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Ah... the California school system once again set's it's self up to be the laughing stock of the country and to further burden their students with proving they are not "california graduates."
Apparently now Eubonic's is a "foreign language."
SAN BERNARDINO Incorporating Ebonics into a new school policy that targets black students, the lowest-achieving group in the San Bernardino City Unified School District, may provide students a more well-rounded curriculum, said a local sociologist.
I especially like this quote:
"There are African Americans who do not agree with me. They say that (black students) are lazy and that they need to learn to talk,' Texeira said.
Three cheers to the African Americans calling bullshit on this.
California's worst enemy is it's own colleges and schools.
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verbal communication is a disease
the aliens gave it to us to divide us
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Originally Posted by princessjefflina
verbal communication is a disease
the aliens gave it to us to divide us
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That's mint.
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Originally Posted by princessjefflina
verbal communication is a disease
the aliens gave it to us to divide us
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No they didnt. They gave us Cheez Whiz and Rice A Roni as a means of behavior and mind control to make us complacent before their scheduled invasion and subsequent colonization. If you want to be a free individual, avoid those products.
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No they didnt. They gave us Cheez Whiz and Rice A Roni as a means of behavior and mind control to make us complacent before their scheduled invasion and subsequent colonization. If you want to be a free individual, avoid those products.
Add those noodles in a bag thingies to that list too.
Oh - and hamburger helper - that has GOT to be alien food.
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Wow...I really don't know what to say about this one!
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They do not tell you the Trxeira is an executive in the teachers' union.
http://www2.nea.org/he/advo00/advo0012/dialog.html
"Mary Texeira is an associate professor of sociology at California State University, San Bernardino. She is a member of the executive board of the San Bernardino chapter of the California Faculty Association, an NEA affiliate"
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There has been a long running dispute in California between the parents of hispanic children and the educational establishment over bilingual education. Many hispanic parents object to their kids being placed in "bilingual" classes. The reason is that they correctly understand the importance of their children mastering english. Many children that educators describe as "bilingual" are in fact, only semi-literate in two languages. These parents understand that and wanting the best opportunity for success for their children have even gone to court demanding that the school district teach their kids to read and write english proficiently. Now it seems the educational establishment is intent on foisting a similar dubious plan on the african-american community as well. Not just african-americans but the entire community should protest this patronizing, ill-conceived plan and demand that it be eliminated. Instead of watering down the curriculum with programs like this, the schools should be demanding more.
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Maybe I'm conservative this way, but I believe that "ebonics" should not be allowed in the classroom. That is just pandering to those lazy sloths who just want to talk in code to further isolate their culture from the mainstreram. We need no further degradation of the English language in this country. Further, we need no second language for Hispanics or others. Second language education is no problem to me as long as it is regarded as only a second language (I speak 3 myself). We have a hard enough time communicating among ourselves as it is. Education is provided to everyone, and language education should be provided free to any who cannot speak English, even adults. It's an investment in socialization and productivity.
Next thing I expect to see are Ebonics and Hispanic tax forms.
Mr. Cosby, please come help these poor people.
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i think 'ebonics' is an insult to my race. do the so called 'powers that be' think this is the only way we talk? do they think that we are all dumb asses that don't know how to speak correct english, and therefore not worthy of an education?
basically...what the fuck is this bullshit REALLY about?! i said this when 'they ' first coined this DAMN term and i still feel the same way...some 15 or more years later.
>:(
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Blah! That is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I remember years ago when something similar previously made the news, some CA schools were wanting to add "ebonics" to the curriculum. Saying it's basically another language and the kids who learn it at home need to be taught the correct english translations ::) Uhhh, why not just teach everyone proper english and be done with it??? Anywhere else, students who show poor english skills on tests are put in special development classes (ethnicity having nothing to do with it) - not patronized with some hair-brained attempt at appearing "accepting and tolerant" ::) ugh! IMO, this type of crap does more harm than good, serving to further drive home the idea that black students (and hispanic for that matter) are different from the rest, and not in a good way.
I went to a CA high school briefly in the late 80s. The "english" teacher asked me the usual what-were-you-studying-at-your-previous-school question, I replied with whatever grammar section we'd been working on, and was SHOCKED when he told me they didn't DO grammar there, only literature. I asked why and he actually told me because people thought it wasn't FAIR to those whose first language wasn't english because it might put them at a disadvantage compared to the other students. WTF??? In every other school I attended (in SEVERAL other states), immigrants were put in special english language classes until they could perform at their grade level and then moved into regular english classes with the rest of us, where we studied lit AND grammar.
Another example of the general idiocy that abounds in the land of fruits and nuts, IMO.
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Originally Posted by MsTopaz
i think 'ebonics' is an insult to my race. do the so called 'powers that be' think this is the only way we talk? do they think that we are all dumb asses that don't know how to speak correct english, and therefore not worthy of an education?...
