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The daunting group of men
Hi ladies,
When approaching a group of men at a table, how does one know which man to go to talk to? Is it that you target one man or should you address the whole table?
I am new to this, i havent started dancing yet but the thought of trying to sell myself to a whole TABLE of men is daunting.. any ideas or tips for me please?
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Talk to the entire table. You will immediately become "the girl" of the group and have instant popularity. After about 5-10 minutes, ask them who wants to be first in line for a few dances. There will be a taker. And then another and another. Eventually one of them will pick you to be "his girl" and you can take him to the champagne room.
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What kind of conversation woul you make for 5 - 10 minutes? Like, "whats the occasion"??? lol... I have no clue, I have looked through the hustle hut and havent really come up with any conversational ideas...?
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Some observations... and a customer's perspective
Men will usually come to a SC in a group due to some occassion, a bucks turn, a birthday or when entertaining business clients from outback/ interstate when they come to visit.
Guess your best bet as to who to tackle, is to ask if you can join the group and find out the occasion. If its a buck's turn, the buck is usually a good target and his mates are more than likely to shout him a dance if he is a tight arse.
In terms of the business clients, we would not be there (in a large group) unless one or a couple of guys in the group wanted to visit a Strip club. If you ask "what brings you here today?" you will probably find out who was the most keen within the group.. (we dob in our mates)..
I probably entertain/ drop in with a different group to a SC about twice a month and would come in with about 4- 6 guys, but have yet to see more than two guys (at the most) go off for a dance with one girl...
Having said that, I have seen one girl dance for 4-6 guys at the same time... but it does not seem to be that common out here in Oz. It is more common to see a couple of girls dance for a whole group..... ie. Perhaps you stand a better chance if you gang up with someone (hunt in a pack), ...if you want the whole group!
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Thanks Luke, its good advice, luckily my sister will be doing this with me so perhaps being isters we will do a lot better together... this is all so terrifying... i will probably start stuttering on my first day! lol
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You will be fine... being new has a charm of its own ... Good luck!
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Yes, you definitely want to become the dancer for the table, but one way to help identify the who to target is to watch how drinks are ordered. Is one person picking up the tab? Is there one guy who's being bought for by the rest of his buddies? Is everyone on their own? Also, helps to have a waitress friend who can help locate the spenders in the group.
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So the real spender would be the one buying all the drinks and the least would be when all the guys chip in for the drinks???
I will do my utmost to make friends with the waitresses... my sister is also going to be the hostess so that should also aid in promoting me...
Do men prefer blondes or brunettes and I have short hair, is it better to get a hairopiece or a wig at all? Or are there some men who will still get a short haired girl to dance?
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Who is buying the drinks doesn't always give you an indication as to why they are there though. Guys come in groups to a club for two reasons. Either due to an event (bachelor party, birthday party, etc.) or because it's just "guys night out". The best and easiest way to figure this out is just ask! When you walk up to the group, the first words out of your mouth should be, "So, what brings you guys into the club tonight?". They will either say, "Well, we just wanted a night out of some fun, that's it" or they will say, "Oh, Bob here is getting married this weekend!". There, nuff said. So, depending on which of the two it is, will depend on your strategy of selling to them.
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Originally Posted by Francois
What kind of conversation woul you make for 5 - 10 minutes? Like, "whats the occasion"??? lol... I have no clue, I have looked through the hustle hut and havent really come up with any conversational ideas...?
I always run out of conversation here, too. What do you say to them for 5 whole minutes??? YIPES!!
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DancerWealth has it right, of course. Also, try to scan the group from a vantage point ahead of time, see who might be receptive to dancer advances.
If its less obvious, I introduce myself to everyone with a handshake, and definately make meaningful eye contact with each one. Knowing great one-liners and witty comebacks is key here. The guys want to look like studs to their friends. You don't want to let them laugh at you nor do you want to be a bitch. You ARE THE PARTY GIRL! (Think drunk girl from SNL, oh c'mon, just a lil, just do it for me ;) )
Groups also need a bit more time to have drinks and unwind, aka "guy time". UNLESS its a bach party, then go in for the kill quickly, since they will be wanting a variety of girls for their bachelor.
