonna be, etc. You could always try the "come with me you'll have a great time" while you take their hand to lead them back routine. I see that working alot.
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In any type of sales, you use 90% emotion and back it up then with 10% of your presentation being logic. The higher you play on the emotional trigger, the greater your level of success. There are times though that you need to use the Logic strategy, and to buffer it, sugar-coat it with emotion. For example, words you should be using to describe the VIP room play on emotions. For example, a good pitch should be, "In the VIP room, it is much more intimate, so you won't have other guys gawking at us while I'm giving you the most amazing dance imaginable." Should you get the guys asking about BJs and such, just use a strategy of logic that's laced with emotion such as, "I am allowed to do a much more private dance for you in the VIP room as opposed to on the floor, but with the glass wall and security cameras, I'd rather not risk going to jail tonight and I'm sure you wouldn't either. Imagine how much fun we can have by just me giving you some extremely private dances as opposed to you having to share a jail cell for the night. I think the answer is obvious, so let's go!"
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Geez DW, you've got summa the corniest lines! LOL
I have to ask. Would these lines actually work on YOU? :P
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I'm SOOOOO using that line tonight!
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dancerwealth, i should try that. pretty much all the guys in my club expect extras due to the 'jack shacks' nearby.
the other night, one guy said 'yes' to a vip and then didnt want to go. he accused me of trying to 'hustle' him and acted like an a**hole. my reply: ' i brought you into vip for a half hour of wonderful versus 2 songs of pretty good. you get what you paid for. if you buy a beat-up dodge neon with 3 wheels and no transmission for $200, you get a crappy car. you buy a new mercedes, for $50,000, the car's gonna last. get what i'm saying? if i was trying to 'hustle' you, i woulda grabbed your wallet, insisted you could buy not only a vip, but 5 crack rocks from me and ran out of the room with it' he laughed. said he was sorry he really didnt have the $$$ but found me very hard to resist. he even let me peek in his wallet to prove it (and no, no debit or atm card either). asked me to please not steal his wallet jokingly and bought 5 dances with the only $ he had left.
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for the champaign vip room 250 a half hr /400 hr..i just usually say something like DW wrote above and it does work.....but i word it differently and im very flirty and sweet when i say it......."we could have lots of fun up there and we will be ALLLL alone! Nobody is up there and no one is watching and we get a big glass of strawberries, grapes and cheese , and i do a sexy strawberry and grape dance" LOL. :D all i do is feed him the fruit and champaign then he feeds me the fruit during my dances
i get my money up front for the half hour and i dance the whole time i am up there then when the 30 mins is up i ask him if he wants me to keep on dancing for the next 30 mins and if he says yes then i get the rest afterwards.
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When upselling in a club I find that a customer whom has an obvious attraction to me and whom by probing seems to have some cash is the best type to lure into the "higher priced" areas. If this type of connection is lacking, it is better to stick to pushing the $20 dances and try to sell multiple ones.
This vulnerable Champagne Room type of customer is "emotion struck" and not the type of guy who is a strip club pro with $400 in his pocket, who will only go for the upsell if he is guaranteed to get more than a dance.
Angel 1112 your way of wording it gets the guys imagination running wild and if you are in a club where contact is known to exist and the guy is not a regular, you may lead him to believe that he will get more because you are not telling him up front he won't.
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Had a nice champagne room experience a couple of nights ago. Custy just wanted to chat and some shiatsu :)
/:O
Has anyone had this an experience like this?
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Luring into VIP, Champagne Room, Top Level, Max Lux, whatever it is called takes a good salesmanship on part of the performer. People coming in and talked into going into these rooms haves hopes of getting something not offered on the dance floor.
And to be honest, I have offered a little more. But as they say, once bitten twice shy.
One the people know what to expect, they are not likely to take the hook again so easily.
Now, the rest of the story.
Was working as a temp at a "club". Man walks up and says he wants me to go with him to the "garden". Told him about my status. Said, no matter, he still wanted me.
Told him Ok, lets go. Did my stuff. Got paid. Gave the club its cut.
Next night, different man, same story. Refered to by first man.
Next night, differnet man, same story, etc, etc. Refered to by first man.
Next to last night, saw the first man again, he came up, and said he could have gotten better else . Oh well, see ya later. Can't do no more for no more money.
Last night, owner offers me a regular job, salary with commision.
No I'm strictly a free lance, don't work no place longer than a month.
So much for my experience with "VIP" room. Make a little more money, but heck, after all the time involved, rather clean tables.
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God, I get asked this so many times, and it sickens me because we have girls that do bjs. The hosts hooks them up and it's the worst. I always want to know how to work around this while still closing the sale, because our club has more than a few girls doing extras... and on top of that, our doors are not glass, they are solid wood doors..
