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If you have knowledge of Islam please help
Being that the description of the lounge is to " let your hair down and talk about whatever" there should be no problem with this request, particularly since another religion has recently been discussed at length here in the lounge
I am posting this to request that the site members who have first hand knowledge of the teachings of Islam please add your knowledge to the following thread :
I am attemtping to have a thread in Poo which expell the negative misconceptions commonly held about the Islamic faith and Muslim people in general.
Thanks in advance to those who participate in educating others on the true teachings of Islam !
:peace:
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TerpsichoreToo, that's an excellent idea. Thanks.
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I think it's a great idea as well. The Lounge is pretty much a place to relax and chat about whatever you'd like that isn't stripping-related. A lot of people could benefit from a discussion about Islam, since current events have pretty much turned it into something horrible. Learning the truth may help some.
As always, discussions about any religion could go bad. But as long as it's kept civil and open there shouldn't be a problem.
One thing that helps me with any topic that I feel strongly about, is that when someone posts something that gets my blood boiling.. I take a break, go outside and have a cig. If I still want to reply, I find I can do it much more calmly after the break. It's not a bad idea for others to exercise the same method, especially when it comes to religion.
We've discussed just about every other religion, so go for it! Like I said, it could help people to understand that one a little better, including myself. I know nothing of it and would be willing to read a bit on it.
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Originally Posted by TerpsichoreToo
I am attemtping to have a thread in Poo which expell the negative misconceptions commonly held about the Islamic faith and Muslim people in general.
Well, your request asking people who might say anything critical of Islam to stay out of that thread ought to do it.
This is of course ignoring the fact that particular forum was provided for debate and discussion. I'm not sure why some people can't grasp the concept that you can't exactly have that (nor an entirely truthful thread) when dissenting opinions are bound and gagged.
Oh by the way TL, welcome back. You've been missed. :wave:
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Originally Posted by cinammonkisses
Wow, I really appreciate this thread. I know that alot of people on SW won't even take the time out to read it all. They would rather keep up with their usual ASSumptions.
Or, as my ex-brother in law used to say, "It is MY opinion, and it is very true."
In one of my rare serious moments, I began looking into websites concerning the subject of Islam, and began corresponding with a couple of people who not only were Islamic, but also very, very funny. Leave it to me to try to do something serious, and stumble into a group of Islamic Comedians(-ennes). Yes, they do exist. A humorous outlook can diffuse a lot of problems.
Their site is at http://www.islamicaweb.com/
This is extremely rare. I never give out my sources of the bad jokes I deliver.
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Originally Posted by doc-catfish
Well, your request asking people who might say anything critical of Islam to stay out of that thread ought to do it.
Well, after the way the Scientology "debate" turned into a shouting match, I can see why she woudl want to keep the comments productive, not critical.
The purpose of her post is, I think, to present a bit of information and then invite people to ask questions, comment, share experiences, and so on. I believe she is corect in assuming that once somebody posts "ISLAM SUCKS!" (and it would only be a matter of time until somebody did jsut that) the whole thread woudl go right to pieces.
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So critical comments cannot be productive? I dispute that. That goes against the very purpose of dialogue.
If you want a monolithic viewpoint expressed, there's plenty of places that do that. If you want discussion, then be prepared to field a possibly contrary response to the point you're making.
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Oh by the way TL, welcome back. You've been missed.
No, she wasn't.
And how many psuedonyms is she going to take, believing that none of us know who is posting?
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Originally Posted by Casual Observer
No, she wasn't.
And how many psuedonyms is she going to take, believing that none of us know who is posting?
:O again?
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ok, let me restate that. I think the point is to keep the comments porductive, not childish, sniping, and anti-productive. That is closer to what I meant to say.
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So if we are going to talk about islam,are we not supposed to address the issue of the Quran,and the fact that generations are born and raised into beliving that they should kill all non belivers,even wait in ambush??
How do you discuss something with someone who teaches thier children and all followers to kill me and mine??
IMO,rewrite the sarah's in the quran,or continue on with the same war thats been going on for 2000 years,only now,know that non islamic countries have bigger guns and more of them and patience runs thin.
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Interesting thread. Thanks for posting. :)
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Great topic ! Thanks for taking the time to post all that information. Because reading some of the comments such as the ones in post #11, I can see why some light needs to be shed on the subject.
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Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
So if we are going to talk about islam,are we not supposed to address the issue of the Quran,and the fact that generations are born and raised into beliving that they should kill all non belivers,even wait in ambush??
How do you discuss something with someone who teaches thier children and all followers to kill me and mine??
IMO,rewrite the sarah's in the quran,or continue on with the same war thats been going on for 2000 years,only now,know that non islamic countries have bigger guns and more of them and patience runs thin.
Oh, that is just so ignorant, and just not TRUE. Please...people instead of posting you "opinions" please post some facts!
