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Help! Is averaging $250-$300 a night really that bad!!!
Hey everyone,
I have been reading a lot of post about girls talking about that making $250-300 a night is bad. I have been working in a club going on 2 months now in California. It's a topless club and our couch dances are $10 dollars. I have been averaging (with the exception of a few good nights) what other dancers consider low money.
Is this because the club I work in only charges $10 a dance? Or is it because California is a sucky state to work in? Or.........uh oh..........is it me?
Any advice would help. I am thinking of moving to a club that charges $20 a dance. However, most of those clubs are nude. Not quite ready for that yet, need some time adjusting in the topless arena.
Would you guys consider averaging $250-$300 a night for 5 hours worked bad if the club only charges $10 a dance?
Thanks!
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Re: Help! Is averaging $250-$300 a night really that bad!!!
You are prob. going to hear all kinds of answers. I say if you are happy with that amt. don't worry about what others say they are making or what others say is good or bad! If you are not happy with it try another club !
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Re: Help! Is averaging $250-$300 a night really that bad!!!
Consider the cost of living in your area... are you living within your means, putting a little bit aside for savings, and never worrying about rent? Then you're doing fine, but you might want to subscribe to DancerWealth and read the Hustle Hut carefully.
I live in Portland, and I average 100-300 a NIGHT. This is probably because I work at an all-nude tiny club (a bar, really) with only a few girls, and with that kind of environment, no one is that interested in getting a private dance. I just started working at a larger strip club, but since my hustle isn't that great yet, I didn't pull that much and haven't gotten used to so many more tip-outs. However, I'm doing fine... I can pay all my bills, it pays more than most jobs that I'm qualfied for without my BA, and I'm getting the skills and shifts needed to slowly make it up to BANK.
So, I'd advise maybe testing the waters at the $20 place. But if you're not comfy with nude, then it will show, and you might not make as much money as you would when you're as confident and sexy as you are at the topless club. Does that make sense? Maybe if you can work a couple shifts there and then maybe ease into it, if you feel like the comfort level & the money earned outweighs what you'd get at your $10 place.
Good luck!
(Hey, first post!)
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Re: Help! Is averaging $250-$300 a night really that bad!!!
I dont think its bad at all, I would prolly still be working if I could make that much during the week. Plus, you make more on the weekends anyway. 250$ for 4 days is plenty.
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Re: Help! Is averaging $250-$300 a night really that bad!!!
Oops, I meant $250 a day is good, because if you work like 4 days, its good money, specially if its weekdays.
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Re: Help! Is averaging $250-$300 a night really that bad!!!
I think most dancers would be thrilled to make that consistently.
also, you must consider what a "night" is...
To me, a "night" is something I do 6-7x a week for 5 hours a night. $250-300 isn't bad in this case.
To some, a "night" is something she does once a week for 8 hours, and if that's the case, then $250-300 isn't so great.
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Re: Help! Is averaging $250-$300 a night really that bad!!!
Hey, we make what we make.. If you do your best and don't slck off at work ie. fool aroundint he dressing room, then that money was what you were going to make.
Every club is differnet and unfortunately we can't depend on them being spectacular every night or even every year. I know of dancers that really only make 100 a night, which I tihn kis BS, but they work about five times a week, 500 a week works great for the single moms who spend the day with their kids and the night at a club.
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Re: Help! Is averaging $250-$300 a night really that bad!!!
back when I had an office job, $300 per week was good. now I make that in a night.
No complaints here.
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Re: Help! Is averaging $250-$300 a night really that bad!!!
I think it's a respectable amount- and yes, it would be tough to beat average that if you're just doing $10 dances. So I doubt it's you ;)
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Re: Help! Is averaging $250-$300 a night really that bad!!!
Emily makes a great point. I find that most girls who expect to ALWAYS make 500+ EVERY night they work, generally don't work much so they NEED to make that. It also seems they tend to work longer shifts, fewer days. For those who work full time, we tend to work more days, shorter shifts, so a lower nightly average is just peachy.