Don't waste your time gathering up other girls. If they want the money, they can get it themselves. Every time I've ever done that, the guys didn't like the girls I brought, or the girls just sat there like lumps or shit, or I took too long convincing them to even come around.
Take care of you first!
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Originally Posted by DancerWealth
"Oh, Bob here is getting married this weekend!". .
Look at Bob, and proclaim very loudly, "CONGRATULATIONS, AND I'M SORRY!!!!" Then jump in Bob's lap.
If you rock out hard dancing for the first guy, there's a good chance that several others will want a dance too. You can "pull a train" on them, hahaha!!!
Also, drunk guys buy each other dances, tip you while you are dancing for one of the buddies, and sometimes double pay. Depending on your sense of scruples, you can really bank.
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Originally Posted by Katrine
Depending on your sense of scruples, you can really bank.
So, you really bank? Huh, Kat?:P
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Originally Posted by Francois
Do men prefer blondes or brunettes and I have short hair, is it better to get a hairopiece or a wig at all? Or are there some men who will still get a short haired girl to dance?
Its impossible to say whether men prefer blondes or brunettes. You should always go with what suits you and what you feel comfortable with. As for a hairpiece, I had the same debate with myself as, when I started dancing I had very short dark hair. I did eventually end up wearing both a hairpiece and a wig at different points. Now not only have I grown my hair but Ive also had extensions and dyed it blonde. To be honest I do make more money with longer hair and in my experience guys do tend to prefer me wit this look. However, there is nothing worse than a cheap hairpiece or badly fitting wig, so if you do go for this option please choose carefully.
Above all, I think that men love confident women. As long as you are happy and confident with how you look then you will probably make money.
Good luck and remember to justkeep smiling,
x
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Wow, Francois....What are South African strip clubs like?????
Have you visited any? Sorry to jack the thread, but I'm curious!
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otay.......
More free advice,with no hidden fee's or additional charges in the future...
In any group of men,doesnt matter if your talking about a group of guys fishing,shootin hoops,at a strip club,or sitting in a circle at a knittin party.
There is always alpha male.
ALWAYS!
There is always one guy in charge.
If you watch for a sec before you approach(not always the right approach)you will have a hard time NOT seeing who is the alpha male "ring leader".
ALOT OF TIMES,HE DOEST HAVE THE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But he IS the one telling the person who DOES,how to spend the money.
Thats your target,the alpha male in the group.
Get him,and any money the rest of the pions have is yours already,they just have not given it to you yet.
Its just like highschool ladies,fuck with the quarterback,the team is yours.
The moment the quarterback isnt getting play,he suggest a different playing field/club down the road.
Guess who the pions follow out the door???
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Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
(not always the right approach)
ok so heres the other side,again,at no additional charge,and as always,with no hidden fees in the future.......
Fuck alpha male.
Your alpha female(at least you should be when attempting this profession)
Dive into the group and fuckin IGNORE alpha male!!!!!
::::gasppa::::
LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!!!!!LOLOL
Offer a free lapdance to the dorkiest fucker in the group(if he doesnt get a hard on of course,if he does,he fuckin pays for the lapdance)
By then,after all the guys have placed bets on ifn he(the dork of the group/beta male,ALWAYS PRESENT)will pop a boner or not,and the drinks have arrived and been paid for,you should know who the banker is.
The banker is then your target(all the while,aiming still at the alpha male,dealing the "jelouse" card you be!)
The banker has bank cause he is a cheap bastid!!!!!
He WILL spend that money if he thinks it tops alpha male.
Its a man thing ladies,dont even try to understand.:)
If your a 5%er,aim for alpha.
If your not,still aim for alpha,just start at either the dork of the group,or the banker.
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^OMG, BigGreen, I LOVE THAT!!!!!
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
I think I'll come out of retirement and go work a shift somewhere, just to try that shit! :O
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Nicolina... well, there are a few but to be honest I havent been to one, the girls here are very hard faced and wear their troubles in the lines of their faces. Most places, like, teazers, ar very trashy but the one I will be working for is for upper market men, business men... government officials etc so I am hoping that it will keep its classiness...
Ask me in a few more weeks and I will let you know how it all works out... we are lucky though.. we have the sunshine and the warmth which makes people a little less obnoxious and more relaxed and generous...