Well, to be quite honest, yes, "they" do think that. Now, of course, if you were to ask any of the, "powers that be" if minority children are capable of doing the same work as anglo children they would reply yes. But do they really believe that? No, they don't. The proof is in these stupid programs that water down the curiculum. As Bridgette mentions, what these types of programs are saying to the kids is, "you're not as smart as the white kids, so we've come up with this watered-down crap, which is all we think you are capable of learning". And the kids know it.
The fastest growing groups in our country are minorities. Many large cities are now, "majority-minority", meaning hispanics, african-americans and other groups make up more than 50% of the population. If the U.S. is going to continue to successfully compete globally we simply cannot afford to continue to allow our minority students to get by with a second-rate education. We need well-trained minority engineers, software designers, and scientists, and we need them now. Rather than lower standards, like this program does, we should be raising them.
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Blah! That is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard... Uhhh, why not just teach everyone proper english and be done with it??? Anywhere else, students who show poor english skills on tests are put in special development classes (ethnicity having nothing to do with it) - not patronized with some hair-brained attempt at appearing "accepting and tolerant" ::) ugh!...
In every other school I attended (in SEVERAL other states), immigrants were put in special english language classes until they could perform at their grade level and then moved into regular english classes with the rest of us, where we studied lit AND grammar.
Another example of the general idiocy that abounds in the land of fruits and nuts, IMO.
Exactly! The way to teach english is to immerse kids in the language and require that the learn proper grammer and sentence structure. Not water it down with "eubonics" or "bi-lingual" education. I'd be willing to bet that world-wide the most sought after second language is English. Why? Because people in other parts of the world correctly understand that English is the world's language of business and commerce. Isn't it ironic, and sad, that while the rest of world yearns to master the english language, we are refusing to teach it to our kids?
Lastly, just because this idiocy has begun in California, don't assume it will stay in the land of fruits and nuts. I believe California has more public school students than any other state. Its size alone gives them considerable influence nationally. Also, many eduacators look at California as a example of what a "progressive" eduacation system should be. It won't be long before the people that came up with this program will be writing articles for educational journals and speaking at educator's conferences, extolling its virtues. This may very well be coming soon to a school near you.
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see that's the problem with most 'mainstream' americans. most of them will automatically think that a person of color (or more specifically - black people and hispanic people) are less intelligent. there are alot of well educated people of color in many of the fields of science (i'm one of them), and i've never come across a 'lowering of standards' when i was in school...but on the other hand i did come across dumb asses that thought i had less education than i do and were shocked to hear that i have a college degree...based soly on my skin tone...even in this day and age.
it offends me that people still think this way...then act accordingly. pisses me the fuck off, and is one of the reasons that i don't care too much for people these days (or more specifically - mainstream america).
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Originally Posted by MsTopaz
see that's the problem with most 'mainstream' americans. most of them will automatically think that a person of color (or more specifically - black people and hispanic people) are less intelligent.
IMO, in large part because of stupidity like "ebonics" and "bilingual studies" in schools. People learn these attitudes as kids, and separating students based on ethnicity goes a long way in teaching said attitudes!
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there are alot of well educated people of color in many of the fields of science (i'm one of them), and i've never come across a 'lowering of standards' when i was in school
Perhaps you were lucky - or perhaps it was simply because you didn't go to school in CA, lol! I saw it in the school I attended in CA, in the example I gave regarding english classes. They didn't have "ebonics" back then, but obviously they were already headed in that direction in fruit-nut land.
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...but on the other hand i did come across dumb asses that thought i had less education than i do and where shocked to hear that i have a college degree...based soly on my skin tone...even in this day and age.
As I said, probably in large part because of some stupidity they were taught in school.
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it offends me that people still think this way...then act accordingly.
Frankly it offends me too, albeit in a different way. I find the fact that anyone would think that instituting academic programs to teach kids differently based on their ethnicity - thereby teaching them that they're different and unequal - highly offensive to the human race in general. What's next? Reviving mandatory segregation? :O:D>:(
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Originally Posted by MsTopaz
see that's the problem with most 'mainstream' americans. most of them will automatically think that a person of color (or more specifically - black people and hispanic people) are less intelligent. there are alot of well educated people of color in many of the fields of science (i'm one of them), and i've never come across a 'lowering of standards' when i was in school...but on the other hand i did come across dumb asses that thought i had less education than i do and where shocked to hear that i have a college degree...based soly on my skin tone...even in this day and age.
it offends me that people still think this way...then act accordingly. pisses me the fuck off, and is one of the reasons that i don't care too much for people these days (or more specifically - mainstream america).
MsT; Like Bridgete said, perhaps you were lucky, your experiences seem to be the exception, not the rule in this country.