Furthermore, your HOURLY take is much more important than your NIGHTLY. If you're making a consistent $250-300 in 5 hours, that's $50-60 per hour. That's pretty good money. And if you're doing that in CA with $10 dances, I'd say you're doing pretty well. Also, it seems you're new to the biz - your income will increase as you gain more experience; summer business tends to be slower for most of us so you should also see an increase as the weather gets cooler.
Finally, as is often pointed out here: MANY, if not most, girls exaggerate about what they make. Never take to heart what some girl claims she's making, and don't EVER use that as a barometer to measure your own success. Frankly, in these times, in most cases $250-300 AVERAGE per night of just dancing is pretty damn good, for just about ANY of us. Money is just harder for strippers to make now, and it's getting worse not better.
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Re: Help! Is averaging $250-$300 a night really that bad!!!
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Originally Posted by desi
Hey everyone,
I have been reading a lot of post about girls talking about that making $250-300 a night is bad. I have been working in a club going on 2 months now in California. It's a topless club and our couch dances are $10 dollars. I have been averaging (with the exception of a few good nights) what other dancers consider low money.
Just another angle..
Your average puts you in the 50,000+ a year range,not to shabby when you consider whats out there in the real world,even with a degree.
When you say "other dancers",are you talking about here on stripperweb or the girls you work with??
Im only asking because in many area's,that would be considered a bad weekly or monthly average per day,and in some,its 50K and your not doing so bad.
If alot of girls at your club are making money(with no extras)and your average is low for the group of girls you work with,then it may be something that you need to change about your hustle.(not saying this is how you should guage your worth)
I dont mean that as an insult,but if the other girls are,and your not,im just trying to get to the root of the reason,I mean no offense.
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Or is it because California is a sucky state to work in?
::)
Im not gonna bash an entire state,and I know that there are some great clubs there,and alot of girls are making money.
I will even bow down to Vegas as the greatest concentration of great clubs,
But nothing beats the east coast IMO.
The I95 highway,from florida to new york could be renamed the T&A Highway.
If you take a map and put a thumbtack on every great club,it looks like a string of xmas lights from top to bottom.
Its just my opinion,but no other highway in the world has delivered more dancers to quality clubs then this one.
But i cant prove that.:)
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Any advice would help. I am thinking of moving to a club that charges $20 a dance. However, most of those clubs are nude. Not quite ready for that yet, need some time adjusting in the topless arena.
Just an opinion...
When you have just topsless clubs near full nude clubs,generally,the full nude club has a higher income potential.
Yes there are exceptions,but not often from what I have seen.
Men will drive an extra few miles,(most up to an hour)to see full nude as oposed to just topless.
generally most of the party groups as well.
I cant prove that either.
I know many dancers that have worked careers just doing topless,and they banked and retired well.
You have to be comfortable first,if ever at all,right now it sounds like your not ready.
Rushing this one decision to cross this line of yours demands extra attention from you and your most trusted advisors.
You have to be ok with it.
If your not,it shows and will hurt your money.
You have only been doing this 2 months,you still got the new car smell!!
Im guessing your young,
But think about this.
Your now at one level of this,and your already averaging 50 fuckin K a year!!!!
WOW
Your independent in most areas of the country.
You can stand on your own.
You aint doin so bad.
If your happy where you are working right now,my suggestion is to get your legs steady,then step up another level,
Best of luck
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Re: Help! Is averaging $250-$300 a night really that bad!!!
There's some great advice in this thread all around! Earned income in this industry is extremely relative. In NYC clubs, making double or even triple what you are making would be considered bad because the cost of living, house fees, tipouts, etc. are so damn high. Now, if you were working in the middle of Nowhere, USA, then $250.00 a night would be considered near the top of the list. Although regional areas do contribute to the cost of living factor, there is always other things to consider. In Vegas, there are some girls who are earning $1500 a night in some clubs. Ther are also dancers in the same clubs earning fractions of that. In other clubs in Vegas, dancers would be happy to walk out what you are making and would be considered high-end earners in their clubs.
So, the simple answer to your question is, there is no simple answer. There are a large variety of factors that contribute to this. Sthrngrl is right, if you are happy with this amount don't worry so much about what the others are doing. It's a lot like golf, although you ultimately are competing against others, the bottom line is, it is YOUR score that counts here, so work on your game first, and let the others worry about theirs.