I would suggest to anyone who was thinking of coming here to work to rather go to Cape town.. its full of money... hehe.
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Originally Posted by Francois
Nicolina... well, there are a few but to be honest I havent been to one, the girls here are very hard faced and wear their troubles in the lines of their faces. Most places, like, teazers, ar very trashy but the one I will be working for is for upper market men, business men... government officials etc so I am hoping that it will keep its classiness...
Ask me in a few more weeks and I will let you know how it all works out... we are lucky though.. we have the sunshine and the warmth which makes people a little less obnoxious and more relaxed and generous...
I would suggest to anyone who was thinking of coming here to work to rather go to Cape town.. its full of money... hehe.
Always approach them like a LADY and simply ask "helloo gentleman how are you tonite? My name is? (they'll introduce themselvelves, nice handshake to each one) What brings you guys over here? (what do you do? if it's business) Are you guys from down here? That should give you a while to start. Then talk about the dances and how you would like to dance for them individually. Look at them all in the eye. VERY important and smile constantly. good luck
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on alicia's note, my friends know I like to spend money. An informal visit to a sc years ago <my brother's bach party> we went to two clubs, and a girl in one approached just like alicia, but since everyone there knew I'd break myself on a service like this, kept taunting me into a dance, which was done so well it turned into 3 4 5 6 400.00 later they where laughing at my big shit eating grin.
Its good advice.
I was too outgoing, I didn't know how to say no to something so beautiful.
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Originally Posted by alicia0033
Always approach them like a LADY and simply ask "helloo gentleman how are you tonite?
Ok so I agree with this almost 100%,its just good sound advise imo on how a newbie should approach.
But them there are the 5%ers.
I knew this amazon named Joi about 10 years ago.She was at least 6.2 feet tall,blonde,big boobs.and a country girl attitude that made even the hardest biker types grovel at her feet.
She would walk up to a group of guys and ask two questions
"who has the biggest dick"
and
"who has the most money"
Talk about tossing them a curve ball!!!
Almost every time I can remember,the group always started laughing.
They would all insist THEY had the biggest dick.
Then they would all point to the guy with the most money.
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Big Green is sorta on the right track. While it's not exactly the approach I would use, he's aiming in the right direction. Your first posts in this topic BigG were a little off the mark, but this new one is a bit closer.
The challenge with most dancers is that they only target the few, rather the many. By only going to the person who has the most money, you are losing out on the stragglers who also would be spending money. By secluding them from the conversation, it's lost revenue. When I first got into seminar speaking I got some coaching on how to sell to groups more effectively by people in-the-know. My old philosophy was similar to the ones most dancers follow...target the guy with the money and get him to pay for his buddies. WOW is this the wrong way to go.
The trick is to think of five guys like five hundred and close the sale on a table of guys the same way you would by closing a sale on an auditorium. If you target only a specific amount of people, you'll make 60% of the sales that you normally would have if you talked to everyone. The reason this is true is because when you pay no attention to a section of your audience, you lose them. You lose their attention, you lose all rapport you would normally have with them, and you lose the sale. So although you might score well with the "Alpha Male", you'll lose all the sales from the guys around him. So what happened was you made $100.00 from the Alpha male, rather than making $60 from him, and $40 each from his four other friends at the table. As a result of dealing with the group instead of the Alpha male, you just more than doubled your income. Sales is math, that's all it is. So, just do the math.
Ultimately then, the best way to approach a group is identify why they are there. Event based or "guys night out" based. Once you have that established, talk to the group as a whole, not one individual. "How are you guys doing tonight?", "What brings you guys into the club tonight?", or "I hope you guys are wanting to have an awesome time tonight!" etc. By talking to one individual in the group, you'll lose interest in the two or three other guys not part of the conversation. They'll start looking around the room, they'll start eyeing other dancers, and the next thing you know, you've got another dancer intruding on your sale. Talk to the group as a group.