Of course, no educator would openly lower the standards for minority children. They are much more subtle than that. Now days, most high schools have a "core" curiculum that all students must pass to graduate along with a certain number of electives. The thought is that this allows the students to take courses they are interested in and that they think will better prepare them for the future. Great idea, but what is the result? If you were to visit a "white" high school and a "minority" high school in a large urban area, you would find a big difference between the number of advanced courses in math and science offered in the two. To put it simply, while the black kids are taking metal shop and art, the white kids are studying calculus and physics. This is a gross over-simplification, of course, but you get the idea. If you questioned the administration about this, they would reply that not enough minority kids sign up for the advanced math and science classes and that they are just giving them what they want. While this is sort of true, and there are a number of cultural and social reasons for this, so what? The fact is this, we need a lot more minorities in the sciences. If our current educational system isn't producing enough, change it!
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MsT; Like Bridgete said, perhaps you were lucky, your experiences seem to be the exception, not the rule in this country.
Of course, no educator would openly lower the standards for minority children. They are much more subtle than that. Now days, most high schools have a "core" curiculum that all students must pass to graduate along with a certain number of electives. The thought is that this allows the students to take courses they are interested in and that they think will better prepare them for the future. Great idea, but what is the result? If you were to visit a "white" high school and a "minority" high school in a large urban area, you would find a big difference between the number of advanced courses in math and science offered in the two. To put it simply, while the black kids are taking metal shop and art, the white kids are studying calculus and physics. This is a gross over-simplification, of course, but you get the idea. If you questioned the administration about this, they would reply that not enough minority kids sign up for the advanced math and science classes and that they are just giving them what they want. While this is sort of true, and there are a number of cultural and social reasons for this, so what? The fact is this, we need a lot more minorities in the sciences. If our current educational system isn't producing enough, change it!
as far as i'm concerned there are no cultural reasons for why someone chooses one set of classes over another set (or one field over another). that's just something that the world of acadamia (and other researchers) came up with to justify their numbers, and their actions. and i don't think that i'm the exception to some god awful 'rule' that has infected this country since...well...forever it seems. a 'rule' that goes beyond the educational world...yet we are 'a country that embraces differences', and most of you already know what i think about that statement.
i will admit that i did come across more than a few dumb asses while in high school and college. all i have to say to that is i'm glad i didn't take their so called 'advice' as truth.
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Missing the point Topaz. Exception to the rule meaning if you didn't feel/see any lowering of educational standards by the administrators in school because of your ethnicity, you were probably one of the fortunate ones, because that doesn't seem to be the trend these days. Meaning your EXPERIENCE was probably unique, not that YOU are an exception to any rule.
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as far as i'm concerned there are no cultural reasons for why someone chooses one set of classes over another set (or one field over another). that's just something that the world of acadamia (and other researchers) came up with to justify their numbers, and their actions. and i don't think that i'm the exception to some god awful 'rule' that has infected this country since...well...forever it seems. a 'rule' that goes beyond the educational world...yet we are 'a country that embraces differences', and most of you already know what i think about that statement...
Okay, first let me say that yes, as a white woman, I do feel a little funny disagreeing with an african-american on this subject. However, researchers have studied this and I wanted to share what I've heard about the subject.
When it comes to determining what areas of study and careers students will pursue, one cannot overlook the importance of role models, both positive and negative. Put simply, kids tend to be attracted to careers that they have had some exposure to. A minority kid that growing up only comes in contact with minorities in low-paying, low-skilled jobs, is not likely to think a college degree and a white collar job is for him. It's not that he is dumber than white kids, its just that without that exposure, he doesn't set his goals as high as he should or think those goals are achievable. Yes, there are exceptions to this, but they are just that, exceptions. The negative is also true. In many minority neighborhoods, a large percentage of the male population is either in prison, or has been in prison. This absence of positive male role models and a prevalence of negative male role models is an important factor in student's achievements. The situation is even worse for female minority students. There are few women role models in the sciences to begin with and there are even fewer women minority role models there.
Another cultural factor is the parent's education. The fact is, children of college educated parents are far more likely to go to college than children of parents with no or little college education. Since minorities tend to graduate from college at a lower rate than whites, this element cannot be overlooked.
Perhaps you are right. Perhaps researchers invented this stuff to justify their numbers. I can't convince you otherwise, but my own personal experiences lead me to believe this and other factors are very important.
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myself, my sister, and many of my friends are only a few examples that i personally know of that refute this crap...and that's just in my generation. there are many who have done so before me, there are many who do so now, and there will be many who will do so in the future if they don't read stuff like this and take it for truth.
that's been my experience...these so called researchers are cluless...among other things.
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myself, my sister, and many of my friends are only a few examples that i personally know of that refute this crap...
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data". That is why researchers need hundreds, preferably thousands, of test cases before their conclusions are given weight.