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Originally Posted by DancerWealth
Should you get the guys asking about BJs and such, just use a strategy of logic that's laced with emotion such as, "I am allowed to do a much more private dance for you in the VIP room as opposed to on the floor, but with the glass wall and security cameras, I'd rather not risk going to jail tonight and I'm sure you wouldn't either. Imagine how much fun we can have by just me giving you some extremely private dances as opposed to you having to share a jail cell for the night. I think the answer is obvious, so let's go!"
ehhh
to each thier own hustle i say.
Im all for humor,but not excuses.
This outline sounds like an excuse for not being able to give a blow job is because the cameras and the glass windows where everyone can see.
Then the next pitch is "how private and intimate"it will be if we go back.
You just told him how everyone would see?
If someone ask for a blowjob,chances are you dont want to take him back there anyways.
Walk away from the insult so it doesnt piss you off and fuck with your hustle,pass the word to the other girls.
If its early,and your still in a good mood,go ahead and put your foot down,make no mistakes about it,leave no doubt in his mind.
You can be as funny about it as you want,but dont let him think its still possible,even in the least bit.
Who needs the drama at the end of the VIP when you ask for your money and he says"ummmmmerrrrr wheres my hummer?"
I dunno,just sounds to much like fooling or tricking the customer this way imo.
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Those "special" rooms have always been a big money maker for the managers and owners. Wherever I have worked clubs, I was always required to "drag" so many customer into these rooms Promise of more intimate contacts always lured them. Sometimes delivered on the promise to a degree, and sometimess not.
Those rooms mainly exist to add money to club's pocket. That's all I ever saw to them.
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ehhh
I dunno,just sounds to much like fooling or tricking the customer this way imo.
It has nothing to do with excuses or tricking the customer. The reality is:
1. You have a customer willing to spend money and;
2. You are not willing to sell him the specific service he wants and;
3. Sell him what's available.
The bottom line is, he needs to know WHY it's not going to happen...this has nothing to do with excuses, it's just reality. Once that's established, sell him on what is up for sale, and that's a few dances in the VIP room for a few hundred bucks. If a customer is waiving money at you, it's your fault for not taking it. That doesn't mean you have to compromise your self-respect to do it though.
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It has nothing to do with excuses or tricking the customer.
Your probably correct,this is just how im seeing it.
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1. You have a customer willing to spend money and;
No,what you have is a custie telling the entertainer what he wants,not whats on the menu.There is NO selling involved.
Its kinda like walking into Pizza Hut and ordering a Big Mac,only here,he ACTUALLY has a chance at getting a big mac served to him if he asks the right waitress..
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2. You are not willing to sell him the specific service he wants and;
From your response,it sounds to me like your making an excuse for not providing the big mac,but would if it wasnt so "In the open".
Or,"come on in the VIP room and we can discuss it further"
Your response doesnt say NO,its says ,lets go private and we can see.
Your response suggest you are willing,just not able, imo.
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3. Sell him what's available.
well,thats the general idea,but your response puts down every reason for them to go into vip,because its the same reasons why they wont be getting a hummer back there.
Your putting down the VIP dance when your saying No to a blowjob,that doesnt make very good selling sence to me imo.
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The bottom line is, he needs to know WHY it's not going to happen...this has nothing to do with excuses, it's just reality.
I disagree.
The bottom line is he wont be getting a blow job,why does he need to know why???
The asking is an insult.
When does a woman ever have to give a "why"to a no blowjob night,in ANY situation??
If you tell him "why",you put down the vip dance dont you??
Everyone is watching?
the cameras are on?
The doors are glass?
The doorguy will see?
etc etc...
All the reasons your listing for not getting a blow job cant alla sudden be turned around for the good when talking about a vip dance in the same sentence imo.
It doesnt add up to me imo,and wont add up to any real life custie,drunk or not.
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Once that's established, sell him on what is up for sale, and that's a few dances in the VIP room for a few hundred bucks. If a customer is waiving money at you, it's your fault for not taking it. That doesn't mean you have to compromise your self-respect to do it though.
Thats just it,nothin is established.
With your line,the custie is still thinking "something" extra is going to happen.
Its a leading line that works great for the movies,but doesnt work in the real world where custies will be pissed because nothing really happens in the champagne room.
Then the doorguys gotta get involved because the custie doesnt wanna pay.
Let the games begin!!!!
Dont dance around the issue ladies,your a dancer!!!
Let there be no mistakes,no blowjobs in the vip room.
If a man ask you for a blowjob during a VIP,walk away!
If he ask you for a blowjob,doesnt matter what the fuck you say,creative or not,paid for schooling or not,If you still do a dance for him,and DONT make it perfectly clear about the blowjob,no matter what you spout out,he is STILL GOING TO THINK YER GONNA BLOW HIM IF YOU DO A LAPDANCE FOR HIM.
If you dont say,"sorry dude,I aint gonna suck your dick for a million dollars"
He still thinks there is a chance.
Walk away,you dont need the money or the drama.
If you do need the money,make sure,without a shadow of a doubt,he wont be getting his dick sucked at the end of the VIP dance.
If you really really need the money,suck his dick after the 3rd VIP.
Its all good and up to you,just gimmie my 10%.