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Re: Help! Is averaging $250-$300 a night really that bad!!!
Thanks everyone! I'm not going to worry about it. I am paying my bills and that is really what counts! I am seriously considering taking the dancerwealth seminar. Does anyone know if it's okay to go to the seminar by yourself, or do you usually take a friend with you?
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Re: Help! Is averaging $250-$300 a night really that bad!!!
Its fine to take the seminar by yourself. I think most girls do. I just took the teleconference a while ago, and would highly recommend it.
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Re: Help! Is averaging $250-$300 a night really that bad!!!
$250-300 is the norm where I work at........and the ones that make more have admitted to me that they do extras (bj's and hj's)
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Re: Help! Is averaging $250-$300 a night really that bad!!!
250-300 a night isn't bad, especially if it is pretty consistant. i'd say it is even GOOD if you are only working 5 hour shifts! the later i get to my club, the more i have to pay out, so i work 7-10 hour shifts and sometimes dont make more than 300.
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Re: Help! Is averaging $250-$300 a night really that bad!!!
I work in mostly 20 dance clubs, but there is one that charges 10 , i go to sometimes. Either way I am a contractor so I set my own price.
Those prices, to me, are the like the MSRP on a car. I offer 20, 40 and 60 dollar dances and ask them if they want good, better or best. 7/10 say best, then I tell the prices. If they ask what the physical difference is I tell them they will have to buy it to try it. I will do little differences, but the mind is so powerful!
I will get guys that buy all thrree and at the end are like, wow, that was wayy better for 60. It's all in the confidence and attitude. If anyone asks why are yours like that and not the other girls? I just tell them a. everybody deserves options and b. you get what you pay for. Doesn't matter what your club charges, they don't set your prices, only your starting price! Sell quality not quantity, and I am talking NO EXTRAS, your attitude is the key. You could easy double your price on most customers, you do howeve, have to feel out when and when not to do it.
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Re: Help! Is averaging $250-$300 a night really that bad!!!
I am supposing that this is the net result? That is after everybody got their slice of the "pie"?
If you work in a club where you tip-out a hundred bucks a night and you work four days a week, that's sixteen hundred bucks a month. I'd be happy to take home that much more money.
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Re: Help! Is averaging $250-$300 a night really that bad!!!
With $10 dance prices, you are doing awesome!
Clubs with $10 dances tend to attract cheap customers who want BJs. For you to bring home that much is incredible. I call it a miracle. I bet that you are a super hustler and I'm proud of you.
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Re: Help! Is averaging $250-$300 a night really that bad!!!
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Originally Posted by Bridgette
I find that most girls who expect to ALWAYS make 500+ EVERY night they work, generally don't work much so they NEED to make that. It also seems they tend to work longer shifts, fewer days. For those who work full time, we tend to work more days, so a lower nightly average is just peachy.
Finally, as is often pointed out here: MANY, if not most, girls exaggerate about what they make. Never take to heart what some girl claims she's making, and don't EVER use that as a barometer to measure your own success. Frankly, in these times, in most cases $250-300 AVERAGE per night of just dancing is pretty damn good, for just about ANY of us. Money is just harder for strippers to make now, and it's getting worse not better.
Bridgette's post is honest, with no sugar coating.
As far as clubs with $10 dances attracting a lesser clientele or guys that expect extras, usually dance prices are uniform depending on the city/part of the country you work in. In the Southwest, $10 dances are the norm most places, and dancers go from table to table with little chit chat trying to sell each guy. Therefore more guys buy dances in those clubs, and it requires less persuasion to sell them. And dances are done at the table. In those clubs the clientele of the club is not determined by the dance prices but by the appearance and ambience of the club.
I have worked with some aggressive dancers and when the clientele and money is there they do well, but they have their $50-$100 nights too when it is slow or the clientele is young and has no money.Every day/night a club will not have the same amount of customers who are willing and able to spend 3 figures on one girl, right?