Not that I'm saying anything (certainly not until I've seen that research myself). Only pointing out that if researchers can list thousands then that trumps "you, your sisters and many of your friends", meritoriously speaking.
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The plural of "anecdote" is not "data". That is why researchers need hundreds, preferably thousands, of test cases before their conclusions are given weight.
Not that I'm saying anything (certainly not until I've seen that research myself). Only pointing out that if researchers can list thousands then that trumps "you, your sisters and many of your friends", meritoriously speaking.
if you're going to quote someone then quote them entirely. i also mentioned generations of people that have proved this shit wrong before AND after me which, i would think, accounts for hundreds of people...if not thousands.
some of these same 'experts' have also said in the 70's that black people have smaller brains and therefore are less intelligent. so just because a 'scientist' said this that makes it correct?! WRONG!
let's face it...the 'experts' have gone out of their way to cast a negative light on an entire race of people for decades, and they will continue to do so. and as always, mainstream america goes along with it because the psycologist, doctor, scientist, and high ranking educator says it's so.
just because someone comes up with 'facts' in an artical doesn't make it thruth. what ever happened to 'believe none of what you hear and half of what you read (i would say none of what you read)'? or does that not hold true for researchers and PHD holders.
it's easy to go along with something when your race isn't the one that's always being targeted (or atleast it seems that way).
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For those interested in the myth of the Black-White Testing Gap, The Brookings Institute wrote an excellent book on the subject, perhaps the defining study on the matter to date. You can read it online for free, and it's very insightful. It shatters a great many myths about how and why educational gaps in this country exist between racial and socio-economic groups. If you care at all about the subject, it's worth perusing.
One other place that will be of interest to people here is a position paper on Upstream Intelligence. Some people won't like what it has to say, but the credentials of the researchers are broad and respected.
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as far as i'm concerned there are no cultural reasons for why someone chooses one set of classes over another set (or one field over another). that's just something that the world of acadamia (and other researchers) came up with to justify their numbers, and their actions.
Could not disagree more. Socio-economic conditions locally have a massive impact on both curriculum and student/parent attitudes toward that curriculum. Go to a wealthy community, where the bulk of students--irrespective of race--are either in high-end public schools or private schools. Look at their curriculum; it's all college prep from beginning to end. Now spend some time looking at poverty-stricken communities and their core education requirements--there's a significant gap. I know--I was in a school in that latter category.
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Many hispanic parents object to their kids being placed in "bilingual" classes. The reason is that they correctly understand the importance of their children mastering english. Many children that educators describe as "bilingual" are in fact, only semi-literate in two languages. These parents understand that and wanting the best opportunity for success for their children have even gone to court demanding that the school district teach their kids to read and write english proficiently.
Exactly.
Enabling immigrant and minority communities to self-subjugate themselves via quasi-educational initiatives like Ebonics is not only entirely counterproductive but attempts to legitimize the very obstacles to social mobility and class migration these groups already face. All too frequently, white liberals suffering misplaced guilt seek to make excuses for negative trends in lower socio-economic communities and among minorities more generally, and through these excuses these well-intentioned liberals handicap and stigmatize their target groups. Essentially, myopic, feel-good programs like Ebonics do nothing more than popularize and promulgate negative stereotypes and misnomers; "Those poor, stupid niggers can't speak English anyway, so why should we actually try to help them learn how to speak, read, write and comprehend English? Let's embrace diversity and let them continue to flounder educationally, since they'll never actually integrate fully into our society as productive members..."
If you don't place any expectations on students--any students--they won't perform because you haven't asked them to do anything outside their comfort zone.
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I dont know about innate intelligence, genetically speaking, for blacks. I attribute what I see in the inner city to cultural isolation.
I grew up with some black people around and a normal percentage of them were intelligent and responsible, even as kids. I have worked with black people in a professional capacity and I feel they are just as competent as any opther groups of professionals.
Unfortunately the preponderance of ghetto blacks are, seem..., well I can't really tell because of this language and cultural thing. Further, crime and drug dealing/usage seem to have crept in and made all of that far worse.
I believe this is what the average non-black person sees and believes is frequent enough to assume it to be the norm, the stereotype. I know this is unfair and works against helping that community, but isn't it up to the community to "want" to be part of the remainder of society so that they can better participate in its benefits?
Has anyone heard Bill Cosby try to get this type of discussion going?
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Marva Collins article
It's a pity she didn't accept the superintendent position of the Los Angeles County schools. This crap wouldn't have had a chance of being adopted from square one if she had been the superintendent!
PhaedrusZ
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Topaz, once again, you are taking what we're saying waaaaaay wrong and twisting it to something totally different. NOWHERE in this thread have we said any race is less intelligent or capable than any other. We're SAYING this type of academic separation is BOGUS and STUPID.