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umm dont know how i stumbled across this thread BUT
listening to both sides in this thread everyones got a point. HOWEVER....acceptance does not mean approval, and everyones entitled to their opinion....sometimes people should think first about whether or not they should express their opinions, but you cant just shut people up or call them intolerant if they dont agree with you. i agree with Jay Zeno....everyone should be prepared to take oposition with tolerance, not respond in anger....oppose but be prepared to defend....
i dont want someone telling me that if i disagree with somthing or dont like something for a certain reason that im intolerant and should shutup.....freedom of speech right! (obviously there are exceptions like when your freedom infringes on someone elses...)
whatever you guys get the point i hope.....
thats my 2p.
and if someone does clear up the "truth" about Islam then please do! cause its really unclear.......
peace out
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Most people don't realize that the Muslims are historically one of the most tolerant peoples, especially in the case of religon. They believed that Christians, Jews and themselves were all linked in their biblical heritage (as the three are all Abrahamic) and simply disagreed on prophets and messiahs.
Unfortunately, today's world judges the enite religion on the basis of extremists. A course in world religons would do everybody good.
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Originally Posted by cinammonkisses
Oh, that is just so ignorant, and just not TRUE. Please...people instead of posting you "opinions" please post some facts!
kill all non belivers,even wait in ambush.
kill all non belivers describes wars fought over the last few HUNDRED years(thousands really)
wait in ambush is the excuse they use to kill women and children on buses or at the market.
Islam is the excuse they will use to kill YOU when they see your avatar or find out your a stripper,your ankles and hair is showing sweety.
people can destort what the quran says,you can even find all the parts about peace,but you will never be able to erase the part where it says to kill me and mine,till they do,guess what,my kind will always be on the defensive.
let the elected officials play PC when describing the role of islam in the problems of the world today,im just a retired sc dj,i dont have to.
(and since this wondered out of poo(a place i dont venture anymore)guess what,you get general population responses.
Islams kill americans so they can sit with a bunch of virgins next to allah.
Thats just fuckin fact,and they justify it with a sarah or passage in the quran.rewrite it,easy.
Untill they are taught that its wrong to think like that,guess what,Islamic people will continue to be shit on in this country.
God help the innocent if another 9/11 happens here and not in london.
There wont be a mosque left standing in this country and islamics will feel the same wrath that the jews did in Germany in the 30-40's.
Clean the house of islam,stop making excuses.
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^ why would you even say something like that about an ENTIRE belief system. do you even know anything about islam? looks like you don't...not all muslim (sp) people...in fact most muslim people don't think or feel that way at all.
the philosophy of the path has nothing to do with the JACKASSES that kill 'in the name of God'...murder goes against divine law and God is not down with that...
anyway...i'm with ms hardkandee (sp) on this one.
islam, judaism (sp), and christianity all came from the hebrew religion...they are 'the son's of abraham' as some would call it. that's why a lot of the philosophies of each are similar...they each just branched off from the original hebrew religion...for whatever reason. similar to the MANY different denominations in christianity...
that's all i really know.
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For what it's worth:
Yes, there are some of the Islamic faith who teach their children to perform these violent acts. No doubt about it. It is easy to form stereotypes, and I'm as guilty as anyone. However, I have a neighbor who breaks just about every stereotype I can think of regarding this issue.
First of all, the neighbor is Moslem. He is of Lebanese, or even possibly Syrian, ancestry, but is a second generation American. He's pretty much a peaceful type, although he reacted the way many Americans did on 9/11. He wasn't just upset, he was angry. He was ready to fly over and make any country that harbored terrorists into a parking lot.
I attribute much of that reaction to the fact that he is a retired Marine colonel, highly decorated, and lost a son in Desert Storm. There are those of the Islamic faith who are just as angry, and just as proud to be Americans. Not all of them are gun-toting, suicide bombing terrorists.
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Originally Posted by MsTopaz
^ why would you even say something like that about an ENTIRE belief system. do you even know anything about islam? looks like you don't...not all muslim (sp) people...in fact most muslim people don't think or feel that way at all.
lol yes i do know.
Maybe you should study up on it.
Thats why I can say it,regardless of what anyone belives or who they call friends,or if someone is trying to be PC or not in an attempt to sell gas or not hurt someones feelings..
fact is fact.
The fact is,the quran says to kill all non belivers,even to wait in ambush.
That means you,that means me,that means anyone else in the world who isnt islamic,or doesnt want to be.
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the philosophy of the path has nothing to do with the JACKASSES that kill 'in the name of God'...murder goes against divine law and God is not down with that...
the "path"is to kill all non belivers,as its written in the quran.
The "jackasses"are the ones who dont see that,or pretend it doesnt exist.
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anyway...i'm with ms hardkandee (sp) on this one.
islam, judaism (sp), and christianity all came from the hebrew religion
again,more PC religion bullshit.
Islam was started by Military Generals beliving thier country was going to be overrun.They needed something to rally the people.
Check that,again,its more FACT and not PC bullshit.
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that's all i really know.
Then you need to study more imo.
Your opinions and ideas about it may change if you know the truth.
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Basically what everyone is trying to say BG is that we apparently are wrong and need to agree with everyone else...not me.
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^ I agree. This thread was originally started to request commentary on the thread in poo anyhow. NOT to start a "discussion" on Islam in the Lounge. It almost seemed like...bait.
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Right-O.. It's off to Poo we go!
Dive in there, ya'll!
Rhia <~ Who still can't get used to saying "Ya'll" ::le sigh::
(I agree, Saph.. It's very bait-ish)
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Second thought.. Since there's already a few discussions on Islam existing in Poo already, I'm just going to close this.
Thanks for participating, all. If you want to continue the discussion, bring it to one of the threads in Poo.