Plus, there are a lot of variables that contribute to earnings that a dancer no matter how good a salesperson she is can't control. The momentum or lack of it in the club, strict ENFORCED no contact rules, extras in the club, more or as many dancers as customers, all young guys in groups, a DJ not hyping up the crowd and pushing guys to buy when he sees they are not spending, excessive vice visits, a couch dance area that isn't private enough, bouncers breathing down the customers necks when they get dances, the amount of house fees and tip outs, just to name a few things.
I will GUARANTEE you that a girl who works 5-6 days a week WILL have some $50-$150 days in their mix, some weeks more or less than others.
So you are doing well, and I hope you can maintain your average, and as you gain more experience be able to improve your selling skills so as to capitalize more on nights where there is bigger money to be made.;)
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Re: Help! Is averaging $250-$300 a night really that bad!!!
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Originally Posted by EffeZX
back when I had an office job, $300 per week was good. now I make that in a night.
No complaints here.
Effe! Great analogy. When I moved from San Francisco to LA, CA.. I was in for a shock. I went from averaging 450-600 per shift, take home, 6 hours in a bikini bar to having $250 be a great night for me in a topless bar in LA. Now my shifts are only 4-5 hours...but yeah, it is more than an office administators job. Unfortunately, the club I left up north is now closed. At least I have a supportive hubby and the occasional acting gig to supplement that.
But....it does suck:(
PS oh yeah, when I left work yesterday I did two "private dances". Our dances are out in the open. I have been doing well w/ those dances lately, since I don't hussle for them. Not that kind of envirment. Long story short. A co-dancer went behind my back and snitched saying I was getting too touchy feely. I'm off for three days. Sure it will blow over, but I'll stick to stage dancing for a while.
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Re: Help! Is averaging $250-$300 a night really that bad!!!
Wow, and that's American $'s!!! I was hoping to make 60$ to 100$ a day Canadian... maybe I should set higher goals LOL!
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Re: Help! Is averaging $250-$300 a night really that bad!!!
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Originally Posted by Lizette
With $10 dance prices, you are doing awesome!
Clubs with $10 dances tend to attract cheap customers who want BJs. For you to bring home that much is incredible. I call it a miracle. I bet that you are a super hustler and I'm proud of you.
ALso consider that you can only do so many dances an hour. I work in a $10 dance club, and I worked out that it would be pretty hard to top an average of $60 an hour, spending an average of 10 munutes w/ each custy, to sell, do the dance, say goodbye, and move on. That woudl be during a perfect night.
Instead of trying to sell MORE dances (you seem like you are working jsut as fast as you can), think of ways to get more tips out of the dances you do sell. I give a backrub as pat of my sales pitch. If they don't buy a dance, I try to hit them up to tip for the backrub instead. Many will volunteer some cash, and I actaully do have backrub regulars. (Who take half as long to work as a dance custy. Essentailly I jsut do a backrub for one song and collect my money, rather than pitch for one song and then dance for a song.)
I also upsell to a "set" of 3 dances for $25. Because the guys in my club are pretty cheap, they love the idea of getting a bargain. It is the difference between collecting $10 a piece and $25 for the same amount of selling. As long as am there, I might as well get as much money as I can, right?
Somebody suggested that I should not be discounting my dances, so I quit for a while and saw a dramatic drop in my earnings. It would depend on your club whether this would work for you.
You can also upsell by promising to take off more clothes or give a "better" second dance or set. I don't flash on the first song (th emost nudity we are allowed) because I save that for guys who buy6 multiple songs. Etc. Be creative.
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Re: Help! Is averaging $250-$300 a night really that bad!!!
Taking the price of $10 per dance. To earn $300, would require 30 dances.
10 minutes per dance. So, 10 X 30 dances = 300 minutes => 5 hours (60 minutes/hour)
Theoretically, it could be done. If you want to turn yourself into an automated
dancing machine.
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Re: Help! Is averaging $250-$300 a night really that bad!!!
In my eperience, most $10 dances rarely last over three and a half minutes. Also, I haven't ever worked anywhere where dances lasted ten minutes. I mean, they last one song, so even $20/$30 dances top out around five minutes.