Re: Yo yo Iz be'z no unedukated foolz!
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Originally Posted by MsTopaz
if you're going to quote someone then quote them entirely. i also mentioned generations of people that have proved this shit wrong before AND after me which, i would think, accounts for hundreds of people...if not thousands.
Hypotheticals are what you mentioned. "May" and "haven't seen it myself but I'm sure such people exist" do not make facts. You're touting that I should not believe the statistically sound facts a researcher may or may not come up with if you personally don't like them, but that I should believe your hypotheticals despite their complete lack of scientific basis.
That is what is known as "ridiculous". It's also the same logic process as to why Jim Bob Billy Boy doesn't believe black people have brains as big as everyone else (read: himself) because "his Pappy and all his buddies know all sorts of 'em and none of them wuz smart at all. Never wuz and never will be."
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it's easy to go along with something when your race isn't the one that's always being targeted (or atleast it seems that way)
What Bridgette said. Wordy McWordyPants from the Clan of Ditto.
Re: Yo yo Iz be'z no unedukated foolz!
I have avoided posting in this thread up to now because of the obvious potential for racism accusations. However, posters have raised an issue in a roundabout way which IMHO needs to be spelled out a bit more - on the subject of role models. It is in this area where the 'politics of the poor' clashes head-on with daily news reports. In other words, when Condi Rice, Clarence Thomas, Janice Rogers Brown etc. appear in news reports and could serve as obvious role models, those who promote the 'politics of the poor' are the first ones to tear them down.
Re: Yo yo Iz be'z no unedukated foolz!
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Originally Posted by Casual Observer
...Could not disagree more. Socio-economic conditions locally have a massive impact on both curriculum and student/parent attitudes toward that curriculum. Go to a wealthy community, where the bulk of students--irrespective of race--are either in high-end public schools or private schools. Look at their curriculum; it's all college prep from beginning to end. Now spend some time looking at poverty-stricken communities and their core education requirements--there's a significant gap. I know--I was in a school in that latter category...
This is exactly right. Years ago, amid allegations that standardized tests were biased against minorities, the people that prepare the SAT did a massive study of the students taking the test. When factoring in socio-economic levels, they found no difference between blacks and whites in average test scores. What they did find, was that the most important factor in predicting a student's performance was the socio-economic status of the student's family. Simply stated, the higher the socio-economic status of the family, the more likely the student will attend a quality school, public or private, and the more likely the studen will take the type of college preparatory classes needed to do well on the SAT.