Now, here's the killer part. You're going to LOVE this. This is a trick I learned from THE top closer in the seminar business, Marshall Sylver. His typical closing ratio on a $1,500 item is 30% of a room. To watch him close is magical. Anyway, his technique, in part, is this. Talk to the group as a group...gain rapport with them as a group. When you are ready to close the deal, here is what you say and what you do. You say, "So, now that you guys are ready for some fun, which one of you would like to get the first set of dances, RAISE YOUR HAND!" When you say this, physically raise your hand in the air as if you were asking a question in class. Although this might look a little strange, what you are doing is making a physical motion to trigger them to do the same along with the words you are using. Out of a group of five, you'll see 3 or even 4 hands shoot straight in the air. Then you just say, "Awesome, you're first, you're second, and you're third". Wham. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.
Now, with an event based group, you do something similar but force a larger sell. Once you've identified your mark (the person the event is based around) you say, "Well, I can see Bob here is dying to have some fun, who who here is going to buy his first trip to the VIP room?" When the hands shoot up, you hold them accountable by talking to "Bob". You say to the mark, "Awesome Bob, you have some really cool friends. It looks like we're taking two trips there!" Now you just turned three or four $20.00 dances into $200.00 in the VIP room. Now, when you return, you still have rapport with that group, so start picking up the smaller sales. "Bob and I just had a blast together, didn't we Bob? Okay, who here would love to have a dance right now also, raise your hand?!" Like I said, it's like shooting fish in a barrel. Now you just make ANOTHER $100, $200, or more off of that same group. See how easy this is?
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Re: The daunting group of men
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Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
There is always alpha male.
If you watch for a sec before you approach(not always the right approach)you will have a hard time NOT seeing who is the alpha male "ring leader".
he IS the one telling the person who DOES,how to spend the money.
I don't know if this is always necessarily true though, Big Green. Typical signs of the alpha male when observing tend to be the guy who is loud, raucous, has the rest of the table's attention, etc. That doesn't necessarily mean that he's the one making the decisions.
Case in point - in your model, I would probably be the 'banker', as I'm usually packing at least 2-3 of the other guy's budgets combined. In the group that we go out with, the 'alphas' are two particular guys who happen to be a lot of the others' (but not my) bosses. When they talk, they all pay attention like good little peons. Me, I'm the quiet one sitting in the corner, not saying much. Hell, other than the fact that I'm the only one the two loud guys never give any shit to (which you wouldn't notice by looking, as it's hard to notice an omission) you'd probably even peg me as the 'dorky fucker'.
Now I wouldn't call myself an 'alpha' anything. I just don't give enough of a shit about anyone else's opinion to make the effort to have them think well of me. I am, however, the one who tends to make the decisions in the club. I have a favourite waitress, so she's the one we buy drinks from (and I make sure the cheap bastards tip her decently), if for whatever reason I decide a dancer deserves some cash (like she's a mate), I'll tell one of the others to buy a dance from her (if I don't want one myself)(hell, that's gotten to to the point where I don't even have to manipulate them anymore, it's just "Buy a dance from her, and none of this 'table dance' crap. Go out the back to VIP."). If I want to go check out the club down the street, we go (whether they really want to or not).
A dancer using either of your approaches would strike out with us (for the big money, a peon might decide he wanted a table dance). I'm gonna have to go with DW on this one, his way you hit everybody.
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What is this? Tactical Warfare? I'm frisking the next dancer for surveillance equipment.
Whenever me and my friends go out our collective I.Q. peaks at room temperature. So if we aren't all pretending to be completely gay <slured talking and sleezy hotchats> then we are probably talking about something sci-fi that would repel probably every girl on this board except MAYBE helle. Now. If you can breach the defense peremiter four decently attractive guys put up talking about Lightsaber this, and Transform that, and programing a .net app without spilling piping hot gravy all over myself, then have a seat. YOU'RE in for a wild ride. Or eyes will be cause they'll be rolling continuously.
Now we are a fun bunch of guys. And I would say I am the alphamale, only because everyone bickers on what to do until I start going in one direction and they follow. That and my backhair is all gray.
Eitherway, I know that if a girl approached us, and was still interested after the initial geek-shock, she would probably cash in on a shit ton of coin. IF SHE LISTENED TO DW. If the girl said 'Yea I've seen that, who wants to discuss Luky McSkywakka after a dance RAISE YOUR HAND, we'd all be standing.'
Pretty impressive DW. If I was a dancer, I'd be loaded.
Although I know I would make a pretty seksi chick. *Wiggles Hips*