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well, i have thought this issue out a bit m'self....
first of all, know your customer... the sale usually happens in the first 5 minutes... some guys like the coy tease, and some guys like it straight up... you gotta know how to size him up instantly or you will lose the play anyway...
second, if you decide to lead him on, be aware that it can be a dangerous game... not only can you lose your money, you can end up with a really pissed off customer... too bad, so sad... but watch your rearview mirror on the way home... you never know who might be psycho enuf to tail you to get what he wanted....
third, know what your style is... if you cant play the game, dont try... if you arent in the mood, dont try... im really not good at playing coy and i know it, so i just walk away... sometimes i dont make the money the other girls do, oh well... but i DO get those straight up and honest guys and i "never" worry about watching my back, because they are there to defend it!
and fourth, (maybe this should be first!), know where your limits are... just what are you willing to do for a buck or two?... what are you willing to do for a regular?.... and word DOES get around....
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Originally Posted by Angel1112
for the champaign vip room 250 a half hr /400 hr..i just usually say something like DW wrote above and it does work.....but i word it differently and im very flirty and sweet when i say it......."we could have lots of fun up there and we will be ALLLL alone! Nobody is up there and no one is watching and we get a big glass of strawberries, grapes and cheese , and i do a sexy strawberry and grape dance" LOL. :D all i do is feed him the fruit and champaign then he feeds me the fruit during my dances
i get my money up front for the half hour and i dance the whole time i am up there then when the 30 mins is up i ask him if he wants me to keep on dancing for the next 30 mins and if he says yes then i get the rest afterwards.
I like this answer. CR dances *are* much more fun. I truly believe that. There is lots of space to do your thing and no one's bugging you.
As for BJs, if a custy asks, say no. Don't f*ck around. Let him know that you are not a hooker. I usually say, with a furrowed brow, "Are you calling me a prostitute?" Watch the reaction. If he is decent guy who just got caught up in the fantasy, he would be insanely apologetic. He would be embarrassed to have insulted your goddess-ness.
You can still sell this guy and show him why a fantasy with an entertainer is much better than reality with a prostitute.
If he doesn't grovel, have him kicked out.
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Ha ha! I like that one Lizette. Totally puts them in their place. I get that question all the time, sadly, and depending on my mood I'm nice about it, or not, but in either case I walk away. The guys that are asking you are not guys who want a dance, they are guys who want more. I have never, never had a guy get a dance after I have told him that I don't do extras. Ever.
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As for BJs, if a custy asks, say no. Don't f*ck around. Let him know that you are not a hooker. I usually say, with a furrowed brow, "Are you calling me a prostitute?" Watch the reaction. If he is decent guy who just got caught up in the fantasy, he would be insanely apologetic. He would be embarrassed to have insulted your goddess-ness.
You can still sell this guy and show him why a fantasy with an entertainer is much better than reality with a prostitute.
If he doesn't grovel, have him kicked out.
Nothing wrong with prostitution behind closed doors. Well, nothing right either. But Lizette is dead on...if he mentions BJ, don't even fucking bother. I've dealt with more of these types in Houston than most of you ever have. Once he mentions a sexual act, he's NOT going to be worth the money...unless you are willing to do it...which is fine if its part of the club culture.....
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I agree with Katrine. Next time a guy mentions sexual acts then I'm just not going to bother selling him the champagne room.
:D
Had a champagne room last night where I just danced, talked dirty and video games. I must be doing something right!
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Luvbuniz,
As a customer I visited centerfolds in SF last year and met a dancer I would call my ATF. She took me down to the 'rooms' for a 4 song dance and it was awesome...she was a cute little italian woman with a great smile and personality. I let her do her dance for me and later she came back for the next 4 fer 1 but told her that I would want to do 'the work', she wondered what that meant and I explained we just both lay there and I do the massaging (nothing sexual). She LOVED it...the following week I was back in town and stopped in, she ran over to me and jumped in my lap. I asked her if she remembered who I was, her response was, "oh yeah!!" She asked if she could take me to the 'rooms' on the next 4 fer 1 and do "the same thing". I happily obliged. Best experience in a SC I've ever had and it wasn't very sexual (unless of course if you count her lying there naked). Last time I went to SF I stopped in there and they said she moved to the east coast. Unfortunately I will never see her again...makes all my SC experiences kind of boring now but what a great experience to remember. So to answer your question, yes there are other dancers who have experienced that (at least I can name one).
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oooh, I have some custies that do that for me, I LOVE It. I even have guys to pay me to give them neck massages - they say I have great hands. :D Could be BS but it sounds good and they seem to like it.
Miss R
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"What do I get in the CHampagne Room?"
BLUE BALLS
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I also love when custies give massages. Now im thinking of brushing up on my massage skills for a more creative way to sell. I love massages in general because it makes for such an intimate encounter ,that I can be comfortable with. If a guy told you that you have great hands, It could most definitley be true. In and out of the strip club enviroment ,I can always distinguish between the guys with great hands(great massages) and ok hands(ok massages).